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 Posted:   Jun 14, 2013 - 1:04 PM   
 By:   Bishop   (Member)

More than three years ago, MV told us the following in an interview:

...
And, as for Excalibur, well, we were all set to go, and had the legal right to do so, but Trevor Jones didn’t want another label to release it, as again, he supposedly wanted it out on his own label, though it has yet to be produced and released.


[Source: http://www.underscores.fr/index.php/2010/03/interview-mv-gerhard-at-the-heart-of-la-la-land-vo/]

Unfortunately Excalibur still has not been officially released by any label.
So do you think there's any chance that Trevor Jones might reconsider his views on this matter?

Would it be helpful if we'd write a friendly fan-letter to him, encouraging him to pursue this release - either himself or by giving his OK to one of our beloved speciality labels?

Perhaps (rather unlikely, but who knows) he's not aware ...
... what fanbase this soundtrack actually has
... that there are people (illegally) making quite some money with this score, without him seeing any money for it. frown

So what do you think? smile

 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2013 - 1:24 PM   
 By:   Michael_McMahan   (Member)

That's frustrating to read. This is one of my most desired releases. Between the original score and the revisions that ended up in the film, I've been waiting for a proper release for over 20 years. Probably won't help, but i just wrote a short email to info@trevorjonesfilmmusic.com to remind them of the fanbase out here.

 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2013 - 1:29 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

A few years ago antoher label person said the same thing about Jones, and recently over at Intrada, Roger did as well.

Trevor Jones just isn't interested, no matter the perssuation and passage of years.

 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2013 - 1:48 PM   
 By:   Bishop   (Member)

A few years ago antoher label person said the same thing about Jones, and recently over at Intrada, Roger did as well.

Trevor Jones just isn't interested, no matter the perssuation and passage of years.


But what about Dark Crystal, Runaway Train, Nate and Hayes, The Sender (all La-La Land) or even Cliffhanger (Intrada)?

Also MV did not mention this score in his sad list of score that most likely will never see the light of day (or laser beam of a CD-player that is). [Source: http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?forumID=1&pageID=3&threadID=95052 (Page 3)]

I know I'm grasping at straws (MV himself even says that his list is incomplete), but sometimes that's all we fans have, to feed our hope. wink

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2013 - 2:01 PM   
 By:   betenoir   (Member)

For Excalibur, and some other works by other composers, it's a shame when a copyright holder has no interest but won't step aside and authorize a release by people who are interested and willing to do the work. I guess it's too much bother for some folks to look over a simple contract and sign it.

 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2013 - 2:12 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Who owns the music? I though the production companies owns the music. So it's their approval you need. (legally speaking) It's very sad when composers are themselves the roadblock in getting scores released.

 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2013 - 2:14 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

As I recall -- maybe MV will step in and correct me if wrong -- most of those LLLR ones were not done with the composer, and in one case one of them was in mono, when the University of Leeds had the masters donated by Jones, in stereo, but MV stated they were not allowed to use them; suggesting, since Jones still seems to have a connection with that university (he recently performedd there, too), that the kabosh was put on them by the composer.

I'd love to be wrong. I'd love for it to be a case-by-case basis, where Jones at least relents some, but I'm just not sure that's the case. I think there's a story behind each release.



EDIT:
Roger's quote:

April 24, 2013:
"A few of us have been trying to show Trevor the love, but he hasn't been particularly interested in it."
(http://www.intrada.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=63994#p63994)

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2013 - 3:06 PM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

How much original music was there? I recall mainly a lot of Wagner and a bit of Orff -- incredibly annoying stuff, because each eruption took me out of the story and into the several (and quite different) musical and mythical worlds of Tristan and Parsifal and the Ring.

 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2013 - 3:10 PM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

The truth is that Trevor Jones score for "Excalibur" is not that good.

It is just another case of a score that becomes a "holly grail" just because it was never released...

 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2013 - 3:33 PM   
 By:   Michael_McMahan   (Member)

The truth is that Trevor Jones score for "Excalibur" is not that good.

It is just another case of a score that becomes a "holly grail" just because it was never released...


Yor misspeaks. The only "truth" here is that Yor does not care much for a score which I dearly love. Not just holy grail. "Holly" grail even! It would genuine please me to have this music. Moody and ethereal bliss.

 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2013 - 3:47 PM   
 By:   Warunsun   (Member)

I would buy this.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2013 - 4:48 PM   
 By:   CinemaScope   (Member)

I have a CD of this. It's copyright, Old World Music & is a limited edition of 2000 (mine is number 1789, hand written). I bought it from 58 Dean Street Records & thought it was a composers promo, but wouldn't have been bothered if it was a boot, those were the days before FSM & the AFM deal, & there was a lot of boots around, the only way to get stuff then. It sounds great & has some unused cues, it's 65m 53s long, but I can't say I play it much. Take out the Wagner & Orff & the the Jones stuff that's left isn't that great, I have a couple of dances from it on my ipod, but that's becouse they sound so good.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2013 - 5:00 PM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)

The truth is that Trevor Jones score for "Excalibur" is not that good.

It is just another case of a score that becomes a "holly grail" just because it was never released...


To be honest, I kinda agree. This is no DARK CRYSTAL, NATE AND HAYES or THE SENDER. There are really only two or three very fleeting moments of that wonderful early Trevor Jones sound, though I do recall kinda liking the brief, very much Jonsian-sounding woodwind interlude in the middle of the alternate end title present on the expanded [promo?].

 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2013 - 5:23 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Well I like the "whole package". Didn't he orchestrate the classical pieces, or are they "library music"?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2013 - 5:46 PM   
 By:   crogrr   (Member)

I too have the Old World Music CD purchased at Aron's in LA in 1994 for $31.98! (1813 of 2000). The last page credits indicate "Original Music Composed and Conducted by Trevor Jones. Additional Music by Richard Wagner, The London Philharmonic Orchestra conducted by Norman Del Mar; and Carl Orff, the Liepzig Radio Symphony Orchestra and Chorus conducted by Herbert Kegel". The liner notes indicated that at least the Wagner sessions were a re-record for the film. The sound on the CD is stereo and quite nice.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2013 - 6:06 PM   
 By:   Jon Lewis   (Member)

The Orff is probably taken from the Kegel recording I have of the complete work, on the Eterna label.

Jones' recent miniseries OST, Labyrinth, is on his own label, right? Perhaps if it does well he'll be encouraged to release his old material. The new thing is well worth having in its own right anyway.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2013 - 6:27 PM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

Didn't he orchestrate the classical pieces . . .?

!

 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2013 - 6:45 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Didn't he orchestrate the classical pieces . . .?

!


You know what I meant! roll eyes

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2013 - 7:10 PM   
 By:   crogrr   (Member)

There is no notation on orchestration for the Wagner/Orff pieces in the liner notes/cover.

 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2013 - 7:18 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Jones talked some about the film in an interview, but doesn't say if he did the arrangements; his reply seems to suggest he did not and it was already choen before he came in:
http://cnmsarchive.wordpress.com/2013/06/11/trevor-jones/ (apparently the new home of RunMovies.eu)


His memory seems to be fuzzy. He states he did around 45 minutes of score for the film. The expanded edition, which contains only his score, is just over 66 minutes, with two alternates. Even if you minus those two alternates, its still about 61 minutes.

Is that not complete?

 
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