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 Posted:   Jul 24, 2013 - 12:55 PM   
 By:   Stefancos   (Member)

All this back and forth between LLL and Perseverance has made me wondering. What's a good, reliable and impartial source to find out of a particular release is legit or not?

 
 Posted:   Jul 24, 2013 - 12:58 PM   
 By:   mstrox   (Member)

If you send me a free copy of any release, I will tell you whether or not it is legal. This is the only way to be sure.

 
 Posted:   Jul 24, 2013 - 1:01 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

If you send me a free copy of any release, I will tell you whether or not it is legal. This is the only way to be sure.

I also offer verification services*.


* = all CD's non returnable and become property of the verifier.

 
 Posted:   Jul 24, 2013 - 1:04 PM   
 By:   Entr'acte   (Member)

I usually check Soundtrek Collector - they list official releases and bootlegs.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 24, 2013 - 2:02 PM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

All Movie Guide, All Music Guide, lists releases.

 
 Posted:   Jul 24, 2013 - 2:24 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

I usually check Soundtrek Collector - they list official releases and bootlegs.

SoundtrackCollector.com

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 24, 2013 - 2:25 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Discogs is a valuable reference tool, however I use it mainly for non-score info. I don't know how comprehensive their filmscore database is.

(And, as the recent "Miami Vice Collection" thread shows, they are not always accurate.)

 
 Posted:   Jul 24, 2013 - 5:24 PM   
 By:   Adm Naismith   (Member)

soundtrackcollector.com is a remarkable resource. You can even catalog your collection there.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 24, 2013 - 6:25 PM   
 By:   rickO   (Member)

I don't know how ever to completely know, but I could confidently shout from a mountaintop that the following companies have always released, and will always release legally:

Intrada
Varese Sarabande
La La Land Records
Film Score Monthly (retired)

The only reason I know is because they have a long standing history, and are well regarded by just about everybody. They wouldn't still be around if they didn't know what they were doing. Doug Fake, Robert Townson, MV Gerhardt, Matt Verboys, and Lukas Kendall have high standards as do their product. I would be surprised to see "bootlegger" used in a sentence with these guys. There are some other labels that don't have the same respect due to questionable practices (we all know who they are). I never see that happening within the four labels mentioned above and I don't think we ever will!

-Rick O.

 
 Posted:   Jul 24, 2013 - 11:32 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

I don't know how ever to completely know, but I could confidently shout from a mountaintop that the following companies have always released, and will always release legally:

Intrada
Varese Sarabande
La La Land Records
Film Score Monthly (retired)

The only reason I know is because they have a long standing history, and are well regarded by just about everybody. They wouldn't still be around if they didn't know what they were doing. Doug Fake, Robert Townson, MV Gerhardt, Matt Verboys, and Lukas Kendall have high standards as do their product. I would be surprised to see "bootlegger" used in a sentence with these guys. There are some other labels that don't have the same respect due to questionable practices (we all know who they are). I never see that happening within the four labels mentioned above and I don't think we ever will!

-Rick O.


That's all true, and I was going to say "It goes without saying!", but it's always possible for a new guy to join the board and not know what these labels represent.

I would go a step further in what you were saying: The above CD producers, and I would add Bruce Kimmel of Kritzerland (haineshisway), can be sources of information when a release is of uncertain provenance. Sometimes they will know that a release is not legit and they'll say so when the subject comes up.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 25, 2013 - 5:26 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

I don't think it should be the consumer's responsibility to worry about such things. If a producer of an illegal product can make it all the way down the chain from obtaining the music to placing an LP or CD into my hands, c'est la vie.

 
 Posted:   Jul 25, 2013 - 5:30 AM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

Yeah! The consumer has no culpability for his or her consumption! It's not on us to investigate the products we consume but on someone else to make sure that only the right products make their way to us!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 25, 2013 - 5:39 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Exactly. There are too many record labels. I have no idea what went down along the way. Frankly, what proof do any of us have that ANY of the CDs discussed here are "legal?" Have we read the contracts? It's a leap of faith.

Obviously, if I see an LP or CD with blurry, xeroxed B&W cover and a white label, I will know better than to buy it, unless the price is right and it's not otherwise unavailable.

But beyond that, I don't have time to worry about it. The endless whining about Harkit and the EU labels that I see here is amusing.

 
 Posted:   Jul 25, 2013 - 5:56 AM   
 By:   Juan Carlos García Cortés   (Member)

I don't know how ever to completely know, but I could confidently shout from a mountaintop that the following companies have always released, and will always release legally:

Intrada
Varese Sarabande
La La Land Records
Film Score Monthly (retired)

The only reason I know is because they have a long standing history, and are well regarded by just about everybody. They wouldn't still be around if they didn't know what they were doing. Doug Fake, Robert Townson, MV Gerhardt, Matt Verboys, and Lukas Kendall have high standards as do their product. I would be surprised to see "bootlegger" used in a sentence with these guys. There are some other labels that don't have the same respect due to questionable practices (we all know who they are). I never see that happening within the four labels mentioned above and I don't think we ever will!

