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 Posted:   Jul 12, 2013 - 3:00 PM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

Wait...in what bizarro universe is The Rock considered a "decent" film? And you call others out on their tastes?



YOR likes facehugger a lot, but he has to agree with this!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 12, 2013 - 3:10 PM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)

I just give up.



 
 Posted:   Jul 12, 2013 - 3:23 PM   
 By:   pzfan   (Member)


Wait...in what bizarro universe is The Rock considered a "decent" film?


In THIS universe. Check IMDB or Rotten Tomatoes scores.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 12, 2013 - 5:18 PM   
 By:   facehugger   (Member)

Jerry Buckshaimmer or Bore Verbinskly dies...


Brukalzheimer used to make decent films like Crimson Tides and The Rock.



Wait...in what bizarro universe is The Rock considered a "decent" film? And you call others out on their tastes?




"Decent" as in "sometimes I just want to have a Big Mac and some beer"? Did I call it a "masterpiece" (like those with bad taste would do) and compare it to Schindler's List?

I also like Armageddon btw.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 12, 2013 - 5:27 PM   
 By:   facehugger   (Member)


YOR likes facehugger a lot, but he has to agree with this!


Come on YOR! If you don't like The Rock, then what 90's action film do you like?

Demolition Man (great score btw)?

But I agree The Rock has a horrible score. Even the power anthem which I used to like, sounds really cheesy and the electronic banging sounded just intolerable even 15 years ago.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 12, 2013 - 5:46 PM   
 By:   Morricone   (Member)

I just thought of a positive spin to all this boring Zimmer bashing.
While this has been going on, focusing on one target, there has not been one incident of boring Horner bashing.
Lesson learned, they are incapable of multi-tasking. Facile arguers move in swarms.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 12, 2013 - 5:59 PM   
 By:   facehugger   (Member)

I just thought of a positive spin to all this boring Zimmer bashing.
While this has been going on, focusing on one target, there has not been one incident of boring Horner bashing.
Lesson learned, they are incapable of multi-tasking. Facile arguers move in swarms.


Cure that blindness and go to the adjacent "Horner fired!" thread. Plenty of bashing for your enjoyment. --But unfortunately, you can't find any brain dead "fans" of Horner yelling gibberish, defending their master overlord "visionary" with toad tongues. (A perfect illustration of why Zimmer fanatics are the bane of human civilization.)

Therefore, no heated argument there. No argument, no hypocrites (e.g. You) adding oil on fire.

Here, mystery solved and explained in a fashion even you can understand.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 12, 2013 - 6:09 PM   
 By:   Morricone   (Member)

Well I really should have known better about a positive spin about anything here.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2013 - 3:35 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

Well I really should have known better about a positive spin about anything here.


Henry, you just walked into a bar fight - you might have expected a barstool over the head!

Let it burn itself out (if I may mix a metaphor). Nobody's going to change their minds and it's actually pretty entertaining for a neutral to watch.

 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2013 - 3:38 AM   
 By:   OnlyGoodMusic   (Member)

I just thought of a positive spin to all this boring Zimmer bashing.
While this has been going on, focusing on one target, there has not been one incident of boring Horner bashing.


That's because Horner, unlike Zimmer, isn't an illiterate. He's just a thief. At least he has his music history down pat, PLUS be he required to write an entirely original score on his own, and orchestrate it, Horner would be able to do it! He's just too lazy. 15 years from now he might wanna echo Elmer Bernstein: "I'm too old and too rich to give a shit". Zimmer, by comparison, is an industrious honey bee. Unfortunately he has about the same knowledge of music history as said honey bee.

 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2013 - 4:03 AM   
 By:   WillGoldNewtonBarryGrusin   (Member)

A new short summary of this thread:

Zimmer - still bad.

Horner - thief.

Many posters here - wise, respectful of film score history, would write much better scores than Zimmer or Horner themselves.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2013 - 5:01 AM   
 By:   Adam S   (Member)

Zimmer-bashing is so cliche that I'm surprised when people engage in it with the kind of relish and zealotry that would indicate they are coming up with a fresh new criticism that hasn't been heard a million times by both admirers and critics. There's plenty of room for thoughtful dissent and criticism where he is concerned but pity the person who finds it intolerable to come across people who really like the guy and appreciate some of his qualities. Turns out human beings are all different and music contains subjectivity. I find that reassuring even if turns others into angry, foul-mouthed crusaders. As for Yor, though his posts often contain the word, "Zimmer", his true subject for which he is most interested in is "Yor" and he would happily see a thread go down the tubes if it meant we were all focusing on him. If ever there was commentary to be taken with a grain of salt it would be his. Just my 2 cents...

- Adam

 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2013 - 9:30 AM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)

1) Hans is a visionary. But his visions are nothing but PR bull (like his claim that only Johnny Marr could play the guitar for Inception).

I've largely stayed absent from this drivel of a thread but I do want to point out something about this. If you've listened to music you can perhaps hear certain styles which individual musicians bring to whatever output it is that they have. Johnny Marr has a particular style. It was for this style that Zimmer wrote the Inception guitar riffs. So, in that sense, yes it was only Marr who could play those parts. Because they were written for him and the budget allowed them to wrangle him in.

