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 Posted:   Jun 12, 2014 - 11:06 AM   
 By:   mik91   (Member)

In 2010 varese make a release of a bos-set of north's music for spartacus

It was very good thing

I'm just interesting:

Any chance to have identifical release for north's cleopatra ?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 12, 2014 - 11:37 AM   
 By:   waxmanman35   (Member)

Varese released a two CD set of the score a few years ago. http://www.varesesarabande.com/servlet/the-503/Cleopatra/Detail

 
 Posted:   Jun 12, 2014 - 11:40 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

And both Cleopatra and Spartacus seem to be taking an awful long time in feeding the 5000!

Edit: At Varese, Cleopatra is being announced as being out of stock. What does that mean?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 12, 2014 - 12:03 PM   
 By:   CinemaScope   (Member)

I'm sure Spartacus fans wish that Spartacus had gotten the Cleopatra treatment, the whole score in great sounding stereo, & at an affordable price.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 12, 2014 - 3:38 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

I'm sure Spartacus fans wish that Spartacus had gotten the Cleopatra treatment, the whole score in great sounding stereo, & at an affordable price.

EXACTLY. That Spartacus set is a ridiculous, bloated waste of money and space.

 
 Posted:   Jun 12, 2014 - 5:45 PM   
 By:   Peter Greenhill   (Member)

Townson has a right to release Spatacus how he chooses but I'll pass. I'm not paying all that money for features I have no interest in.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 12, 2014 - 6:24 PM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)

Price has come down about $20 but whether it's shifting many more units is doubtful. I'd suggest the price will have to drop to about $50.

Frankly, I'm not sure what caused Varese to think they could sell 5000 units of a set with the complete score in mono coupled with numerous extras no one ever asked for. Most people wouldn't be interested in much more than Disc 1--all surviving stereo tracks. True enthusiasts would of course play the complete mono score, but with the thought in the back of their minds perhaps that it was no substitute for the glorious stereo sound heard in the cinema. Personally I was prepared to give the mono tracks a fair go, but I found them variable at best, reflecting the different sources they were derived from. And let's face it, once you've heard the strands of this sometimes dense, complex music properly delineated in stereo, can you ever really be satisfied with mono?

 
 Posted:   Jun 13, 2014 - 2:13 AM   
 By:   Ag^Janus   (Member)

Price has come down about $20 but whether it's shifting many more units is doubtful. I'd suggest the price will have to drop to about $50.

Frankly, I'm not sure what caused Varese to think they could sell 5000 units of a set with the complete score in mono coupled with numerous extras no one ever asked for. Most people wouldn't be interested in much more than Disc 1--all surviving stereo tracks. True enthusiasts would of course play the complete mono score, but with the thought in the back of their minds perhaps that it was no substitute for the glorious stereo sound heard in the cinema. Personally I was prepared to give the mono tracks a fair go, but I found them variable at best, reflecting the different sources they were derived from. And let's face it, once you've heard the strands of this sometimes dense, complex music properly delineated in stereo, can you ever really be satisfied with mono?


The stereo tracks are ear rasping brittle. Vinyl may be the best medium for this recording.

 
 Posted:   Jun 13, 2014 - 2:15 AM   
 By:   Ag^Janus   (Member)

A new tech process and polish of Cleopatra could fix all the audible anomalies.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 13, 2014 - 2:57 AM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)

Price has come down about $20 but whether it's shifting many more units is doubtful. I'd suggest the price will have to drop to about $50.

Frankly, I'm not sure what caused Varese to think they could sell 5000 units of a set with the complete score in mono coupled with numerous extras no one ever asked for. Most people wouldn't be interested in much more than Disc 1--all surviving stereo tracks. True enthusiasts would of course play the complete mono score, but with the thought in the back of their minds perhaps that it was no substitute for the glorious stereo sound heard in the cinema. Personally I was prepared to give the mono tracks a fair go, but I found them variable at best, reflecting the different sources they were derived from. And let's face it, once you've heard the strands of this sometimes dense, complex music properly delineated in stereo, can you ever really be satisfied with mono?


