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This is a comments thread about Blog Post: FSM Catalog—Low Quantities Report, Part 10, CD Vol. 13 (2010) by Lukas Kendall
 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2012 - 10:18 AM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

There are many more unreleased Kaper scores in the M-G-M library if another label wants to tackle them.

I have some 78 minutes from the studio in very good mono sound of Marie Antoinette, but wanted to see what the estate had...and we never got that far.) There are quite literally dozens of Stothart scores that could be done as a limited edition box set of 500... I will gladly, and thankfully, turn over all my paperwork, research and digital files pro bono.

If any other enterprising label wants to follow up on this Lalo library, the Schifrin/M-G-M scores still unreleased are The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich (album version, which we have without the narration), Quest for the Mask of Sheba (TV movie), Medical Center (many episodes), Bronk (a few episodes) and some early ’80s obscurities: Chicago Story (TV movie pilot) and A Stranger Is Watching.



I'm not sure if we should be feeling happy or deeply depressed!
Knowing there are many unissued Kaper and Stothardt scores available, but not being projected for release, is frustrating for admirers of those great composers. I assume most collectors imagine that good sources for such old titles are rare finds and turn up once in a blue moon. Knowing they are there all the time and readily available puts a whole new complexion on things. I doubt if the other labels will rush to bring them to us. What a pity Marie Antoinette was not followed through.
Some Schifrin/MGM titles are mentioned. Would be nice to know what Kaper/Stothardt titles are there.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2012 - 10:23 AM   
 By:   ScottDS   (Member)

As always, I'm loving these recaps.

Sorry to hear about the low numbers for the Ron Jones Project - I ordered mine on day 1!

I'm sure this has occurred to you already but I think this is one of those titles that needs to be sold at conventions. I know most Trek fans aren't necessarily film score fans but I think there's something to be said about presentation and casual fans being able to look at the box up close to see all the tender loving care that went into it. (This applies to the other Trek titles released by FSM, Intrada, and LLL as well.)

I just hope the sales figures don't affect future DS9/VGR/ENT sets.

 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2012 - 10:27 AM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

I just hope the sales figures don't affect future DS9/VGR/ENT sets.

Perhaps some of the many Stothardt and Kaper scores that were set aside might actually have sold better.
Combined sales of just the Butterfield 8 set (Kaper) and Dragon Seed (Stothardt) were many hundreds more than Ron Jones' Star Trek.

 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2012 - 10:32 AM   
 By:   David Sones (Allardyce)   (Member)

Seth MacFarlane was the catalyst that led to Tootsie's release! How cool is that? The behind-the-scenes stories of how some of these CDs came about are always fascinating.

And for those of you who don't have Tootsie, get it. Now. Please. smile

 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2012 - 10:52 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

Nice recaps indeed. I hope with the new blu-ray excitement of TNG fans will re-discover the Ron Jones scores and seek the boxset out. Nice to see Poltergeist will stay in print, that is the edition future fans will want to own!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2012 - 11:51 AM   
 By:   jonnyquest   (Member)

After reading this latest recap, and enjoying all the warm fuzzies that invariably come with it, I finally had to reply with (hardly my first but) maybe my most heartfelt "thank you" for everything. For the record, your recaps are addictively fun to read and it's a kick to explore all the linked material, too.

These dispatches vividly remind us how much goes into "everything" you all do - not just the work, but the risks, judgement calls and gambles…plus the blood, sweat, tears, endless sleuthing, dead ends, deadlines, disappointments and lots of bills. (Plus worst of all, you guys endure all this only to face a fan base - some of whom carry on, at least on the message boards, like a school of ill-tempered sea bass.)

Then somehow, in spite of everything, you're still capable of (un-ironically and most sincerely) stating: "This did not sell well, but…I don’t really care...it was really meant for the people who like these films, and I’m glad to have done it for them."

There's so many ways your greatest fans wish we could thank you. In the occasionally positive notes you receive amongst all the bitching. In how much we support the label with our dollars. In how much more we wish we could support the label if we had unlimited dollars. But most of all, I wish I could do something that gave back to you guys as much happiness as your releases bring, and have brought, me. This is separate from my gratitude to the musicians who created the stuff in the first place. They take a beating in these forums as well, and I've tried to thank and honor them elsewhere.

It's a hard and largely thankless journey you've been on, but from your notes I can tell, you probably wouldn't change a thing.

 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2012 - 11:57 AM   
 By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)


Hi Jonnyquest, thank you -- and all the folks who have chimed in like you -- for your very nice words. And I never thought I'd be having a conversation with Jonny Quest about our Lassie 5CD set.

Lukas

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2012 - 12:01 PM   
 By:   captain_avis   (Member)

Johnny Quest,
Your post echoes my sentiments exactly (although I'm passionate about different obscure scores that Lukas has put out).

Lukas, I know it may seem like few people care about these limited releases, but your label has been manna from heaven for many of us. I wish I could be so lucky as to have positively touched even 1,000 people with my work and your label has certainly reached many more people than that. So many of us in the film music community are tremendously grateful for the blood, sweat and tears you've put in. That goes not just for you and the others at FSM, but for all the specialty labels who toil for us sometimes ungrateful and difficult fans.

Thanks again!

