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 Posted:   Dec 20, 2012 - 7:50 AM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

Trek definitely tracked music from previous seasons--there's music from "Conscience of the King" in "A Piece of the Action" and "Ruk Protect" from "What Are Little Girls Made Of?" is tracked into "The Cloud Minders" and "The Savage Curtain"--that's in addition to the other examples listed above. Not sure why it happened or how they got away with it since these cues were never rerecorded as library cues.

 
 Posted:   Dec 20, 2012 - 8:05 AM   
 By:   Scott M (Oldsmith)   (Member)

I knew it wasn't missing, Scott--I'm sold on the completeness of the set! I was just making sure I hadn't missed a rerecording, even one that was then rejected in favor of going back to the original. I love the stingers also...I enjoy imagining the discussions that preceded their composition and recording..."We need something that can cover a nerve pinch, a phaser blast, someone being disintegrated, Kirk getting rapped in the head...make it kind of generic, ok?"

I wasn't picking on ya, it was a blanket statement. Some folks thought maybe a few seconds here or there might be MIA. I actually have one or two "where is this piece" sort of questions, but I haven't soaked up the whole box yet. I trust they're in there.

 
 Posted:   Dec 20, 2012 - 9:54 AM   
 By:   Heath   (Member)

How about posting an A/B example of your stereo-izing work, Heath?

I'd love to... but it would mean jail-time. wink



well don't even post the whole cue....just a section to hear what you've done.


It's a cool request, Charles, but I'm going to have to be a bit observant of the producers' sensibilities. After all, they nearly killed themselves for years to get this huge project done, and suddenly some schmuck comes along (me) claiming to have "improved" the sound in three seconds. I can hear a collective "F... You!" coming from Lukas, Neil, Jeff, et al. I wouldn't blame them either. big grin

I would put up a quick A/B, but only if I get a nod from the production team. However, I anticipate a resounding silence on this one. wink

Besides, the tracks are mixed for my ears. Other ears may squirm at the results... if indeed ears can squirm.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 20, 2012 - 12:21 PM   
 By:   DarthBrett   (Member)

Thanks for the info, guys! D'oh! I think I skipped those two trailer cues since they weren't in the actual episodes...or so I thought!

 
 Posted:   Dec 20, 2012 - 2:39 PM   
 By:   Charles Thaxton   (Member)

Okay then Heath, how about some more Paul Dunlap re-creations?

 
 Posted:   Dec 20, 2012 - 4:38 PM   
 By:   Sigerson Holmes   (Member)

Besides, the tracks are mixed for my ears. Other ears may squirm at the results... if indeed ears can squirm.


 
 
 Posted:   Dec 21, 2012 - 12:57 AM   
 By:   stringbean   (Member)

I can't believe people would pay soooo much money for their lovingly created Star Trek box-set with all original music in it's original form and then totally destroy it by attempting to make fake stereo sounds from some of the tracks. The mind boggles. I could never ever do that!!

 
 Posted:   Dec 21, 2012 - 4:28 AM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

I can't believe people would pay soooo much money for their lovingly created Star Trek box-set with all original music in it's original form and then totally destroy it by attempting to make fake stereo sounds from some of the tracks. The mind boggles. I could never ever do that!!


It doesn't actually destroy it as long as you save the original CDs.

In theory, LLL could have offered a simulated-stereo version of the Collection, the way classic TV shows often have an alternate, colorized version of their DVD season box sets. I would have had to think long and hard about what I wanted if LLL had done that. But I'm loving the set as is, make no mistake!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 21, 2012 - 5:01 AM   
 By:   TPC   (Member)

After listening to the entire set, there's one piece of music I didn't hear. I can't seem to find the music from the very end of "Tribbles" where the Enterprise warps away. It's probably in there somewhere, but I just missed it.

This is definitely not a complaint! It has been amazing to rediscover all of the music I didn't know I remembered. Thanks, LLL!

 
 Posted:   Dec 21, 2012 - 6:38 AM   
 By:   Heath   (Member)

Okay then Heath, how about some more Paul Dunlap re-creations?

Okey dokey. End titles to Angry Red Planet coming right up!

Oh wait a minute.... I've run out of Mescalin. Well, that's the end of that.