The stereo tracks are ear rasping brittle. Vinyl may be the best medium for this recording.


Really? I didn't find them so. Certainly they're 60's stereo, not 2014 stereo, but 'ear rasping brittle'? That was more how I'd decribe some of the mono tracks.

And please don't mention vinyl. Just when I thought that nightmare was over back-to-the-future people keep trying to breathe new life into the corpse.



 
 Posted:   Jun 13, 2014 - 3:12 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

And please don't mention vinyl. Just when I thought that nightmare was over back-to-the-future people keep trying to breathe new life into the corpse.

The forces of nature work in mysterious ways to maintain corpses that can be puppeted enticingly.

If I had the money to buy the Spartacus box I would, but I don't. Townson was not wrong to create the box set. It enshrines something for which we should all have an equal amount of respect. That is all he was doing IMO. There is nothing inherently wrong in making something with added value by virtue of the sum of it's parts. Just look at the stupid money people pay for single items.

The Cleopatra CD is still being advertised as out of stock. What's that all about?

 
 Posted:   Jun 13, 2014 - 3:23 AM   
 By:   chriskepolis   (Member)

The Cleopatra CD is still being advertised as out of stock. What's that all about?

Probably pending a new duplication, as it still listed as available at the German counterpart Colosseum.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 13, 2014 - 4:14 AM   
 By:   CinemaScope   (Member)


The Cleopatra CD is still being advertised as out of stock. What's that all about?


Amazon & other retailers have loads, I probably wouldn't buy it from Varese anyway.

I can buy it new from Amazon UK Marketplace for £11.15 delivered, not bad for a two-disc set. It's a favourite of mine, I'm sure there's a fanfare & a couple of short cues missing, I don't care, I think it sounds great, & two CD's are more than enough for me.

 
 Posted:   Jun 13, 2014 - 6:25 AM   
 By:   Ag^Janus   (Member)

Price has come down about $20 but whether it's shifting many more units is doubtful. I'd suggest the price will have to drop to about $50.

Frankly, I'm not sure what caused Varese to think they could sell 5000 units of a set with the complete score in mono coupled with numerous extras no one ever asked for. Most people wouldn't be interested in much more than Disc 1--all surviving stereo tracks. True enthusiasts would of course play the complete mono score, but with the thought in the back of their minds perhaps that it was no substitute for the glorious stereo sound heard in the cinema. Personally I was prepared to give the mono tracks a fair go, but I found them variable at best, reflecting the different sources they were derived from. And let's face it, once you've heard the strands of this sometimes dense, complex music properly delineated in stereo, can you ever really be satisfied with mono?


The stereo tracks are ear rasping brittle. Vinyl may be the best medium for this recording.


Really? I didn't find them so. Certainly they're 60's stereo, not 2014 stereo, but 'ear rasping brittle'? That was more how I'd decribe some of the mono tracks.

And please don't mention vinyl. Just when I thought that nightmare was over back-to-the-future people keep trying to breathe new life into the corpse.


Sorry pp the vinyl nightmare goes on. big grin It can provide a more musical experience that digital has much more difficulty obtaining. Not fidelity mind you. I do find the Spartacus recordings (Varesé) harsh to the ear. It is the recording. Many 60's even 50's recordings are far more easy on the ear. Cleopatra does not suffer nearly as much as Spartacus in this regard. Nevertheless I enjoy North enough to listen to anything no matter the agony.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 13, 2014 - 10:40 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)


Sorry pp the vinyl nightmare goes on. big grin It can provide a more musical experience that digital has much more difficulty obtaining. Not fidelity mind you. I do find the Spartacus recordings (Varesé) harsh to the ear. It is the recording. Many 60's even 50's recordings are far more easy on the ear. Cleopatra does not suffer nearly as much as Spartacus in this regard. Nevertheless I enjoy North enough to listen to anything no matter the agony.