-Rick O.


Why didn't you include in that list to Quartet or Kritzerland? I think that all their editions are legal.

 
 Posted:   Jul 25, 2013 - 6:31 AM   
 By:   bdm   (Member)

Sometimes it comes down to where you are; the board is based in the US, and subject to US laws, and labels in the US are subject to US laws, while those of us not in the US, and labels not in the US are not subject to US laws, but the laws of where we are, so some releases would be illegal in the US, but legal where we are.

iTunes is a classic example of this, as those in the US have access to files those out of the "continental boundaries" do not, while those in Canada, UK, Europe, Japan, etc, have access to files those in the US do not; some are illegal there but not here, and illegal here but not there... All comes down to licencing and copyright laws of the various jurisdictions.

As this board is based in the US, and subject to US laws, the proprietor has asked those not in the US to respect that the board is, and the US labels deal with the US companies to license product, and ask us to respect that as well, which is fair game; so sometimes the argument of "legit or not" is just pointless here, as when we post here, we agree to abide by "the rules" here, while other boards in other jurisdictions could have different rules, regulations, and definitions.

In the old days, usually a CDR in the case, and some rather mundane artwork, and no liner notes, and poor sound quality were the giveaways. But now some legit releases are on CDRs, and have mundane artwork, no liner notes, and the sound quality is what it is due to the conditions of the tapes, while a non-legit item has a pressed CD, fantastic artwork, some liner notes, and good sound - ah, the wonders and terrors of the internet.

As to how to find out? The above suggestions make sense, with the above caveat for location.

 
 Posted:   Jul 25, 2013 - 6:31 AM   
 By:   Warlok   (Member)

Call the local outlet of your country`s national security agency and upon pertinent mention they will IMMEDIATELY transfer you to their Soundtrack Verification investigative division.

Detectives are standing by.

 
 Posted:   Jul 25, 2013 - 6:40 AM   
 By:   Stefancos   (Member)

I don't know how ever to completely know, but I could confidently shout from a mountaintop that the following companies have always released, and will always release legally:

Intrada
Varese Sarabande
La La Land Records
Film Score Monthly (retired)

The only reason I know is because they have a long standing history, and are well regarded by just about everybody. They wouldn't still be around if they didn't know what they were doing. Doug Fake, Robert Townson, MV Gerhardt, Matt Verboys, and Lukas Kendall have high standards as do their product. I would be surprised to see "bootlegger" used in a sentence with these guys. There are some other labels that don't have the same respect due to questionable practices (we all know who they are). I never see that happening within the four labels mentioned above and I don't think we ever will!

-Rick O.


True. But Intrada is a very reputable label also. Yet they released Your Sherlock Holmes years ago, and it turned out that there was a licensing issue.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 25, 2013 - 11:38 AM   
 By:   Tobias   (Member)

Exactly. There are too many record labels.

Say what???

In this little world of film scores we should not complain. We should be greatful for everyone who is in that business, they do it for us (and the fact that they like us love film music) so compared to every other music styles and the record labels in those areas I doubt that there are too many record labels.

Instead of "making sure Perseverance Records is going down" as some people apparently have said I hope that they solve it in other ways.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 25, 2013 - 4:15 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)



Say what???

In this little world of film scores we should not complain. We should be greatful for everyone who is in that business, they do it for us (and the fact that they like us love film music) so compared to every other music styles and the record labels in those areas I doubt that there are too many record labels.

Instead of "making sure Perseverance Records is going down" as some people apparently have said I hope that they solve it in other ways.


Respectfully, you have taken my quote out of context and twisted my meaning. You may want to read further back in thread.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 25, 2013 - 4:52 PM   
 By:   manderley   (Member)

All this back and forth between LLL and Perseverance has made me wondering. What's a good, reliable and impartial source to find out of a particular release is legit or not?


1- Fill an eyedropper with a small quantity of acid. smile

2- Deposit several drops of the acid on each of the playing surfaces of the two discs you wish to compare. smile

3- The disc whose surface bubbles and deteriorates is the bootleg, the good disc only oxidizes. You can, thus, tell which is the bootleg. If you are on a tropical island and a TSUNAMI rolls in, you can throw the bootleg into the water and it will wash away. smile

4- Unfortunately, after your testing, the good disc is also ruined from the oxidation, but now that you know which is the good disc, you can easily pick up another one like it and throw that test disc in the trash or try to sell it on eBay. smile

big grin

 
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