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 Posted:   Jun 30, 2014 - 12:35 PM   
 By:   ghost of 82   (Member)

Another one. What is it with this site today?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 30, 2014 - 12:35 PM   
 By:   ghost of 82   (Member)

DP. Drok.

 
 Posted:   Jun 30, 2014 - 1:03 PM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

ghost: Received my copy here in the UK today (amazingly fast, that!).

Very fine release. I never owned the original album (somehow neither film or score really connected with me at the time), but it does sound wonderful. I guess its inevitable, as it has that trademark Williams 'sound', but I am surprised how much this score prefigures that of AI: Artificial Intelligence. Guess its all the use of the choir, but some of it sounds like a prototype AI score. I adore the AI score so that's just an added bonus, but its interesting. Anybody else notice it?


No, not really, but I can see your point (and I too love much of the music for "A.I."). I'm just glad that (1) it took less than a week to reach you in the UK and (2) that you like it as much as you do. I was thinking of some of the gorgeous music that John Williams has written over the years, including his themes for "Far And Away" and "JFK" and "Born on the 4th of July" and "Jurassic Park" -- sometimes it seems to be the in-thing to rip him apart, but the man can write some very beautiful music, as he has done with this sometimes neglected, sometimes misunderstood soundtrack. We owe a debt of gratitude to La-La-Land Records for a very timely choice. And how often do we see a release like this that seems, to some of us, much better than the original?

 
 Posted:   Jun 30, 2014 - 5:45 PM   
 By:   spielboy   (Member)

after my first full listien, I dont think its "so much better" than the 1987 album.

all the best music was already there, except for the "BRINGING THEM BACK" cue. The other new unreleased music is good of course (it's Williams!), but is not that interesting to listen to, IMHO. And the alternates are, well... a curiosity.

on the other side, maybe the arranging of the album is better, specially if you remember the film's chronology.

 
 Posted:   Jul 1, 2014 - 10:36 AM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

spielboy:

Re: all the best music was already there, except for the "BRINGING THEM BACK" cue. The other new unreleased music is good of course (it's Williams!), but is not that interesting to listen to, IMHO. And the alternates are, well... a curiosity.

on the other side, maybe the arranging of the album is better, specially if you remember the film's chronology.


It's odd. As I've mentioned elsewhere, the night before the La-La-Land Records release I played the soundtrack CD that many of us have had for decades, and I became very impatient with it and seriously questioned the wisdom of investing so much in a different release of the same soundtrack. But in the end I placed my order, and while I didn't love every single cue (even becoming a little antsy with a few of them), it seemed to me to be significantly improved. Last Wednesday, playing it for the first time, I felt like I really hadn't heard the soundtrack as it should have been heard. I can see your points, but it's all so subjective, with music being one of the most subjective of the arts. I continue to play the new release and continue to enjoy it.

 
 Posted:   Jul 2, 2014 - 12:09 AM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

Williams original OST of EMPIRE OF THE SUN is a great program to begin with. I've enjoyed that presentation over the last 25 years. The sound quality was crisp and dynamic for it time too. The new expansion of the score is going to be a joy for the various alternates and previously unreleased cues as well as the high sound quality upgrade. Composers when they have a best selling album of a classic score prefer to keep their original album intact and often prefer to keep the OST program separate from the archival expansion.

So, I was very much surprised that the OST was not reprised on disc 2. The choice was probably more mathematical to fit the complete film score on Disc 1 and relegate the sizeable alternates and bonus cues on Disc 2 (without making the cues redundant as was the case to excise 2 tracks that are basically 4 different cues in the score) Of course sometimes a classic album like THE FURY and BATMAN were retained on disc 2 because of their original re-recording, remixes and a superior album master.

When Williams' E.T. gets a definitive re-issue in the near coming future-I d expect the ET OST album with its handful of re-recorded cues and album themes in proper presentation on Disc 2 along with the alternates and bonus cues. Some albums because of their short 45-50 minute programs make great presentation on disc 2.

I'd like the upcoming Jerry Goldsmith's UNDER FIRE to have a similar program. The premier release of the original score recording on Disc 1 and the OST Album master + bonus cues and alternates on Disc 2.




 
 Posted:   Jul 2, 2014 - 2:48 AM   
 By:   batman&robin   (Member)

I'd like the upcoming Jerry Goldsmith's UNDER FIRE to have a similar program. The premier release of the original score recording on Disc 1 and the OST Album master + bonus cues and alternates on Disc 2.

Wait a minute... and pardon my ignorance... but...

Who said (and when, and where) that a new UNDER FIRE release is coming???!!!

 
 Posted:   Jul 2, 2014 - 3:29 AM   
 By:   Maleficio   (Member)


Wait a minute... and pardon my ignorance... but...

Who said (and when, and where) that a new UNDER FIRE release is coming???!!!


