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This is a comments thread about FSM CD: Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
 
 Posted:   May 24, 2010 - 11:32 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)


But he's also smart enough to know that the "customer base" is, in fact, a few thousand people with a wide variety of preferences. And only a small percentage of them post here. And I see no reason to believe we're any sort of cross-section of the people who actually buy the CDs. So when a half-dozen people here express outrage that this wasn't produced in the exact way they wanted, Lukas should indeed take note, but he'd be very, very foolish to put too much stock in it.


Well as Lukas said, if he did it the other way, a different set would be bitching. He DID seem to be open to the possibility of it, or whatnot. Personally, I'd have prefered a 2CD with JUST the alternate versions (and silly remix), as that would be optimal, yes even if it means only 93 minutes vs. 117. Maybe I'm alone there, I dunno.
It'd be interesting to see how this sells vs STII though (though, I'm pretty sure STII is a much more liked film too, so there's also THAT to consider in such a comparison)

 
 Posted:   May 25, 2010 - 1:43 AM   
 By:   Grimsdyke   (Member)

 
 
 Posted:   May 25, 2010 - 1:53 AM   
 By:   Marcato   (Member)

there are ABSOLUTELY NO DIALOGUE whatsoever on ST III album

Wow!

Excellent news and a thoughtful way of giving everyone the film and album versions of compositions.

Love the striking new artwork too.

One question: the back cover states "Dialogue Snippets © 1984 Paramount Pictures." Is there dialog? The back cover of the TREK II disc does not mention dialog yet retains the original Nimoy voice over.

Cheers
Chris



Could it be the written dialogue on the beack cover for trek 3



and - now i don't have the original cue sheet BUT - what if it was Horner's intenstion to have the dialogue there - We see in muc newe music that there are Dialogue over the music that are Supposed to be there - A dialogue can also be music


Try listen to a match on stadium - when all people are whining with these high sound it creates something - everytime i hear this i think it sounds like the high string in ALIEN - it reminds me of them

 
 
 Posted:   May 25, 2010 - 2:27 AM   
 By:   Lord Kruge of The West   (Member)

OMG! I was so hoping for this with the earlier release of Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, it is truly one of James Horner`s greatest scores, and in an era where I personally feel he is not at the top of his game anymore (and I say that with a heavy heart), it assumes a new relevance. The greatest things about it - The inclusion of the Genesis sunset music, and particularly The music for the death of The Enterprise, with that opening roll on the Timpani, as the ship seemingly fights to stay in the sky, before burning up in the Genesis planet`s atmosphere as the theme for the ship (heard prominently earlier in the film as the Enterprise returns to spacedock for the last time) plays in a slow variation on the strings. I will be in hog heaven come June 1st - a crying shame it was missed off the original album, I always thought.

 
 
 Posted:   May 25, 2010 - 3:19 AM   
 By:   Nicola   (Member)

OK, great new release and I will order it. AND…

... there are ABSOLUTELY NO DIALOGUE whatsoever on ST III album ...

Are we really sure? Because I well remember that portion of dialogue contained in Star Trek II - end credits - and I HATE it deeply! mad

Please NO dialogue into the film-music. NEVER!!



Nicola

 
 
 Posted:   May 25, 2010 - 3:55 AM   
 By:   Marcato   (Member)

OK, great new release and I will order it. AND…

... there are ABSOLUTELY NO DIALOGUE whatsoever on ST III album ...

Are we really sure? Because I well remember that portion of dialogue contained in Star Trek II - end credits - and I HATE it deeply! mad

Please NO dialogue into the film-music. NEVER!!



Nicola



What if i were a film composer and i decided that there should be dialogue in my music - as part of the music ?

what will you do ?

it's my work and i decides whereas this go dialogue free or not

 
 Posted:   May 25, 2010 - 4:14 AM   
 By:   Grimsdyke   (Member)

it's my work and i decides whereas this go dialogue free or not

Usually it is not your work but the property of the studio which produced the film.

