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 Posted:   Apr 5, 2004 - 10:52 AM   
 By:   Peter Farb   (Member)

Hi

I want to ask :
Was there (or will be) a complete soundtrack of BASIL POLEDOURIS "THE HUNT FOR RED OCTOBER"? I know only the 30 minutes long version and that is in my opinion to short.

Thanks for an answer.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 5, 2004 - 11:02 AM   
 By:   ESB   (Member)

Hi

I want to ask :
Was there (or will be) a complete soundtrack of BASIL POLEDOURIS "THE HUNT FOR RED OCTOBER"? I know only the 30 minutes long version and that is in my opinion to short.

Thanks for an answer.


There is CD-R of the complete score but it has an awful sound quality.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 5, 2004 - 11:03 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

But was there really a lot of worthwhile material left off the album (beyond non-descript suspense tracks like those at the end of the soundtrack)? It's been a long time since I've seen the film, so I can't remember.

 
 Posted:   Apr 5, 2004 - 11:26 AM   
 By:   Stefancos   (Member)

But was there really a lot of worthwhile material left off the album (beyond non-descript suspense tracks like those at the end of the soundtrack)? It's been a long time since I've seen the film, so I can't remember.

Bla...bla...bla....(usual Thor rant against expanded scores)...blah...blah...blah....

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 5, 2004 - 10:18 PM   
 By:   BJN   (Member)


But was there really a lot of worthwhile material left off the album (beyond non-descript suspense tracks like those at the end of the soundtrack)?


There was. Quite a lot.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2004 - 8:52 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Well, OK, so there was some worthwhile music left off. I still say the original album flows nicely, though, and is - in my opinion - more or less perfect.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2004 - 8:54 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Bla...bla...bla....(usual Thor rant against expanded scores)...blah...blah...blah....

Actually, this time it was just a genuine question. But I'll NEVER stop "ranting" about it. It is my mission in life. I am the Gandhi of abbreviated and re-arranged soundtracks. big grin

 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2004 - 9:40 AM   
 By:   Stefancos   (Member)

They killed Ghandi...you know.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2004 - 11:13 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I know. But I'm willing to go there for this monumental cause.

 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2004 - 12:11 PM   
 By:   Stefancos   (Member)

I know. But I'm willing to go there for this monumental cause.

Why be so vocal over something like this?
You don't NEED to buy any expanded scores.
If you are perfectly happy with 30 minute releases then that's great for you.

But why critisize all these wonderfull expanded re-releases that thousands of other fans (NOT YOU) have been waiting for for years?

You've never been able to satisfactory explain this, IMO.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2004 - 12:15 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Why be so vocal over something like this?
You don't NEED to buy any expanded scores.
If you are perfectly happy with 30 minute releases then that's great for you.


There are many things I don't need to buy, personally. But that shouldn't prevent me from having an opinion on the principles/production values surrounding these things. If I think the principle of expanded and chronological releases HARMS film music as a listening experience and as MUSIC (which I do), then that is certainly something I should be vocal about.

 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2004 - 12:21 PM   
 By:   SoundScope   (Member)

I agree with Thor, at least sometimes. There are many a score/soundtrack album that I own that is just right and a damned enjoyable listen. Then the new, full, complete, every last minute version comes out and, in most cases, I buy it and enjoy it for its intrinsic value. Are they an easy listen? Most often, no. Are they important to have? Yes. Which do I really prefer? Usually the original if only because the main themes, which are favorities, are more easily accessable.

My best example? As much as I LOVE Jerry Goldsmith, and speciffically THE SAND PEBBLES, I find the new complete CD a challange to listen to. But I'm glad it's there, and I LOVE the fact that they did it.

Moral? Who knows? IT'S ALL SUBJECTIVE! smile

 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2004 - 1:54 PM   
 By:   MWRuger   (Member)

Stefancos,

Why does it bother you so much that Thor has this opinion or voices it? Certainly, he’s entitled to his opinion and to voice it. What’s the problem?

In general I do agree with him that short albums can be better. I have both versions of Jaws and I usually listen to the shorter version for exactly the reasons that Thor mentions. I have the expanded version of Hunt for Red October and there actually are some nice cues missing from the shorter version, but I still play the shorter version more often.

I think people should be able to choose from both sides of this argument. In general I prefer shorter albums because my time to listen is limited and a complete score that spans two CDs is a significant investment of time. In the 2 plus hours I spend listening to something like First Contact or the Mummy expanded, I could have heard 3 or 4 shorter scores that I like just as well. You can guess which I usually pick.

At the same time, I certainly understand the urge to have it all. After all, I do own plenty of two (or more) CD Scores. On the occasion when I want explore a score in totality or just OD on a particular score, it’s nice to be able to pop in a Complete Mummy and listen to how each cue is constructed. But this is a much rarer event. I guess for those with only a few hundred score CD’s this isn’t a problem.

One area where Thor and I do agree is on that of programmable CD players. People often counter the argument of shorter albums by pointing out that you can just program out all the cues you don’t want. Programming out all the cues I don’t want does not result in nicely arranged, thematic suites. For example, there is no way that I can use my Complete Jaws CD to delete cues to get back to the original album.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2004 - 2:03 PM   
 By:   amatalqa   (Member)

I don't need complete soundtracks either. Who has time to listen to an entire 70 minutes of music for every soundtrack? However, Red October is only 25 or so minutes long. That's insane! One of the best scores of the 90's, and it's only 25 minutes long on CD??? Yes it flows nicely, but that's because some tracks are mixed together. They could do that for a longer version. I hope Varese comes into this picture and gives us a 50 or 60 minute Red October. I have the extended album, but the choppiness and poor sound quality/loud hiss makes it very unlistenable.

 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2004 - 2:05 PM   
 By:   Stefancos   (Member)

Thor's opinion does not bother me that much.

He's been voicing it for years and so far it has not stopped the flood of expanded scores that have been coming out since the early 90's.

Let Thor scream into the wind...

I'll give the complete score for Damien: Omen II another spin.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 7, 2004 - 8:01 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Let Thor scream into the wind...

THAAAAAAAR SHE BLOWS!!!!

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 7, 2004 - 3:56 PM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

I may not always agree with Thor, but I'll fight to the death for his right to have an incorrect opinion big grin

Chris

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 7, 2004 - 7:14 PM   
 By:   Richard May   (Member)

I don't need complete soundtracks either. Who has time to listen to an entire 70 minutes of music for every soundtrack? However, Red October is only 25 or so minutes long. That's insane! One of the best scores of the 90's, and it's only 25 minutes long on CD???

If I remember correctly, when the movie came out there wasn't going to be a CD release at all. Then the movie got REALLY big at the box office and MCA put together enough cash to release the short, though excellent album we've all got. We were lucky to get 25 minutes I reckon!

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 7, 2004 - 11:40 PM   
 By:   Joe E.   (Member)

We were lucky to get 25 minutes I reckon!

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I don't need complete soundtracks either. Who has time to listen to an entire 70 minutes of music for every soundtrack? However, Red October is only 25 or so minutes long. That's insane! One of the best scores of the 90's, and it's only 25 minutes long on CD???

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Actually, it's not; it's 30 minutes - about 30:08, to be precise. I know it's short, but it's not as short as you make it out to be.

I've told you people a million times not to exaggerate. wink

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 9, 2004 - 11:29 AM   
 By:   Peter Farb   (Member)

Thanks for the response.
I am happy you like the soundtrack too. Surely one of the best by Basil Poledouris. Thanks.

 
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