No one has said anything. It's just that the upcoming Twilight Time Blu-ray release of the film will feature the isolated score so there's also the assumption that a new CD release is also coming.

http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=103803&forumID=1&archive=0

 
 Posted:   Jul 2, 2014 - 3:51 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

So, I was very much surprised that the OST was not reprised on disc 2. The choice was probably more mathematical to fit the complete film score on Disc 1 and relegate the sizeable alternates and bonus cues on Disc 2 (without making the cues redundant as was the case to excise 2 tracks that are basically 4 different cues in the score) Of course sometimes a classic album like THE FURY and BATMAN were retained on disc 2 because of their original re-recording, remixes and a superior album master.

MM describes his odyssey with EOTS:

http://www.jwfan.com/?p=6871

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 2, 2014 - 6:06 AM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)


So, I was very much surprised that the OST was not reprised on disc 2..


Good thing, that. Makes for a much better album overall.

 
 Posted:   Jul 2, 2014 - 7:13 AM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)


Wait a minute... and pardon my ignorance... but...

Who said (and when, and where) that a new UNDER FIRE release is coming???!!!


No one has said anything. It's just that the upcoming Twilight Time Blu-ray release of the film will feature the isolated score so there's also the assumption that a new CD release is also coming.

http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=103803&forumID=1&archive=0


Not an assumption. Nick Redman has confirmed it tongue in cheek on his fb post on twilight label page. And of course there will be an Isolated score too.

 
 Posted:   Jul 2, 2014 - 7:16 AM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

So, I was very much surprised that the OST was not reprised on disc 2. The choice was probably more mathematical to fit the complete film score on Disc 1 and relegate the sizeable alternates and bonus cues on Disc 2 (without making the cues redundant as was the case to excise 2 tracks that are basically 4 different cues in the score) Of course sometimes a classic album like THE FURY and BATMAN were retained on disc 2 because of their original re-recording, remixes and a superior album master.

MM describes his odyssey with EOTS:

http://www.jwfan.com/?p=6871



Yep. but Im aware of that great show that Tim Burden did.

 
 Posted:   Jul 2, 2014 - 8:26 AM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

Yep. but Im aware of that great show that Tim Burden did.

https://soundcloud.com/timburden/remembering-empire-of-the-sun

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 2, 2014 - 7:21 PM   
 By:   RM Eastman   (Member)

I broke down and bought this 2CD version. I must say it is better than the truncated Warner version. Overall the score is very good and the recorded sound is magnificent. I could have done with less Choral music, but is what it is.

 
 Posted:   Jul 2, 2014 - 7:22 PM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

What don't you like about the choral music?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 2, 2014 - 7:54 PM   
 By:   RM Eastman   (Member)

What don't you like about the choral music?

I just don't like vocal music, in general, there are exceptions. Can't really explain why it just does not appeal to me.

 
 Posted:   Jul 2, 2014 - 9:21 PM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

What don't you like about the choral music?

I just don't like vocal music, in general, there are exceptions. Can't really explain why it just does not appeal to me.


I think this is the only score where Williams has used Voices extensively as a major tool in the scores thematic structure. Its more prominent than CE3K and A.I.

 
 Posted:   Jul 2, 2014 - 11:28 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

What don't you like about the choral music?

I just don't like vocal music, in general, there are exceptions. Can't really explain why it just does not appeal to me.


Hopefully as a fellow Goldsmith junkie, QB VII, The Omen, The Mummy, 13th Warrior, First Knight, etc. are all in the exception category?

Personally some of my favorite Williams vocal writing was the eerie stuff in Return of the Jedi...

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Jul 3, 2014 - 7:16 PM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

RME: Re: What don't you like about the choral music?

I just don't like vocal music, in general, there are exceptions. Can't really explain why it just does not appeal to me.


Yes, there are definitely exceptions! Like "The Mission" or "Rudy" (what a gorgeous finale!). I could name more -- anybody else have some favorite examples?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 5, 2014 - 9:33 AM   
 By:   djintrepid   (Member)

I was finally able to sit and listen to the complete Empire of the Sun score, and I must say, I found it to be just as wonderful a listening experience as the original album is. It is an entirely different listening experience though, much like Silvestri's The Abyss that was recently released, but unlike The Abyss, I find it necessary to keep the original album version of EOS in my collection, since the two versions are so very different.

I did the same thing with Conan The Barbarian, keeping all three versions of the score's release, since each version provides a unique listening experience with alternate takes of the same pieces as well as pieces unique to each version. The additional material recorded for the Empire of the Sun, but not included on the original album, brings about a new atmosphere in which the familiar passages of the score that were on the album now take on a different level of dramatic feeling. It all felt so foreign upon first listen that it sucked me in and made feel as though I were hearing everything for the first time.

The extraordinary sound quality of this new release plays a big part in that as well. It's exciting to hear it all in entirety with sound that makes you feel closer to the music than you've ever felt before. La La Land have done a great job as usual with the presentation of not only the music, but with packaging as well.

I highly recommend this release to anyone who is a lover of film scores.

 
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