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This is a comments thread about FSM CD: Marathon Man/The Parallax View
 
 Posted:   Apr 30, 2010 - 6:46 AM   
 By:   BillCarson   (Member)

An African or European swallow?!!!

 
 Posted:   Apr 30, 2010 - 2:08 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

i HAVE WANTED THIS SCORE FOR YEARS PRIMARILY FOR THE GREAT HIGHWAY CHASE CUE.

WHAT A PLEASANT SURPRISE TO DISCOVER OTHER THEMES in the score that are also excellent!

check it out!
NOW!

 
 Posted:   Apr 30, 2010 - 2:09 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

Prompted by you lot, I dug out my Marathon Man dvd. Will watch it over the weekend. .

YEAH ,ME BEEN REWATCHING IT.
WHAT A SUPERBLY MADE FILM!

 
 
 Posted:   May 1, 2010 - 3:02 AM   
 By:   BillCarson   (Member)

None of you miserable gits asked....so Im not gonna say it.

 
 Posted:   May 1, 2010 - 1:10 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

btw why were Dustin & Marthe mugged in Central Park?

 
 Posted:   May 1, 2010 - 1:15 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

Hey Miggy, to get myself amped up for the soundtrack (arriving in my mailbox today I think), I watched Marathon Man this weekend (only my second viewing). Man, what a friggin' masterpiece. There are SO many great scenes. It's brilliantly shot and edited, and I tell ya, the bathroom scene when the thugs are whispering in the other room and then try to get through the door...that was horror film material! Also, two of my favorite actors, William Devane and Roy Scheider, were perfect. There really isn't a bad thing I can say about this film. Just exceptional in every way, and Small's score was such an important part. I love that theme that first plays when Szell arrives. Scrumptious.


. Youre right about the way its shot and the cutting too ...the assassin with the garotte and the clips through the balcony door - isnt there an old man watching from opposite?. .


ya know, if you watch the garrote scene again' you will see they mistimed it.
Scheider actually puts up his arm in defense BEFORE he is attacked!
oH WELL, no film is perfect
smile

 
 Posted:   May 1, 2010 - 1:16 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

still trying to figger out the reason for the mugging scene
????????????

 
 Posted:   May 1, 2010 - 1:17 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

still trying to figger out the reason for the mugging scene
????????????


In a world gone mad, you seek REASON???

 
 Posted:   May 1, 2010 - 1:23 PM   
 By:   Dana Wilcox   (Member)

ya know, if you watch the garrote scene again' you will see they mistimed it.
Scheider actually puts up his arm in defense BEFORE he is attacked!
oH WELL, no film is perfect
smile


This was a man trained in self-defense, and obviously he knew what was coming when he felt the presence of the assassin behind him. I think it was perfectly timed, given the circumstances. What, he should have put his arm up after the garrote was slipped around his neck?

 
 
 Posted:   May 1, 2010 - 1:33 PM   
 By:   BillCarson   (Member)

I took it, Bruce, that he gets his hand up in time because he either was on edge and semi-expected some kind of attempt on his life or some such attack anyway, or his instinct came into play and that a split-second before he had sensed the assassin's presence (being a trained professional!!) or, simply, he saw it at the last second. If they hadnt shown him getting his hand there and it getting cut by the garotte in the ensuing fight, it wouldve been his throat and he would've been dead - not quite what the storyline had in mind at that point of the film (then we wouldve been robbed of that wonderful fountain killing where unexpectedly in mid-sentence - SPOILER - Szell catches him off-guard and stabs him through the chest). Obviously, he didnt see that one coming - or at least, which was obvious from his comments, had disregarded Szell as a sad, incapable old man.

As for the mugging, was it staged to bring them closer together and help her gain his trust or just a chance mugging at a time when mugging happened to everyone? Dunno, aint seen it in ages.

 
 
 Posted:   May 1, 2010 - 1:35 PM   
 By:   BillCarson   (Member)

apologies Dana - we were typing at the same time.

