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 Posted:   May 23, 2013 - 2:11 PM   
 By:   Miles (MerM)   (Member)

I was reading up on The Last Boy Scout, and apparently Michael Kamen hated the film (no surprise, I don't think he liked any of the action movies he scored), taking the job only as a favor to Joel Silver. And there's also Goldsmith blasting The Mummy in interviews (why this one and not the 400 worse movies he did is beyond me). And John Barry was of course no fan of Howard The Duck.

Any other tales of a composer being on record as despising a project they worked on? Not the work they did on it or production problems, but the actual final product.

 
 Posted:   May 23, 2013 - 2:23 PM   
 By:   George Komar   (Member)

Jerry Goldsmith said that he was totally bored with "Outland." He just couldn't connect emotionally with it.

 
 Posted:   May 23, 2013 - 2:32 PM   
 By:   billiosis   (Member)

I was reading up on The Last Boy Scout, and apparently Michael Kamen hated the film (no surprise, I don't think he liked any of the action movies he scored), taking the job only as a favor to Joel Silver. And there's also Goldsmith blasting The Mummy in interviews (why this one and not the 400 worse movies he did is beyond me). And John Barry was of course no fan of Howard The Duck.

Any other tales of a composer being on record as despising a project they worked on? Not the work they did on it or production problems, but the actual final product.


This is an interesting post. I'm sure you won't get any living composer's (positively no dead ones will tell) to say they hated a film they scored since so much of whether you get a job or not is based on cultivating good relationships with producers, directors, studios etc. These folks do have mortgages like everyone else and need to make some coin.

But I would think that most composers are unclear if the movie they're working on is a stinkburger or not. There are so many elements that go into making a film good OR bad. Composer can only have influence on one aspect of it. Its still somewhat fragmented by the time he (or she) gets it so its hard to say.

I guess there are some examples though.

 
 
 Posted:   May 23, 2013 - 3:24 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

James Horner on THE NEW WORLD.

 
 Posted:   May 23, 2013 - 3:34 PM   
 By:   Miles (MerM)   (Member)

James Horner on THE NEW WORLD.

Sorta. That's more in line with the 'production problems' that I wanted to steer away from. Horner's experience seemed to be colored more by Malick's approach to editing than watching a cut of the movie and going "well, this is a piece of shit".

 
 
 Posted:   May 23, 2013 - 5:57 PM   
 By:   dan the man   (Member)

well I feel JERRY came up with a pretty good score for a film he didn't care for[the mummy]

 
 
 Posted:   May 23, 2013 - 7:09 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

Jerry Goldsmith said that he was totally bored with "Outland." He just couldn't connect emotionally with it.

He wasn't fond of "The Mummy" either, and declined to score the sequel.

 
 Posted:   May 23, 2013 - 7:42 PM   
 By:   TominAtl   (Member)

Jerry Goldsmith said that he was totally bored with "Outland." He just couldn't connect emotionally with it.

He wasn't fond of "The Mummy" either, and declined to score the sequel.


Now while I don't remember reading that Goldsmith came out and said he hated the movie, I do remember reading how he hated how he was treated by Sommers, the director while working on the film. Goldsmith stated he was holed up in a hotel somewhere while composing the score and Sommers was not very communicative while working with him.

 
 
 Posted:   May 23, 2013 - 7:58 PM   
 By:   Michael24   (Member)

Now while I don't remember reading that Goldsmith came out and said he hated the movie, I do remember reading how he hated how he was treated by Sommers, the director while working on the film. Goldsmith stated he was holed up in a hotel somewhere while composing the score and Sommers was not very communicative while working with him.

I recall reading somewhere that before playing a suite of Mummy music at a concert once, Goldsmith introduced it by saying it was music from "a really crappy movie," or something like that. I always wondered why he spoke so negatively about it, considering he scored movies that were far, far worse. It must have resulted in some bad blood, because on the commentary neither Stephen Sommers nor the producer even mention the score at all until near the very end, when one of them simply says, "This is beautiful music." (While on The Mummy Returns, they speak positively about Silvestri's score a handful of times.)

It's funny to learn about such things. You hear a wonderful score and so just naturally assume that the composer liked the film and was obviously inspired enough to create such a great score. So it's always interesting to find out things like this.

 
 Posted:   May 24, 2013 - 1:47 AM   
 By:   Mr Drive   (Member)

Goldsmith himself said he couldn't tell if a movie was good or bad when he saw it. So when he hated somthing, like in the case of The Mummy, it must have been about production issues after all. Funny since Sommers was a fan who tried to get Goldsmith for The Jungle Book and finally got him for his underwater trashfest. Pressure must have gotten the better of him on The Mummy. Oh well.