 
 Posted:   Dec 21, 2012 - 6:57 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

I can't believe people would pay soooo much money for their lovingly created Star Trek box-set with all original music in it's original form and then totally destroy it by attempting to make fake stereo sounds from some of the tracks. The mind boggles. I could never ever do that!!

Your working with digital files. And you save it as a copy. How are you destroying anything? Also I don't see why LLL would be offended if one tries to make their own fake stereo tracks. It's no different than making your own playlists or editing tracks to fit ones personal taste.

 
 Posted:   Dec 21, 2012 - 7:10 AM   
 By:   Heath   (Member)

In theory, LLL could have offered a simulated-stereo version of the Collection, the way classic TV shows often have an alternate, colorized version of their DVD season box sets. I would have had to think long and hard about what I wanted if LLL had done that.

No, producers should never do that, IMO. Once these "stereoizations" are done and released, they can never be undone. Too many frequencies would have been mucked around with irreversibly.

Soundtracks, even older ones, should be released with their sonic character kept as close to the original source as possible (excluding a bit of noise reduction and repair work).

In the case of the Trek set, there's a wealth of pristine frequencies within the music which have been kept beautifully intact (great work by the remastering engineer there). This made it easier for me to tinker around with it for my personal pleasure. In fact the sonic integrity of those tracks is so good that it's actually quite difficult to screw up the sound.

So, original mono sound is best here. If fans want to "stereoize" the sound themselves then that's easy enough to do. You don't need expensive software. There are cheap and cheerful instant stereo fakers on the market like the little DFX plugin for PC/Mac media players. As long as the source material is in authentic mono, then at least listeners have the choice.

 
 Posted:   Dec 21, 2012 - 8:11 AM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

The end of "Tribbles" is "Godfathers" from "Friday's Child"--one of the all-time great Trek ending cues.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 21, 2012 - 8:18 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Okay then Heath, how about some more Paul Dunlap re-creations?

Okey dokey. End titles to Angry Red Planet coming right up!


I second the request, specifically to complete your re-recording of Dunlap's "Destructors." I heard part of your work and really enjoyed it. It's a huge improvement over the original!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 21, 2012 - 9:04 AM   
 By:   stringbean   (Member)



Your working with digital files. And you save it as a copy. How are you destroying anything?


Obviously I didn't mean actually 'Physically' destroying. Serious soundtrack collectors would never entertain the idea of listening to anything other than the original source material the way it was originally intended.

Also, serious collectors (of which I'm one), of classic film and TV shows would always prefer the original source material of mono audio and in B/W if that's how it was filmed rather than the fake colorised versions that are sometimes released.

 
 Posted:   Dec 21, 2012 - 9:41 AM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

Ah. No true Scotsman, it seems.

 
 Posted:   Dec 21, 2012 - 9:46 AM   
 By:   Scott M (Oldsmith)   (Member)

After listening to the entire set, there's one piece of music I didn't hear. I can't seem to find the music from the very end of "Tribbles" where the Enterprise warps away. It's probably in there somewhere, but I just missed it.


It's the end of Friday's Child.

 
 Posted:   Dec 21, 2012 - 9:50 AM   
 By:   Scott M (Oldsmith)   (Member)

. Serious soundtrack collectors would never entertain the idea of listening to anything other than the original source material the way it was originally intended.

Also, serious collectors (of which I'm one), of classic film and TV shows would always prefer the original source material of mono audio and in B/W if that's how it was filmed rather than the fake colorised versions that are sometimes released.


Emphasis mine. Remember, string, you can only speak for yourself.

Everyone listens the way they want to listen. "Serious" soundtrack collectors don't do things any one particular way. We buy 'em, like 'em and then sometimes make edits to enhance the listening experience for ourselves. I often make edits to cues to have them conform to a "film version" or a "TV edit" because it will match up to the way I originally heard it. To each his own. It doesn't make one person more or less "serious" about the music.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 21, 2012 - 12:09 PM   
 By:   TPC   (Member)

After listening to the entire set, there's one piece of music I didn't hear. I can't seem to find the music from the very end of "Tribbles" where the Enterprise warps away. It's probably in there somewhere, but I just missed it.


It's the end of Friday's Child.


Thought I just missed it. Thanks!

 
 Posted:   Dec 21, 2012 - 1:26 PM   
 By:   Scott M (Oldsmith)   (Member)

No problemo.

 
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