 
 Posted:   May 1, 2010 - 1:43 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

I took it, Bruce, that he gets his hand up in time because he either was on edge and semi-expected some kind of attempt on his life or some such attack anyway, or his instinct came into play and that a split-second before he had sensed the assassin's presence (being a trained professional!!) or, simply, he saw it at the last second. If they hadnt shown him getting his hand there and it getting cut by the garotte in the ensuing fight, it wouldve been his throat and he would've been dead - not quite what the storyline had in mind at that point of the film (then we wouldve been robbed of that wonderful fountain killing where unexpectedly in mid-sentence - SPOILER - Szell catches him off-guard and stabs him through the chest). Obviously, he didnt see that one coming - or at least, which was obvious from his comments, had disregarded Szell as a sad, incapable old man.

As for the mugging, was it staged to bring them closer together and help her gain his trust or just a chance mugging at a time when mugging happened to everyone? Dunno, aint seen it in ages.


i still think it was mistake in the staging of the fight.....

yeah, the only possible reason for the mugging i could think of was to bring them together/increase the trust SPOILER: (the muggers were the same people who faked their own murder later, for that very reason).
the problem with that is, it happens too early in the movie
(like i sdaid earlier, if you analyze the plot, there are big holes, so just enjoy the superb acting, direction, music etc. and turn off yer brain celles)

 
 Posted:   May 1, 2010 - 2:00 PM   
 By:   Scott Bettencourt   (Member)

While researching the program notes, I found what seemed to be a big plot hole (or possibly continuity error) in The Parallax View, possibly due to the way the script was being rewritten during filming. Beatty goes to ex-spook Kenneth Mars to procure a fake identity (the "weenie wagger" scene) BEFORE he's seen the application for Parallax and learned that the company is recruiting misfits and losers as assassins; at that point in the plot, why would he need a cover story like that?

I think the mugging in Marathon is there both to bring Babe and Elsa closer together, and to draw Doc to New York.

 
 Posted:   May 1, 2010 - 3:47 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)



I think the mugging in Marathon is there both to bring Babe and Elsa closer together, and to draw Doc to New York.


makes the most sense, however convoluted it might be

 
 Posted:   May 1, 2010 - 5:23 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Okay, I got mine earlier this week and it's simply amazing to finally have it.


But, every time I listen to "Betrayal / Drilling Horror" I am compelled to yell out:

"You killed them! You f*%#ing killed them!!........ You killed my brother!!"

Each and every time I listen to it, I have to yell that. Someone spotted me doing it in the car today with my windows open.

 
 Posted:   May 1, 2010 - 5:51 PM   
 By:   Dana Wilcox   (Member)

apologies Dana - we were typing at the same time.

And both got it right. Silly criticism of the film, IMO.

 
 Posted:   May 1, 2010 - 6:56 PM   
 By:   Scott Bettencourt   (Member)

I believe Goldman admitted that the whole plot point of Szell having to personally visit the jewelry merchants to find out the value of his hoard (that he wouldn't have other ways of knowing how much his jewels were worth) was pretty improbable, but that the diamond district scene was just too good to pass up (even Pauline Kael, no Goldman fan, thought it was the best scene in the book).

 
 
 Posted:   May 2, 2010 - 12:36 AM   
 By:   Miguel Rojo   (Member)

I believe Goldman admitted that the whole plot point of Szell having to personally visit the jewelry merchants to find out the value of his hoard (that he wouldn't have other ways of knowing how much his jewels were worth) was pretty improbable, but that the diamond district scene was just too good to pass up (even Pauline Kael, no Goldman fan, thought it was the best scene in the book).


I rest my case - take a bow then, Lotta Andor-Palfi, the Old Lady on 47th Street.

....The winner of the world's best scene totally dominated by the brilliant acting of a bit-part player.

 
 
 Posted:   May 3, 2010 - 1:32 PM   
 By:   Miguel Rojo   (Member)




"Ahhhh.....I know...I know...I behaved terribly last time.

But I had to be sure what you knew...."

 
 Posted:   May 3, 2010 - 2:22 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

Babe: "WHAT DO YOU DO?"

Janeway: "WE provide"

 
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