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 Posted:   Jul 17, 2009 - 12:52 PM   
 By:   scrapsly   (Member)

I did a search on this topic, and either the search engine is down, or there are not any previous threads. I have to start out by admitting that I am not a big Elmer Bernstein fan. I only own a handful of his scores. I have heard wonderful things about his unused score to the Scarlet Letter and being a huge John Barry fan who very much likes his replacement score, I am curious to hear Mr. Bernsteins take on it. I have searched the internet to try and find any kind of review of the Bernstein score, and all I could really find is the Varesse page with a couple of sound clips. Sound clips are nice, but again not being a huge Bernstein fan and the only way to get the score is to pay 60 dollars and get three when I only want one, well I would like more input. I think it is fantasic that these unused scores have been released, but this is one instant where I wish I could legally download only one of the three. I am just asking for those of you who have the Bernstein set with the Scarlet Letter to please give me your take on it. Thanks

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 17, 2009 - 3:41 PM   
 By:   Michael Arlidge   (Member)

It's a work of art. One of the very best scores Bernstein ever wrote.

 
 Posted:   Jul 17, 2009 - 4:07 PM   
 By:   drivingmissdaisy   (Member)

I wasn't a big fan, I thought John Barry's was just a tad better.

 
 Posted:   Jul 17, 2009 - 4:16 PM   
 By:   mgh   (Member)

I do love Bernstein's music, so you can take this with a grain of salt; it is an excellent score, one of the best he ever wrote; it is majestic, quiet, intimate and very americana. The clips really do give a sense of what the music is like. The other scores are excellent too; you will not waste your money on them.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 17, 2009 - 7:06 PM   
 By:   joffa   (Member)

What Michael said.

 
 Posted:   Jul 17, 2009 - 9:39 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

The set is really great. Scarlet Letter is the best of the three - a big, lush orchestral work with an overwhelming amount of emotion - and Gangs Of New York being a very interesting, very thunderous companion.

Bernstein's Natty Gann I have a hard time with but I've only played it a handful of times so far.

 
 Posted:   Jul 17, 2009 - 9:56 PM   
 By:   Ed   (Member)

Great score. Strongly recommended. I prefer it to GANGS (which is a pretty fantastic effort as well and similar in many respects). Really you can't go wrong with any of the three in the Varese collection. I wish I had a little more time to go into detail.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 8, 2013 - 11:25 AM   
 By:   Kev McGann   (Member)

I think this score is, to my ears at least, the greatest rejected score I've ever heard!
I know people may counter with North's 2001, Yared's Troy or maybe Morricone's What Dreams May Come (just to name 3) and they could be right too, but this is one monumental work by Elmer B.
I would guess the producers temped some of it with Horner's Braveheart, as Bernstein strives to emulate it sometimes with the pipes, but in all other instances he delivers one of his most thrilling, poetic and pulse pounding scores ever!
It just flows with beauty and brilliance.
I must admit, I picked up the set mainly after hearing the suite for Natty Gann that was performed somewhere or other, that a mate passed to me on DVD. It sounded 'westerny' enough for me to take a gamble on, plus I figured his rejected Gangs Of NY score would be EPIC!!!
I didn't even consider this score when I purchased the set (I'd heard the film was a stinker and I listened to the Barry score once or twice, but it never really excited me that much).
I can understand why the producers tried their last throw of the dice with Barry, but sometimes a stinker will always be a stinker, film-wise at least. But Barry fans got a Dances With Wolves sequel score and thanks to Rob Townson and Varese, I now have a true thing of beauty. I also think the end point Townson created between disc 3 and 4 is spot-on. It almost sounds like an old exit music/entr'acte thingy the way the last track builds and builds before closing. Perfect!