 
 
 Posted:   May 25, 2010 - 4:55 AM   
 By:   Nicola   (Member)

What if i were a film composer and i decided that there should be dialogue in my music …

And not only! What if:
- The score must be incomplete
- The track listing does NOT have to follow the chronological order of the movie
- The CD must contain the “original” version of the score and not the film version
...

… it's my work and i decides whereas this go dialogue free or not …

If so, dear composer, listen to your music at your home and much better if the CD will be produced by other persons.



Nicola

 
 
 Posted:   May 25, 2010 - 4:56 AM   
 By:   Marcato   (Member)

What if i were a film composer and i decided that there should be dialogue in my music …

And not only! What if:
- The score must be incomplete
- The track listing does NOT have to follow the chronological order of the movie
- The CD must contain the “original” version of the score and not the film version
...

… it's my work and i decides whereas this go dialogue free or not …

If so, dear composer, listen to your music at your home and much better if the CD will be produced by other persons.



Nicola



Nope - the music presentations is the way i want to present it wink

 
 
 Posted:   May 25, 2010 - 4:58 AM   
 By:   Marcato   (Member)

it's my work and i decides whereas this go dialogue free or not

Usually it is not your work but the property of the studio which produced the film.



not anylonger - IF this happens to me every contract i sign will have a notice that says that i will own the music - the studio borrows the music from me to teir film - i alone decides what happens with the music wink

It's about time somebody stand up and claims the ownership to their own music wink

 
 
 Posted:   May 25, 2010 - 4:59 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

What if i were a film composer and i decided that there should be dialogue in my music - as part of the music ?
what will you do ?
it's my work and i decides whereas this go dialogue free or not


It's not so much the "composer" who would decide to include dialogue, but the "album producer". However, the role of album producer is often performed by the composer.

So James Horner the composer wouldn't have decided to include Spock's narration as part of his music, although he would have composed his music around it. But James Horner the album producer decided to include it on the Star Trek II album recording.

Some album producers include dialogue a LOT in their recordings - Simon Boswell and Trevor Jones spring to mind.

 
 
 Posted:   May 25, 2010 - 5:00 AM   
 By:   Nicola   (Member)

... - the music presentations is the way i want to present it wink

Then I will kill you! mad



Nicola

 
 
 Posted:   May 25, 2010 - 5:21 AM   
 By:   Marcato   (Member)

... - the music presentations is the way i want to present it wink

Then I will kill you! mad



Nicola




Don't go fanboy ?

There are actual way better things to do than bitching about Dialogue

 
 
 Posted:   May 25, 2010 - 5:46 AM   
 By:   antipodean   (Member)

not anylonger - IF this happens to me every contract i sign will have a notice that says that i will own the music - the studio borrows the music from me to teir film - i alone decides what happens with the music wink

It's about time somebody stand up and claims the ownership to their own music wink


Many countries now have a law which automatically grants the author of a piece of work, be it music, writing, painting, photograph, etc, moral rights as the creator of that work. These rights include the right to attribution (to be identified as the author) and anonymity (the right not to be identified or identified under a "pen" name, e.g. films directed by "Alan Smithee"), and the right to integrity.

This means that the work cannot be altered or edited without your permission, and this is probably what you are referring to. However, this does not mean that the copyright or ownership of the work cannot be transferred, sold or licensed to another party. For example, a production company hires a composer to write a score for a film. The completed score becomes the property of and its copyright now vests in the production company; the composer does not "own" the music anymore. If the production company then decides to license the music to a soundtrack label or sell it as downloads-only, that may be a decision which is completely out of the composer's hands.

 
 
 Posted:   May 25, 2010 - 6:06 AM   
 By:   Robert0320   (Member)

I'm not a big Horner fan. I have the original ST on both LP and CD. I ordered FSM's 2 CD set. Why? I love the Trek films, it's one of Hroner's best works along with Trek II and I like to support FSM. Have been from the beginning. Sure, they have released some titles I jusy don't care for and I don't purchase them. I also don't rant abour why I won't buy this one or that. My grail list is soemone else's garbage and vice versa.