Chris.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2012 - 12:03 PM   
 By:   jonnyquest   (Member)

Hi Jonnyquest, thank you -- and all the folks who have chimed in like you -- for your very nice words. And I never thought I'd be having a conversation with Jonny Quest about our Lassie 5CD set.

Lukas


LOL! You could probably start another journal of just all the surreal moments since the Vineyard era.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2012 - 12:17 PM   
 By:   babbelballetje   (Member)

Very entertaining and interesting read!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2012 - 12:22 PM   
 By:   ScottDS   (Member)

Nice recaps indeed. I hope with the new blu-ray excitement of TNG fans will re-discover the Ron Jones scores and seek the boxset out.

Speaking of Jones, I recently came across a photo on Facebook of him being interviewed for a future TNG Blu-Ray set. One wonders what he'll actually be allowed to say on-camera.

As for FSM, Lukas, you have no idea how awesome it's been, and I look forward to future LK productions from the other labels. smile

 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2012 - 1:35 PM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

Fantastic read, the story about "Hunters Are For Killing" especially. If anyone skipped that one, read it now!

 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2012 - 2:36 PM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

Profoundest thanks and appreciation, Lukas, for all the film scores you have preserved and issued. Really enjoy your write-up here.

 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2012 - 2:44 PM   
 By:   Uhtred   (Member)

As a kid watching Star Trek The Next Generation, it would have blown my mind to know that one day there would be ALL of Ron Jones' TNG music available. I'm sorry it hasn't sold as many as you hoped Lukas but to me its the jewel in my Soundtrack collection and I can't see it being beaten. Thank you.

As for the Best of Both Worlds cliffhanger. Thank goodness the BBC decided to show part 2 the following week and then returning to season 4 later in the year. It must have been a killer waiting for the conclusion in the states.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2012 - 3:05 PM   
 By:   Michael24   (Member)

I thought I'd be able to wait awhile longer on Outland, but it looks like I might have to jump on it pretty soon. I'm expecting to get a little extra money before long that I was planning to use for some other things, but maybe I can find a way to squeeze that one in there. I have the old GNP double release with Capricorn One, but would like this version for the additional music. Outland was one of the early scores responsible for my love of film music when I was a kid.

As for the Best of Both Worlds cliffhanger. Thank goodness the BBC decided to show part 2 the following week and then returning to season 4 later in the year. It must have been a killer waiting for the conclusion in the states.

Oh yeah, it was a long wait. It was the hot topic among my friends and I all summer while waiting for the conclusion. Still remains, IMO, the best television cliffhanger.

 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2012 - 3:37 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Personally (and I'm saying this as a fan), I think it's AMAZING that Lukas has managed to sell 1200 copies of the Ron Jones box.

Yes, it's GREAT TV scoring, but it had this going against it sales-wise:

1. TNG has the worst musical reputation of any Trek show, which of course isn't Ron Jones fault at all. We can thank Berman the Bland for that, and he's the reason Jones didn't get to stay on the show through some of its more superior episodes.

2. TNG is the most overexposed series for original tracks score releases. Four specific releases on GNP, not including the scores included in the two compilation sets. LaLaLand has faced the same problem, and even though I do hope they continue with a TNG Vol. 2 eventually (at lower quantity, obviously) I think they'll do much better with other Trek series music.

3. 14 CDs, all at once, for $150?? For any TV show, that's kinda crazy. I mean, I get where Lukas is coming from because it's how *I* would prefer it and to people who want all of it it actually *saves* money. But I think season-by-season releases at least would've been more prudent here (but then who knows if sales would've warranted follow-up volumes; I'm glad we have it all!)

4. Limited to 5,000 copies. I knew Lukas was probably high off the sales for Star Trek II but for such a high price item with the (unfair) "bland" blanket generalization thrown at all TNG music it was really a useless number to encourage sales in any way; might as well have been declared unlimited. Now 1,500 copies might've made sense. But heck, I'm shocked that Lukas has had to cap the Rozsa set at that number rather than the 2000 planned.

So with all of that taken into account, I think 1200 is actually a pretty impressive number and shows how many dedicated Ron Jones fans there are!

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2012 - 5:14 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

Surprised CHIPs sold so bad, and I assume Vol. 4 is not one of the final five, alas...
I have all three volumes and absolutely looooooooove them.

 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2012 - 7:44 AM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

It's been stated before, but these retrospectives by Lukas on the entire FSM catalog has been an excellent way for me to discover titles I previously missed. I almost forget about CLEOPATRA JONES! I also love that era of R&B/funk film music. It's now on my SAE wishlist for my next order, along with Zigzag/The Super Cops, which will be my first foray into Jerry Fielding. smile

 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2012 - 7:46 AM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

Surprised CHIPs sold so bad, and I assume Vol. 4 is not one of the final five, alas...
I have all three volumes and absolutely looooooooove them.


Agreed. I have volumes 1 and 3 and both have received plenty of play, on disc and iPod. Silvestri's CHiPs scores never fail to make me smile and bring an awesome funky groove to any day. And it's always a kick to listen to them while driving around the L.A. freeways! smile

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2012 - 11:17 AM   
 By:   Dylan S   (Member)

Hi Lukas,

Would you happen to know if "The Seduction" (1982) is among the unreleased Lalo Schifrin scores housed at MGM? I've always wanted a release of this score, which features one of Lalo's most beautiful themes (the main titles feature a song version sung by Dionne Warwick, also unreleased). Thanks!

 
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