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 Posted:   Mar 31, 2009 - 5:43 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

I've been working on restoring Jerry's score in these clips from the forgotten 1992 boxing film "Gladiator" (Cuba Gooding Jr., Brian Dennehy) It's kind of a cheesy flick.
Goldsmith's rousing score was replaced by a darker, more reserved one by Brad Fiedel. Goldsmith held on to the central theme, for the character of Tommy, and used it the next year in a more tragic mode for "The Vanishing"

Check it out:


Fighting Black Death:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwar-VXaFuM&feature=channel_page

The Chase:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rU3AO2dlBE&feature=channel_page

Lincoln's Match:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64irDGd9fuY

Tommy and Dawn:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pt8Qi86y8h4&feature=channel_page

Riley vs Horn / End Titles:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seSkgNAVcT4

more to come soon..

 
 Posted:   Mar 31, 2009 - 5:55 PM   
 By:   johnmullin   (Member)

Very nice. Now if you had put Goldsmith's Gladiator score into the Russell Crowe film we'd really be in business!

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 31, 2009 - 6:42 PM   
 By:   c8   (Member)

I bet I'll be in a minority here, but I think Goldsmith's score made a bad movie that much worse since his score amplifies the cheeziness of the whole production. The "cool-boy/fight" music, especially in The Chase, just doesn't cut it and seems like an obvious, super-cliched, and, not to be redundant, cheezy way to go with the music. I have nothing against Jerry G., but I sort of now have a better understanding of why he was rejected.

...though I'm not saying Fidel wrote a masterpiece either.

 
 Posted:   Mar 31, 2009 - 7:16 PM   
 By:   Freejack   (Member)

I bet I'll be in a minority here, but I think Goldsmith's score made a bad movie that much worse since his score amplifies the cheeziness of the whole production. The "cool-boy/fight" music, especially in The Chase, just doesn't cut it and seems like an obvious and, not to be redundant, cheezy way to go with the music. I have nothing against Jerry G., but I sort of now have a better understanding of why he was rejected.

...though I'm not saying Fidel wrote a masterpiece either.


Funny I was about to write almost the same thing.
It's fairly obvious that Jerry did'nt take this movie seriously.

I have to give the match to Fiedel.
And Goldsmith for the first time is Knocked Out.

It's an O.K film, I've seen worse but also alot better.

The movies strength lies on the two actors Loggia and Dennehy,
as they were the films real highlights.

Hey Mutant, just a thought .
It would be real cool if you would include the
original score along with the rejected in the
clips so people can see the differences.
Other than that I love what you're doing.
Keep up the good work.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 31, 2009 - 9:52 PM   
 By:   zooba   (Member)

HURRAH! The Mutant is back! Can't wait to check out your always brilliant work, my friend!

 
 Posted:   Apr 1, 2009 - 3:14 PM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

Not one of Jerry's masterpieces.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 1, 2009 - 4:33 PM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

Goldsmith did admit later that it was a movie he shouldn't have done. I don't think he got on with the director at all.

The music is clearly attempting to be a sequel of sorts to Hoosiers, but it doesn't translate well to boxing.

But it's quite a funky score taken out of context.

 
 Posted:   Apr 2, 2009 - 3:29 PM   
 By:   WesllDeckers   (Member)

I think Goldsmith's score made a bad movie that much worse since his score amplifies the cheeziness of the whole production.

I like the music. but sounds for another kind of film. indeed, a more cheesy and lighter one.
a FUN one!

 
 Posted:   Apr 2, 2009 - 6:09 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

New Clip Online

Riley vs Horn / End Titles:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seSkgNAVcT4

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 2, 2009 - 7:26 PM   
 By:   c8   (Member)

Oh man...I'm going to beat a dead horse here, but that last cue was just entirely inappropriate for the final scene of the movie. It was too upbeat during the fight--much too upbeat. Jerry's cue just zaps anything dramatic and epic from this scene right out of the movie. This is the final scene--the final fight with this big guy he shouldn't be able to defeat. The music needs some sort of tension, some sort of pull to say, "This could be it!" Instead we get upbeat rhythmic punches and dated electronics, even for the day, which gives away the ending (even though we knew it was coming, you still score the tension in the scene). I felt like Jerry's cue minimized the finality of the movie and left it quite blah.

 
 Posted:   Apr 2, 2009 - 7:42 PM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

It's just not very interesting musically; I do like Jerry's rejected 2 Days in the Valley score and I always wondered what (if anything) he did for The Public Eye. Sometimes these scores are rejected for a reason--on the other hand, most of the time when a score is rejected the whole film stinks (which looks very likely here--is Brian Dennehy supposed to be a real threat? Even this long ago he looks awfully pudgy and out of shape to be the heavy here) and they're just trying to put lipstick on a pig.

 
 Posted:   Apr 2, 2009 - 7:48 PM   
 By:   SBD   (Member)

I'm sort of reminded of another score that The Mutant restored (ironically, for a film that Goldsmith ultimately scored): AIR FORCE ONE.