 
 Posted:   Sep 8, 2013 - 1:51 PM   
 By:   edwzoomom   (Member)

I think this score is, to my ears at least, the greatest rejected score I've ever heard!
I know people may counter with North's 2001, Yared's Troy or maybe Morricone's What Dreams May Come (just to name 3) and they could be right too, but this is one monumental work by Elmer B.
I would guess the producers temped some of it with Horner's Braveheart, as Bernstein strives to emulate it sometimes with the pipes, but in all other instances he delivers one of his most thrilling, poetic and pulse pounding scores ever!
It just flows with beauty and brilliance.
I must admit, I picked up the set mainly after hearing the suite for Natty Gann that was performed somewhere or other, that a mate passed to me on DVD. It sounded 'westerny' enough for me to take a gamble on, plus I figured his rejected Gangs Of NY score would be EPIC!!!
I didn't even consider this score when I purchased the set (I'd heard the film was a stinker and I listened to the Barry score once or twice, but it never really excited me that much).
I can understand why the producers tried their last throw of the dice with Barry, but sometimes a stinker will always be a stinker, film-wise at least. But Barry fans got a Dances With Wolves sequel score and thanks to Rob Townson and Varese, I now have a true thing of beauty. I also think the end point Townson created between disc 3 and 4 is spot-on. It almost sounds like an old exit music/entr'acte thingy the way the last track builds and builds before closing. Perfect!


Kevin, it is all your fault....I just spent more money! Just kidding of course. When I read this revived thread, of course I had to go looking for samples of this score. Well, that lead to me to the 4 cd release of Gangs of New York / The Journey of Natty Gann / The Scarlet Letter. I am certainly familiar with Gangs and Natty Gann but was not aware of Bernstein's rejected scores. I liked what I heard and found a new copy of the Varese release on Amazon and, well you know the rest!

Kevin, I thank you for reviving the thread as I "discovered" some new music but my pocketbook does not thank you - wink wink! smile

 
 Posted:   Sep 8, 2013 - 7:11 PM   
 By:   Gary S.   (Member)

I bought the set when it was released by Varese. The whole set has gotten lots of play over the years.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 9, 2013 - 2:01 PM   
 By:   Kev McGann   (Member)

"Kevin, I thank you for reviving the thread as I "discovered" some new music but my pocketbook does not thank you - wink wink! smile"
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Haha, no worries edwz, you can rage at me now and thank me later! wink
Just make sure you come back after you've luxuriated in all that Elmery goodness and let us know what you think of it.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 9, 2013 - 2:58 PM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

I had to add to the chorus of approval to this set - I used to love Bernstein, but find
I 'have enough' of his work now, and he went into some areas I never really dug....

but, even the armchair EB fan should have this set. There is bound to be at LEAST
one part of it you will love.

For me, it's Scarlet Letter - really an elaborate, lengthy, thematic, Golden Age masterpiece.
I think it was Kev that spoke highly of this one above, so I'll just concur.

GONY is also very good, but the mono sound is off putting, and there are far too many
tracks. Don't get me wrong, elated to have it, but hoped for more. Still shouldn't have
been rejected :-/

Natty Gann is terrific, but I prefer Horner's effort.

Townson's notes/tribute booklet is also a win, and the packaging overall is very
classy.

Hope you like it edwzoomom, if not, the fellas will be eating crow here ;-)

 
 Posted:   Sep 9, 2013 - 4:08 PM   
 By:   edwzoomom   (Member)


I am pretty sure I am going to love it. smile

 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2013 - 7:18 PM   
 By:   edwzoomom   (Member)

"Kevin, I thank you for reviving the thread as I "discovered" some new music but my pocketbook does not thank you - wink wink! smile"
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Haha, no worries edwz, you can rage at me now and thank me later! wink
Just make sure you come back after you've luxuriated in all that Elmery goodness and let us know what you think of it.


Well Kevin, I am writing to let you know that my pocketbook now wants to say THANK YOU for recommending the rejected scores of Elmer Bernstein. I found the rejected score of The Scarlet Letter to be absolutely stunning. The rich texture of this score is amazing. Just when you get lost in a beautiful moment you are taken to another place. I am a fan of Elmer Bernstein and must agree that this may be one of, if not his best.