There is a contingent on this board that believes a CD by default is always better than vinyl. They apparently do not think or care about such factors as tape deterioration or crappy mastering. Sure, vinyl has its drawbacks, but so do CDs. My Cleopatra LP sounds way better than the 2-CD set.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 13, 2014 - 11:03 AM   
 By:   panphoto   (Member)

I bought the bloated Varese set because at the time I had the cash. The booklet is terrific and it is good to have what remains of the score. However, have I am in agreement with much of the comment here - it was a largely misconceived project and in my view, anyone who doesn't think that great film composition is a 'parade that has gone by', should listen to the 2 CD's worth of 'Love theme and variations'. Non of the compositions on offer here bring any credit to their composers in my lowly opinion.
But on to Cleopatra, I was fortunate enough to hear the LPO last year under John Mauceri performing North's 'Cleopatra Symphony', surely North's masterpiece. It must have been a real headache to produce this performance but there was a level of commitment on display that was truly impressive. The slow chromatic unweaving of the assassination sequence had me quite breathless! If Varese really are committed to Alex North's music, here's a suggestion, coupling the symphony with a re-recording of Agony and Ecstasy.

 
 Posted:   Jun 13, 2014 - 11:34 AM   
 By:   ToneRow   (Member)

The slow chromatic unweaving of the assassination sequence had me quite breathless!

I agree.

OnyaBirri, though, does not care about the stabbing of Caesar and prefers sensuous female pulchritude and exotica (i.e. Paul Horn's version of CLEOPATRA). wink

 
 Posted:   Jun 13, 2014 - 1:35 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

The Sea Battle (Actium) is something you wouldn't forget in a hurry. I don't think I've heard anything comparable. The bowed strings and unusual percussion rhythms really do single it out.

Always liked Requiem, too. Much as it repeats, the image of the burning furniture pyramid and Burton's barely audible rambling with darting, swishing sword makes for a striking scene. It's one of the better moments in the movie.

I've only just realised the tail end of Moon Gate appears to have peripheral trumpets sounding in the film that aren't on the CD soundtrack. A cut to Rufio approaching Alexandria with Mithradates' reinforcements is where this overlap cue is established. Anyone know what happened there?

 
 Posted:   Jun 13, 2014 - 4:05 PM   
 By:   Ag^Janus   (Member)

Is it the the throne room music that uses the dinner bells? Much as the orchestral is magnificent, I like this idea, superb atmosphere.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2014 - 2:28 AM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)


Sorry pp the vinyl nightmare goes on. big grin It can provide a more musical experience that digital has much more difficulty obtaining. Not fidelity mind you. I do find the Spartacus recordings (Varesé) harsh to the ear. It is the recording. Many 60's even 50's recordings are far more easy on the ear. Cleopatra does not suffer nearly as much as Spartacus in this regard. Nevertheless I enjoy North enough to listen to anything no matter the agony.


There is a contingent on this board that believes a CD by default is always better than vinyl. They apparently do not think or care about such factors as tape deterioration or crappy mastering. Sure, vinyl has its drawbacks, but so do CDs. My Cleopatra LP sounds way better than the 2-CD set.


Hang on, that's not the same recording, is it? Isn't the LP a re-recording? In any case you can't make those sorts of comparisons even if it were originally the same recording. There's no way of knowing the separate history of the master tapes, nor what kind of mastering has been performed.

The fact is, and this can be proved by measurement, given equal competence in the mastering process CD is always going to be more accurate to the original recording than vinyl. That's not to say you shouldn't prefer the vinyl, simply that it will always be less accurate due to its inherent distortions (and they are legion). To be honest, I'm constantly astonished at the number of people who wish to preserve a medium so rife with mechanical limitations. I can still hardly believe it lasted so long, and now it comes wafting back like the ghost of Christmas Past, to the sound of hosannas sung by people who, dare I say it, may need to upgrade their equipment if they seriously believe vinyl is superior.

Sorry if I've offended any vinyl enthusiasts, but I really wasn't kidding when I used the word 'nightmare' before.

 
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