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 Posted:   Oct 16, 2008 - 9:51 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Well, I'm at it again. This time, it's Randy Newman's rejected score for Air Force One.

I've synced it back up to the film and it works great.

Check it out:



Kill Korsh:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x13s2lv_kill-korsh-randy-newman_creation





more to come soon....

 
 Posted:   Oct 16, 2008 - 9:56 PM   
 By:   Trent B.   (Member)

I can see why Newman's score was rejected. It did not fit the seriousness of the film. To tell you the truth, I have never really cared for Newman's score. I prefer the Goldsmith/McNeely version a whole heck of a lot more.

Anyways good job on syncing this up.

 
 Posted:   Oct 16, 2008 - 9:59 PM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

The rejection of his score must have really pissed him off. I have that unmentionable and it's really not that bad.

Is it time for me to go to hell yet?

 
 Posted:   Oct 16, 2008 - 10:02 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Don't get me wrong, I love Jerry's score. Just curious how Newman's worked against the picture.
The next scene I'm working on (Don't Touch That) is I think the one that must have got him fired. It's waaaay too patriotic. Goldsmith was able to bring it back down to earth.

 
 Posted:   Oct 16, 2008 - 11:21 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

I can see why Newman's score was rejected. It did not fit the seriousness of the film.

From the scene provided so far, it certainly sounds serious!

I was working on a project that Randy Newman had a brief role in while he was scoring "Air Force One." (He was supposed to participate more, but "AFO" was keeping him swamped.) I didn't speak with him, other than to say a vague "Hi," but I sat just behind him as he complained about "AIr Force One." He said they were micro-managing him and driving him crazy. At one point, the filmmakers suddenly suggested a Morricone-like sound out of the blue, then considered seeing if Morricone could co-write the score! (This is directly from Newman's mouth!) He said, logically, "I don't know why they hired me if they don't want me to write my music!"

And a week or so later, he was fired.

 
 Posted:   Oct 17, 2008 - 12:17 AM   
 By:   calvin69   (Member)

It's waaaay too patriotic. Goldsmith was able to bring it back down to earth.

How can music for THIS film be TOO patriotic ?

 
 Posted:   Oct 17, 2008 - 12:31 AM   
 By:   Ratatouille   (Member)

Well... he reused some parts of his rejected score in BUG'S LIFE...

 
 Posted:   Oct 17, 2008 - 2:05 AM   
 By:   scorechaser   (Member)

There is no music or sound when I play it.

 
 Posted:   Oct 17, 2008 - 4:50 AM   
 By:   Jehannum   (Member)

There is no music or sound when I play it.

Did you turn your speakers on?

 
 Posted:   Oct 17, 2008 - 4:51 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

I can see why Newman's score was rejected. It did not fit the seriousness of the film.

This may be the first time I've ever heard anyone call Air Force One "serious".

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 17, 2008 - 10:41 AM   
 By:   Michael24   (Member)

Newman's score is interesting. (Is this the first--and only?--full on action score he's ever written?) But I prefer Goldsmith's. It's theme is more rousing, and the overall score just seems more . . . "focused." Newman's seemed to have a bit too much "Mickey Mousing" and didn't really seem to take much of the film serious.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 17, 2008 - 11:29 AM   
 By:   ahem   (Member)

I can see why Newman's score was rejected. It did not fit the seriousness of the film.

From the scene provided so far, it certainly sounds serious!

I was working on a project that Randy Newman had a brief role in while he was scoring "Air Force One." (He was supposed to participate more, but "AFO" was keeping him swamped.) I didn't speak with him, other than to say a vague "Hi," but I sat just behind him as he complained about "AIr Force One." He said they were micro-managing him and driving him crazy. At one point, the filmmakers suddenly suggested a Morricone-like sound out of the blue, then considered seeing if Morricone could co-write the score! (This is directly from Newman's mouth!) He said, logically, "I don't know why they hired me if they don't want me to write my music!"

And a week or so later, he was fired.


In fairness though, fairplay to them for having the imagination to let someone so alien to the action genre score AFO. That kind of bravery is unrelatable today. A "Morricone" sound as well! That was only 1997 too. It seems like forever since the time before the studios only want everything to sound like THE ROCK. I'm sure if they made AFO one now even it would be one of the Remote Control bunch from start to finish (or the initial composer to be fired would be someone with a hit action movie track record).

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 17, 2008 - 11:43 AM   
 By:   Rnelson   (Member)

Wolfgang Peterson has gone against "type" at least a couple of time with his composers - AFO being one and the infamous Troy being another - and both ended up in disappointment for the respective composers.

Hey Mutant. Just cut to the chase and put up the hijacking sequence next.

 
 Posted:   Oct 17, 2008 - 8:13 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

His "Aborted Landing" cue is one of the most exciting pieces of orchestral film music from the last 15 years. It's not a good fit for the film, but it's exceptional nonetheless.

 
 Posted:   Oct 18, 2008 - 12:20 AM   
 By:   scorechaser   (Member)

There is no music or sound when I play it.

Did you turn your speakers on?


I´m not that stupid... wink

Now it works!

 
 Posted:   Oct 18, 2008 - 9:10 AM   
 By:   Trent B.   (Member)

I can see why Newman's score was rejected. It did not fit the seriousness of the film.

This may be the first time I've ever heard anyone call Air Force One "serious".


hehe..well it's got a lot of serious tone to it at least I think it does when ever I watch the film.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2008 - 8:57 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I think Goldsmith's score was TEN TIMES more patriotic than the Newman clip provided. But that was kinda the point with this film - EVERYTHING about it goes overboard (no pun intended), especially in the patriotism department, and Goldsmith's score is what REALLY takes it over the edge. It's not necessarily a good thing, and it doesn't make the film any better, but at least it's ENTERTAINING. No one can take that away from it.

 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2008 - 9:21 AM   
 By:   spielboy   (Member)

it was a serious approach in a ridiculous way.

I remember it like a comedy, really, so Newman should have put in his western-cartooon style and probably that would have fit much better.

the plane crashing at the end was a cartoon, right? smile

 
 Posted:   Oct 20, 2008 - 9:18 AM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)



Hey Mutant. Just cut to the chase and put up the hijacking sequence next.


Ask and you shall receive...

Here is "The Hijacking"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGh58z4r688

 
 Posted:   Oct 20, 2008 - 9:48 AM   
 By:   Neil S. Bulk   (Member)

Wow, that was really terrible. The film makers made the right decision.

Neil

 
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