I will admit that I also love the Barry score and I did like the movie. Okay, I realize I am probably in a minority but I have always been a mush pie when it comes to a love story. I was raised on the cinematic love stories of the 40s and 50s and must admit I look for this theme still.

I got a chuckle from your comments Kevin about luxuriating in this score. I did and you were so right! So, I thank you and my pocketbook thanks you. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2013 - 9:41 PM   
 By:   zooba   (Member)

I was lucky to just pick up the Varese Elmer Bernstein Rejected Scores Box Set Sealed / Brand New from Amazon for $34.95

Really wonderful stuff. Just listening to the first track of THE SCARLET LETTER now and I'm loving it.

A shame the directors let this awesome music go from their films. Their loss.

Elmer Bernstein along with Jerry Goldsmith are surely missed. With their passing a big part of Grand Film Music really died. Losing them and Barry, Poledouris, Kamen, Michael Small and so many others, great film music truly took a hit. Luckily we still have Williams, Horner and Elfman to still bring us that special magic from time to time.

Really enjoying Elmer's SCARLET LETTER!

 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2013 - 10:22 AM   
 By:   edwzoomom   (Member)

I was lucky to just pick up the Varese Elmer Bernstein Rejected Scores Box Set Sealed / Brand New from Amazon for $34.95

Really wonderful stuff. Just listening to the first track of THE SCARLET LETTER now and I'm loving it.

A shame the directors let this awesome music go from their films. Their loss.

Elmer Bernstein along with Jerry Goldsmith are surely missed. With their passing a big part of Grand Film Music really died. Losing them and Barry, Poledouris, Kamen, Michael Small and so many others, great film music truly took a hit. Luckily we still have Williams, Horner and Elfman to still bring us that special magic from time to time.

Really enjoying Elmer's SCARLET LETTER!



Funny zooba, I looked the same way when I received my copy in the mail. The only difference is that I was carrying a pocketbook and I don't have a beard. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2013 - 2:06 PM   
 By:   Kev McGann   (Member)

"I got a chuckle from your comments Kevin about luxuriating in this score. I did and you were so right! So, I thank you and my pocketbook thanks you. smile"
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Phew!!
Thank the maker for that! Didn't want to be chased down and beaten up by a film score minion!! wink
It is a lovely score, ain't it. He even pulls back on the ondes martenot usage, which I appreciated.
As mentioned in the booklet notes, it is somewhat of a companion score to Marie Ward, but I think this one has a lot more variety to it. I love those pounding drums sections.
This one is going to get many more hits in the coming weeks/months.
Glad you're loving it! smile

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2013 - 2:09 PM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

Makes me wish composers had a clause in their contract that
guaranteed issue on cd if their score is rejected. I don't think I've
met a rejected score I didn't like, and to think that so many are just
languishing - all that work, time spent, Elmer writing this amazing and
for him, very lengthy work, never to be heard. No wonder it's such a
touchy subject.....


Told ya so, edwzoomom smile

 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2013 - 3:31 PM   
 By:   edwzoomom   (Member)

Makes me wish composers had a clause in their contract that
guaranteed issue on cd if their score is rejected. I don't think I've
met a rejected score I didn't like, and to think that so many are just
languishing - all that work, time spent, Elmer writing this amazing and
for him, very lengthy work, never to be heard. No wonder it's such a
touchy subject.....


Told ya so, edwzoomom smile


Goblin, you can surely say you told me so. smile I was thinking the same thing as I listened to this score a second time. Imagine investing all your time, talent, effort and creativity in a project like this and then having "rejected" stamped on it. As I said before, I have seen the movie a few times, have the Barry score and can definitely imagine hearing this score throughout the movie. I just feel blessed that this score was released!

 
 Posted:   Sep 16, 2013 - 12:11 PM   
 By:   edwzoomom   (Member)



I just listened to this score AGAIN and I have to say that is grabs you the moment it begins - that first track is amazing and only makes you want more. This is becoming one of my faves!

 
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