 
 
 Posted:   May 25, 2010 - 6:15 AM   
 By:   soundwave   (Member)

Landstander, the word on the street is that STAR TREK V is coming from another label.
...


The ost is in CBS and is in print
hopefully that wont be an impediment to a remaster
fingers crossed
bruce


What about CBS? Per Lukas in one of the Star Trek II threads from last year, Treks I and V are owned by Sony. They are indeed still in print and also available on iTunes... which I hope doesn't complicate things! smile

The way the companies are structured, CBS owns everything Trek-related, except for the films which are still Paramount (I think).


Quick Clarification:

ALL TV SERIES - GNP has rights in perp to the music they released (Universal has the Enterprise rights to the music they released). CBS has all other rights to any and all unreleased music.

ST TMP - Sony... Paramount... Sony.... Paramount.... Sony.... Paramount.... Mommie make it stop!

ST II Kahn - WEA/Paramount (on FSM)

ST III Spock - Capital/Paramount (on FSM)

ST IV: Voyage - MCA/Paramount

ST V: Frontier - Sony/Paramount

ST VI: Country - MCA/Paramount

ST Generations - GNP/Paramount

ST First Contact - GNP/Paramount

ST Insurrection - GNP/Paramount

ST Nemesis - Varese/Paramount

So, in other words if a third party comes into play they have to take both beauties to the ball...one for each arm. wink

MV

PS Do not rely on iTunes for in print/out of print information. Sometimes the right hand does not know what the left hand is doing... and vice versa


I found this on Wikipedia regarding MCA Records:

MCA Records was absorbed by Geffen Records in 2003. MCA's Nashville label, MCA Nashville Records, is a still active imprint of Universal Music Group Nashville.

I hope this won't be a problem with a possible complete Trek VI sdtk (including Eidelman's original trailer music.)

Sorry to get off topic. Looking forward to getting Trek III in early June!

 
 Posted:   May 25, 2010 - 7:38 AM   
 By:   FilmMusicFan   (Member)


What if i were a film composer and i decided that there should be dialogue in my music - as part of the music ?

what will you do ?

it's my work and i decides whereas this go dialogue free or not


You are right, but the thing is very often some Producers decide to have dialogue in the score like it happened with The Grinch ... I am sure James Horner didn't want to have any dialogue in his score, otherwise he would have put some on his promo release as well.

And I am not sure, if it was really Hans Zimmer's idea to have dialogue on Hannibal. Thank God the European Version of John Williams' Angela's Ashes had no dialogue at all big grin

But in the case of Star Trek II I did not mind the dialogue in the End Credits ... somehow it had a kind of charm for me.


 
 Posted:   May 25, 2010 - 8:03 AM   
 By:   SheriffJoe   (Member)

Ordered. Of course.

SheriffJoe

 
 Posted:   May 25, 2010 - 8:09 AM   
 By:   Accidental Genius   (Member)

including the second disc is a waste, and inconsistent with the ST 2 release.

It's also inconsistent with the "Mutiny on the Bounty" release, which had three discs. What are they doing to us?!


Schiffy, that's my laugh for the day. And as I type "LOL" I actually did laugh out loud.

I am so looking forward to this CD. Entirely appropriate and I'm so happy we don't have to wait until ComicCon, which is when I think we all thought we were getting it. Thanks, FSM! (And thanks SchiffyM for the laugh of the day!)

 
 
 Posted:   May 25, 2010 - 8:19 AM   
 By:   guest   (Member)



Let me add my belated congrats to Lukas and the gang FSM, and everyone who worked on this project.


I have the original LP and GNP's CD, but I've always wanted a completed release of Horner's score. It is a perfect follow up to TWOK.

Since there are some obvious differences in the cues that appeared in the film compared to the original album, I appreciate that Lukas chose to give us both versions.

 
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