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 Posted:   Sep 5, 2013 - 2:32 PM   
 By:   deglialberi   (Member)

The sound on my CD is so poor that I'm convinced it's mastered from a low resolution mp3. The bass is massively brickwalled and so heavy - even when just bass cellos are playing - that the whole room shakes. There's no real definition or softness to the strings, just a watery, harsh sound. Totally unlistenable.

Anyone else have a lousy sounding CD of this score? I'm crushed.

-Ned

 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2013 - 3:18 PM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

Thanks Zod!

YOR tought your CD was calling you names or something worst!

Do not scare YOR like that again!

 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2013 - 3:33 PM   
 By:   Urs Lesse   (Member)

Is it a pressed CD or an on-demand Amazon CD-R?

 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2013 - 4:09 PM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

Wow!

It is not everyday that Morricone himself apears to check his CDs quality!

That's good stuff, maestro!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2013 - 4:15 PM   
 By:   deglialberi   (Member)

Is it a pressed CD or an on-demand Amazon CD-R?

Thank you for asking. It's the Italian pressed CD on Warner Music. Bought it from SAE right after it came out but set it aside for when I had time to give it my full attention. I gave it two listens a week apart just to be certain. Then I played another recent Morricone score to compare and it was night and day.

-Ned

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2013 - 4:17 PM   
 By:   deglialberi   (Member)

Thanks Zod!

YOR tought your CD was calling you names or something worst!

Do not scare YOR like that again!



Sorry about that, Yor. You hunters are so sensitive. Sheesh.

-Ned (or Nor, if you prefer).

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2013 - 4:17 PM   
 By:   deglialberi   (Member)

smile

 
 Posted:   Sep 6, 2013 - 2:39 AM   
 By:   Thomas   (Member)

Thank you for asking. It's the Italian pressed CD on Warner Music. Bought it from SAE right after it came out but set it aside for when I had time to give it my full attention. I gave it two listens a week apart just to be certain. Then I played another recent Morricone score to compare and it was night and day.

I have this release as well, fine score. I haven't noticed anything untoward with it myself, it sounds fine to me. Doesn't sound much different to any other recent releases I've bought. Certainly not unlistenable. Is it possible you have a defective disc?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 6, 2013 - 6:34 AM   
 By:   deglialberi   (Member)


I have this release as well, fine score. I haven't noticed anything untoward with it myself, it sounds fine to me. Doesn't sound much different to any other recent releases I've bought. Certainly not unlistenable. Is it possible you have a defective disc?


I guess it's possible but I wouldn't know how to describe the defect other than it plays perfectly but I can't stand the sound of it. My fear is that someone listening to it on a laptop might think it sounds fine. They wouldn't hear the exaggerated bass or the overall low resolution. But I listen on a pretty good system and whatever is wrong with it is magnified. Let me put it this way, the CD sounds closer to Varese's Planet of the Apes (recorded in 1968) than a new, digital recording. There are plenty of people who would say that Planet of the Apes sounds just fine to them.

Wasn't there a recent Silvestri score CD that people thought was mastered from an mp3?

(It's always particularly painful for me to report on a poor-sounding Morricone disc. To say I love his music is the understatement of the decade. This is in no way any comment on the music itself.)

-Ned

 
 Posted:   Sep 6, 2013 - 6:45 AM   
 By:   Thomas   (Member)

I don't listen to music on a laptop either, so that's certainly not the case here. I just haven't really noticed much wrong with the sound, but maybe your equipment is more top of the range than mine.

For what it's worth, the worst sounding Morricone release I have is 'Hundra' on the Laserlight label (I missed the Prometheus release). Absolutely terrible.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 7, 2013 - 8:40 AM   
 By:   TomD   (Member)

I agree that the basses sound exaggerated, especially on the first track, from what you might expect, but I hear no defect. (I use Klipsch speakers with a small sub-woofer). I presume that it sounds like Morricone wanted it to sound, which is probably not warm and cozy, since the story is about obsession and repression. Edda's voice is more distant and cooler than usual too.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 7, 2013 - 9:51 AM   
 By:   deglialberi   (Member)

I agree that the basses sound exaggerated, especially on the first track, from what you might expect, but I hear no defect. (I use Klipsch speakers with a small sub-woofer). I presume that it sounds like Morricone wanted it to sound, which is probably not warm and cozy, since the story is about obsession and repression. Edda's voice is more distant and cooler than usual too.