The composer having a laugh at the expense of the (risible) goings-on, but the filmmakers didn't want the scores to wink-wink, so out they go.

Yeah, it's no ALIEN NATION or 2 DAYS IN THE VALLEY, but it's listenable.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 2, 2009 - 8:28 PM   
 By:   Paul MacLean   (Member)

The first time I ever heard any of this score was at the SPFM dinner in 1993 where Jerry Goldsmith was given his career achievement award. Ric Romo (of NBC) had put together a tribute video which which opened with footage of the Gladiator session. The session was not identified, so I didn't know what it was, but I was very swept away by the music I heard (a string-intensive version of the score's love theme). I remember thinking "Wow, music like this is the reason I love Jerry's work!"

Having heard more of it, I wouldn't say this is one of Jerry Goldsmith's absolute BEST...but I honestly think it has a passion and drive not found in later scores (like First Knight, Congo or Mulan).

And the love theme for this score really was beautiful. Presumably Goldsmith thought so too, since he resurrected it for use in The Vanishing.


Sometimes these scores are rejected for a reason--on the other hand, most of the time when a score is rejected the whole film stinks

When Goldsmith was later asked about Gladiator, he said "Fortunately my score wasn't used."

 
 Posted:   Apr 3, 2009 - 2:31 AM   
 By:   WesllDeckers   (Member)

that last cue was just entirely inappropriate for the final scene of the movie. It was too upbeat during the fight--much too upbeat.

well, I think the atmosphere of it, does work. it is pretty upbeat, but we already see the expressions of everybody: the big guy is being defeated by that little guy. the music just shimmers and gets triumphant.
it still sounds out of place, but dramatically it works here. (I do not know how the preceding part of the scene was scored, when they were in the middle of the fight)

the funny thing is: Goldsmith was always very capable of getting the sound right, even for duds like The Swarm, The Shadow or Rent-A-Cop. why he probably couldn't here, is some sort of mystery for me.

 
 Posted:   Apr 3, 2009 - 10:39 AM   
 By:   spielboy   (Member)


Riley vs Horn / End Titles:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seSkgNAVcT4



fighting with old Dennehy??? boy, this film was silly

nice scoring, anyway.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 3, 2009 - 2:03 PM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

Wow.

Okay, well firstly these clips are technically brilliant and a THOUSAND thanks for putting them together. Brilliant!!

Now the music...

It's hard, talking these out of context, and I haven't see the movie for a while, and then only once (I do have the boot CD), put this is pure Jerry.

Wonderful writing.

I have to assume that there was a major breakdown in communication with Rowdy Herrington. Either he asked Goldsmith to take the wrong approach, or the wrong temp was used, or he failed to communicate entirely. See Ridley Scott and Alien.

I doubt Goldsmith would have gotten this so completely wrong, unless he was merely trying to amuse himself during a very poor assignment!! :-)

Great music, probably best to ignore the film. Sounds familiar!!

 
 Posted:   Apr 3, 2009 - 3:51 PM   
 By:   Gold Digger   (Member)

Well done again for allowing us to sample a rejected score against the visuals they were intended for. I personally think Goldsmith thought he had another Hoosiers or the director temp tracked it with Hoosiers. Either way it does not work that well. I've heard worse but I can understand why it got rejected.

 
 Posted:   Apr 3, 2009 - 5:17 PM   
 By:   Freejack   (Member)

I have to assume that there was a major breakdown in communication with Rowdy Herrington. Either he asked Goldsmith to take the wrong approach, or the wrong temp was used, or he failed to communicate entirely. See Ridley Scott and Alien.

I doubt Goldsmith would have gotten this so completely wrong, unless he was merely trying to amuse himself during a very poor assignment!! :-)

Great music, probably best to ignore the film. Sounds familiar!!



I think Jerry went the traditional way and
scored the movie as a serious action/drama.
As the movie is set in the ghetto of chicago
Jerry scored it in a filmnoir kind of way with the piano.
And he was nominated for an Oscar for the score to Hoosiers
so he went back to that mold again.

And Rowdy Herrington the director of ROADHOUSE
probably wanted a newer "hip" score to go with
the pop/rap songs.

Jerrys score is a great listen on CD,
but in the end I think Rowdy made the right
choise to go with Brad Fiedel's score.

 
 Posted:   Apr 3, 2009 - 8:06 PM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

If I want to listen to music Jerry wrote for guys fighting:

--The (also rejected) fight cue from Lonely Are the Brave
--"You're Renewed" from Logan's Run
--"The Boot" from Rambo III
--"As You Wish" from The Challenge

I'm sure I can come up with others but this would be dead last on the list...

 
 Posted:   Apr 3, 2009 - 9:04 PM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)

Y'know, when Jeff doesn't like a Goldsmith score... eek

 
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