Call it "PR bull" if you'd like though. Obviously I won't stop you from that.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2013 - 9:35 AM   
 By:   Morricone   (Member)

Well I really should have known better about a positive spin about anything here.


Henry, you just walked into a bar fight - you might have expected a barstool over the head!

Let it burn itself out (if I may mix a metaphor). Nobody's going to change their minds and it's actually pretty entertaining for a neutral to watch.


Yeah, I hope you saw my tongue was in my cheek in my answer AND my post.

 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2013 - 10:07 AM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

A new short summary of this thread:

Zimmer - still bad.

Horner - thief.

Many posters here - wise, respectful of film score history, would write much better scores than Zimmer or Horner themselves.


And these "wise, respectful" posters would wind up not booking any jobs because of their strict, narrow-minded devotion to the past and unwillingness to provide directors something new.

You know, I adore music for film throughout all of its era, but it's foolish to think it would never go experience change. Moving from the Golden Age of movie music onto to the Norths, Bernsteins, Mancinis and Goldsmiths was also once seen as a death knell for film music. It wasn't. People here who aren't fans of Hans Zimmer need to relax and realize that change is constantly happening in all art forms and it's not always going to be in a direction that pleases everyone. But it will inevitably change again, so who knows, the next direction for film music might be more to your liking.

 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2013 - 11:56 AM   
 By:   DavidCoscina   (Member)

A new short summary of this thread:

Zimmer - still bad.

Horner - thief.

Many posters here - wise, respectful of film score history, would write much better scores than Zimmer or Horner themselves.


And these "wise, respectful" posters would wind up not booking any jobs because of their strict, narrow-minded devotion to the past and unwillingness to provide directors something new.

You know, I adore music for film throughout all of its era, but it's foolish to think it would never go experience change. Moving from the Golden Age of movie music onto to the Norths, Bernsteins, Mancinis and Goldsmiths was also once seen as a death knell for film music. It wasn't. People here who aren't fans of Hans Zimmer need to relax and realize that change is constantly happening in all art forms and it's not always going to be in a direction that pleases everyone. But it will inevitably change again, so who knows, the next direction for film music might be more to your liking.



Exactly.

 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2013 - 12:06 PM   
 By:   OnlyGoodMusic   (Member)

You know, I adore music for film throughout all of its era, but it's foolish to think it would never go experience change. Moving from the Golden Age of movie music onto to the Norths, Bernsteins, Mancinis and Goldsmiths was also once seen as a death knell for film music.

What has anything of that to do with Golden Age Music? And neither were any of those composers ever seen as a "death knell to film music". This is just blabbering, get your facts straight! These composers you mentioned were revered in their time, while Hans Zimmer employs people to compose dumb music in his.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2013 - 12:39 PM   
 By:   Morricone   (Member)

You know, I adore music for film throughout all of its era, but it's foolish to think it would never go experience change. Moving from the Golden Age of movie music onto to the Norths, Bernsteins, Mancinis and Goldsmiths was also once seen as a death knell for film music.

What has anything of that to do with Golden Age Music? And neither were any of those composers ever seen as a "death knell to film music". This is just blabbering, get your facts straight! These composers you mentioned were revered in their time, while Hans Zimmer employs people to compose dumb music in his.


Excuse me but I was a young film music fan when I was derided for liking these younger newcomers mentioned above that added jazz and rock and other contaminations to the symphonic traditions. I was shown LPs of Steiner's BAND OF ANGELS and Herrmann's VERTIGO and instructed this is what I should be listening to and the real golden Age was way in the past. I slowly learned to appreciate these great early composers but no thanks to these old film music farts whose narrowmindedness couldn't or wouldn't see beyond what they were used to.

I am not making a direct comparison to this Zimmer argument since I am not that big a Zimmer fan (but I have enjoyed some of his music so that probably qualifies me as being a part of the bane of human civilization") but I see ample evidence of that old film music fart mentality still flourishing.

So get your facts straight.

 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2013 - 12:53 PM   
 By:   OnlyGoodMusic   (Member)

I am not making a direct comparison to this Zimmer argument since I am not that big a Zimmer fan (but I have enjoyed some of his music so that probably qualifies me as being a part of the bane of human civilization") but I see ample evidence of that old film music fart mentality still flourishing.

All of this would matter if there was a PROGRESS of some kind in the music headlined by Hans Zimmer, but there isn't. I laugh when I hear that people who adore this think they're listening to "modern" music. It's a joke. RCP is (mostly, not exclusively) producing music that is regressive in the extreme, which falls back on simplistic patterns, conventional & forgettable progressions, thinly dressed up with a few electronic effects to make it sound contemporary. Max Steiner was more progressive than Hans Zimmer.

 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2013 - 1:30 PM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

All of this would matter if there was a PROGRESS of some kind in the music headlined by Hans Zimmer, but there isn't. I laugh when I hear that people who adore this think they're listening to "modern" music. It's a joke. RCP is (mostly, not exclusively) producing music that is regressive in the extreme, which falls back on simplistic patterns, conventional & forgettable progressions, thinly dressed up with a few electronic effects to make it sound contemporary. Max Steiner was more progressive than Hans Zimmer.

Perfect!

 
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