Who can tell what inspired Goldsmith on these movies? He just had it inside him somehow. For me it's a tragic story, but it's probably the way it had to be with him. He didn't depend on the substance of what was brought to him and was the best composer Hollywood trash could hope for.

If he got something he loved though... but that's another topic I guess.

EDIT: It is wink
http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=96437&forumID=1&archive=0

 
 
 Posted:   May 24, 2013 - 2:47 AM   
 By:   Bill Cooke   (Member)

I believe Jerome Moross hated THE VALLEY OF GWANGI.

Miklos Rozsa did not "get" THE POWER.

 
 
 Posted:   May 24, 2013 - 2:57 AM   
 By:   groovemeister   (Member)

Goldsmith said something down the lines of
'That was a stupid movie' (about 'The Mummy')
It was at a concert at The Barbican in London.

 
 Posted:   May 24, 2013 - 3:48 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

John Barry was seemingly not that big a fan of the Bond films after the first few.

In fact, in a 1971 interview, he sounded practically fed up with them.

That said, his views at the time may have been coloured by the strained relations with Harry Saltzman. His relationship with Cubby was obviously much better and Barry did seemingly like working for Cubby.

 
 Posted:   May 24, 2013 - 4:11 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

I remember Jerry Goldsmith's 1989 concert at the Barbican, which was broadcast live on the radio.

JG: "Who here is a Star Trek fan?"

Crowd cheers

JG: "Well, I'm not one."

 
 
 Posted:   May 24, 2013 - 5:47 AM   
 By:   Bill Finn   (Member)

I believe Jerome Moross hated THE VALLEY OF GWANGI.

Miklos Rozsa did not "get" THE POWER.


Rozsa also said something similar about PROVIDENCE.

 
 
 Posted:   May 24, 2013 - 6:24 AM   
 By:   Vermithrax Pejorative   (Member)

>>>>>>> JG: "Well, I'm not one." >>>>>>>>

So Goldsmith and Abrams have something in common! wink

 
 
 Posted:   May 24, 2013 - 6:44 AM   
 By:   vinylscrubber   (Member)

If you were Goldsmith, you created a better film in your mind that should have been and scored that, making the corpse look much better. He was always the master of finding his own creative challenge in just about any assignment.

Of course, you could always follow John Williams reported reaction to the finished film of Michael Winner's THE SENTINEL--"I'm not doing this--sue me."

God, I caught most of HANOVER STREET on a local station with my senior caregiving client yesterday, and I can't imagine what went through John Barry's mind being face with that. All I can say is he sure didn't rise to the challenge, as it was an even more lugubrious effort than usual from Barry. Even the cues for the action scenes (such as they were) were totally ineffective at getting any energy going.

 
 
 Posted:   May 24, 2013 - 7:25 AM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

believe Jerome Moross hated THE VALLEY OF GWANGI. . . .Miklos Rozsa did not "get" THE POWER. . . .Rozsa also said something similar about PROVIDENCE.

Which is not the same as "hating." Rozsa had enormous respect for what Resnais was doing. He cited dislike for KNIGHTS OF THE ROUND TABLE, KING OF KINGS, and SODOM AND GOMORRAH, among others. In each case he looked to the source material for the inspiration that the movies largely failed to provide.

 
 
 Posted:   May 24, 2013 - 8:14 AM   
 By:   Bill Finn   (Member)

believe Jerome Moross hated THE VALLEY OF GWANGI. . . .Miklos Rozsa did not "get" THE POWER. . . .Rozsa also said something similar about PROVIDENCE.

Which is not the same as "hating." Rozsa had enormous respect for what Resnais was doing. He cited dislike for KNIGHTS OF THE ROUND TABLE, KING OF KINGS, and SODOM AND GOMORRAH, among others. In each case he looked to the source material for the inspiration that the movies largely failed to provide.


Yes, true. I believe Rozsa was only saying that he did not "get" it, not that he hated it.

 
 Posted:   May 24, 2013 - 8:19 AM   
 By:   Other Tallguy   (Member)

God, I caught most of HANOVER STREET on a local station with my senior caregiving client yesterday, and I can't imagine what went through John Barry's mind being face with that. All I can say is he sure didn't rise to the challenge, as it was an even more lugubrious effort than usual from Barry. Even the cues for the action scenes (such as they were) were totally ineffective at getting any energy going.

WWII, B-25s, Harrison Ford, Christopher Plummer, John Barry. And I HATED that movie!

 
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