I appreciate your response very much. I'm just convinced this mastering can't be intentional. Again, the more I listen to it the more I'm convinced it's taken from an mp3. It's a lousy position to be in - loving Morricone's music and hating the way it has been presented.

-Ned

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 7, 2013 - 11:07 AM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

...

For what it's worth, the worst sounding Morricone release I have is 'Hundra' on the Laserlight label (I missed the Prometheus release). Absolutely terrible.


Off-topic:
Don't worry ... both releases sound the same to me! At least the Prometheus release has a better sleeve/booklet.

And far worse, sound-wise, is the release of Danger: Diabolik on the Sycodelic label.

And if you had the ViviMusica release of Il Mercenario (coupled with Faccia a Faccia) you wouldn't complain about any other legitimate release! smile And, of course, many of the Legend label releases leave you wondering just what have they done ... ?

I've yet to hear/get a copy of La Migliore Offerta ...

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 7, 2013 - 11:32 AM   
 By:   deglialberi   (Member)

I should be a tad clearer here. I don't find the bass strings too loud - that's certainly part of Morricone's wonderful arrangement. The issue is that there is a SUB-BASS element that wouldn't be heard on a smaller system. That low bass wouldn't be reproduced. In a mastering studio, ALL frequencies are monitored both by ear AND by a visual graph to avoid these kinds of issues. But I've personally witnessed people mastering on small speakers and not even looking at a spectrum analyzer to check the overall balance of frequencies. I've even seen TV commercials mastered on Mac laptops. That's why I treasure the work of mastering engineers such as Joe Gastwirt who've always done a fantastic job at making digitally mastered music sound like, uh, MUSIC.

As far as the other CDs mentioned and their poor sound, that's due to the inferior SOURCE that was used in making the CD. If memory serves, Hundra was taken from a cassette - and possibly a second generation one at that. The Legend label occasionally used scratchy Lps to make some of their CD releases. The source of this new Morricone score is a pristine digital recording by the MORE than capable Fabio Venturi who has done some great work. So I'm shaking my head on this one.

-Ned

 
 Posted:   Sep 7, 2013 - 12:22 PM   
 By:   Urs Lesse   (Member)

Your concern has now been posted by someone else on the Morricone board: http://www.enniomorricone.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=846&p=5662&sid=d9eb794662c23f25a561aa63f2da9010#p5662

Maybe others will contribute there, I cannot (haven't got the CD).

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 7, 2013 - 12:37 PM   
 By:   deglialberi   (Member)

The mastering was done at Rome's Revolver Studio which is certainly legit. I simply cannot accept that this CD passed QC or that this is what the Maestro and Mr. Venturi wanted. Not only did I play the CD repeatedly but I checked it against various other soundtracks on Varese, Milan, Intrada and numerous other recent Morricone scores such as Cefalonia (beautifully mastered) and Gino Bartali - l'Intramontabile (again, just great-sounding) and The Unknown Woman. The only other Morricone CD I've had any real issue with recently was Baarìa which I thought was mastered too loudly for my taste. But they're all light years ahead of La Migliore Offerta. I just don't know what to say. When I play it for others they just cringe, too.

-Ned

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 7, 2013 - 1:08 PM   
 By:   TomD   (Member)

Back in the early days of CDs (mid-80s), some CDs would play back poorly on some players. I was always skeptical of this claim, until I got one that sounded unlistenably shrill on my first player, and perfectly normal on my new one. Have you tried playing your CD on another player?

