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Apr 17, 2013 - 6:01 PM
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Octoberman
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I'm sure they read it. But it would be very foolish indeed to make business decisions based on it. The number of people who will do this are very, very small and represent only a small fraction of who they'll need to buy a CD in order for them to make money. And people here often clamor for discs that sell poorly. The only way they have to gauge actual interest is sales. Perhaps. I have no doubt that is one of the factors. Perhaps even the only one, as you say. What I am saying in a nutshell is MAYBE they do something because of "this", or MAYBE they do something because of "that". Many reasons are possible. Very few people present here actually know for sure and then state it as being so. How many people do you suppose bought the basic edition and then contacted Varese to say, "Hey, I wanna buy it twice! How about it?"? In all likelihood, I would suppose there were quite a few, but that doesn't mean it was the only criteria used in making that decision, does it? Does it not strike you that there is, in the realm of possibility, a bunch of people that conveyed to Varese their desire to buy ONLY an expanded edition? Unless you can disprove the possibility, then this is going in circles.
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The creators lied about ST09 Huh? Supppsedly ST09 followed on from TOS and TNG (then looped back in time). From the first frame and the sight of the Kelvin, I feel that was not true and that they tried to placate long-time fans to accept their reboot/remake.
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Apr 17, 2013 - 6:15 PM
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SchiffyM
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Does it not strike you that there is, in the realm of possibility, a bunch of people that conveyed to Varese their desire to buy ONLY an expanded edition? I realize I must seem incredibly -- infuriatingly -- obstinate to you when I say that, in the realm of possibility, there may have been such people, but that this would not have done any good. I do not work in the soundtrack business (though I have friends who do), but I do work in the television business. So I can tell you this: I've done shows that have been released on DVD. The producer of those DVDs told me that one problem they had (this was five years ago) was that when the first couple of seasons of an old series sold poorly, they would back burner or entirely stop producing further seasons. And then, inevitably, they'd get letters from people who insisted they would only buy the early seasons once all seasons were released -- that is, they had a desire to buy ONLY a complete series. But the few times they tried this, and released all seasons despite poor early sales, the release of the complete series did absolutely nothing to boost sales, despite the letters. It's not that businesses ignore the hopes of their customers. It's that they can't afford to go with promises instead of actual sales. Is there anything other than sales in the mix? Sure, there's the passion of somebody who really wants something released. This passion comes not from people conveying what they'd like to buy, but from a producer or a composer who believes in the project. In this case, it was the good sales of the "Star Trek" CD combined with Giacchino's determination to get the whole thing released that made it happen. I'm sorry if you hate me.
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Yes, we've been discussing that trailer for 2 days here in this very thread.
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Just remember, that part of the reason we got a deluxe edition was that the original album was such a good seller for Varese! Be that as it may... personally, I'm not planning to buy any initial release of the Into Darkness score. Star Trek sells (the vast majority of the time, anyway). If Varese doesn't know that by now, I really don't know what to say to them other than I very much had hoped some other label would've acquired the rights to this score. I have no doubt that many dedicated Trek fans will buy the initial release, and that's great. Better their money than mine. I'd rather save mine for releases like the inevitable Into Darkness expansion that'll probably come out 2 or 3 months later, or the hinted at future Trek television release(s?) by LLL. You know what CD Varese lost a bundle on? "Star Trek Nemesis." Cost a lot, sold a little. And we haven't seen that expanded yet, have we? It was a poor representation of the score, and releasing it concurrently on SACD probably wasn't a very profitable decision either. It remains the only Trek score I don't own, and have no intention of buying at this point unless expanded. I've even passed over it when I came across it for a couple bucks at a local used music store.
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It was a poor representation of the score, and releasing it concurrently on SACD probably wasn't a very profitable decision either. It remains the only Trek score I don't own, and have no intention of buying at this point unless expanded. I've even passed over it when I came across it for a couple bucks at a local used music store. Isn't that the truth. With all due respect to the late Jerry Goldsmith, he picked some of the most mundane and repetitive cues for Nemesis's soundtrack. There are far better jewels yet to be released from that score. The score as a whole isn't bad, but I can't help but have this nagging feeling that in the last part of his life, this score in particular was partially ghostwritten.... the jump down between the great First Contact score, excellent Insurrection score and the so so Nemesis score is jarring. I've had that feeling for years. Also the "Mines of Remus" story cue is far better in the film than the version on the album.
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