The recording of La Migliore Offereta sounds very "digital" to me, that is, cold and clinical, lacking in warmth (as music fans used to complain), but there is no hint of any kind of defect. I have no idea if it is possible that you could have gotten some poorly counterfeited copy of the album.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 7, 2013 - 1:49 PM   
 By:   Mathias   (Member)

The mastering was done at Rome's Revolver Studio which is certainly legit. I simply cannot accept that this CD passed QC or that this is what the Maestro and Mr. Venturi wanted. Not only did I play the CD repeatedly but I checked it against various other soundtracks on Varese, Milan, Intrada and numerous other recent Morricone scores such as Cefalonia (beautifully mastered) and Gino Bartali - l'Intramontabile (again, just great-sounding) and The Unknown Woman. The only other Morricone CD I've had any real issue with recently was Baarìa which I thought was mastered too loudly for my taste. But they're all light years ahead of La Migliore Offerta. I just don't know what to say. When I play it for others they just cringe, too.

-Ned


Hi! I haven´t got the same problem as you seem to have, but I think I can understand what you mean. I know that you don´t want to call the bass strings loud, but my I´m afraid that my English is to poor and I can´t find another word to describe it. You mention Baaria(great score) and it´s a score where I also can hear the loud sound. Another score where I certainly don´t like the sound is the Exorcist II- The Heretic(Warner) I love Regan´s theme but the sound on that theme kind of hurt my ears. There is to much echo or surround sound or what you may call it. I have a lp-transfer cd of that score and while the sound on that definitely is poor compared to the Warner cd it is also definitely nicer to your ears. I haven´t got the Perseverance cd so I don´t know if the sound is the same on that edition.

Mathias

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 8, 2013 - 7:16 AM   
 By:   deglialberi   (Member)

Back in the early days of CDs (mid-80s), some CDs would play back poorly on some players. I was always skeptical of this claim, until I got one that sounded unlistenably shrill on my first player, and perfectly normal on my new one. Have you tried playing your CD on another player?

The recording of La Migliore Offereta sounds very "digital" to me, that is, cold and clinical, lacking in warmth (as music fans used to complain), but there is no hint of any kind of defect. I have no idea if it is possible that you could have gotten some poorly counterfeited copy of the album.


Good point - I did wonder about the possibility of a boot. Another thought crossed my mind. In this era, looking for a soundtrack on Amazon, for instance, one's search will come up with the mp3 version before being lead to the CD version. That's just how things are today. So we know that music companies have both CD masters and mp3 versions floating around simultaneously. I would think that the accidental chances of pressing a CD from an mp3 would be somewhat greater. (AND it allows bootleggers to easily press CDs from an mp3 source more readily. BUT why go the trouble and expense of reprinting all those graphics, including the clear, plastic tray, in such perfect detail - so I'm not sure this is the answer). So, I met with another audiophile yesterday evening and had him assess the disc. He instantly thought it was from an mp3. It's possible that early pressings were flawed and then corrected not long after. I may have one of the flawed ones. Well, it's a theory, anyway.

-Ned

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 8, 2013 - 7:17 AM   
 By:   deglialberi   (Member)

Back in the early days of CDs (mid-80s), some CDs would play back poorly on some players. I was always skeptical of this claim, until I got one that sounded unlistenably shrill on my first player, and perfectly normal on my new one. Have you tried playing your CD on another player?

The recording of La Migliore Offereta sounds very "digital" to me, that is, cold and clinical, lacking in warmth (as music fans used to complain), but there is no hint of any kind of defect. I have no idea if it is possible that you could have gotten some poorly counterfeited copy of the album.


Good point - I did wonder about the possibility of a boot. Another thought crossed my mind. In this era, looking for a soundtrack on Amazon, for instance, one's search will come up with the mp3 version before being lead to the CD version. That's just how things are these days. So we know that music companies have both CD masters and mp3 versions floating around simultaneously. I would think that the accidental chances of pressing a CD from an mp3 would be somewhat greater now. (AND it allows bootleggers to easily press CDs from an mp3 source more readily. BUT why go the trouble and expense of reprinting all those graphics, including the clear, plastic tray, in such perfect detail - so I'm not sure this is the answer). So, I met with another audiophile yesterday evening and had him assess the disc. He instantly thought it was from an mp3. It's possible that early pressings were flawed and then corrected not long after. I may have one of the flawed ones. Well, it's a theory, anyway.

-Ned

 
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