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This is a comments thread about FSM CD: Ben-Hur
 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2012 - 8:10 PM   
 By:   book1245   (Member)

I think my Rhino set knows that it will be unchecked soon in iTunes...
Ben-Hur is popping up every few minutes when I have it on shuffle!

 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2012 - 10:23 PM   
 By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)

Lukas, we would love a 'making of' the Ben-Hur CD set, with all the steps of producion and distribution. Do it, please!

The only thing I did that was at all difficult was get access to the materials at Syracuse. I gave everything to Frank DeWald and Mike Matessino and they figured it out!

Lukas

 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2012 - 1:21 AM   
 By:   Chris Rimmer   (Member)

And so many people are bitching here about "every last note" yet they seem to love it when a company adds a completely redundant 'album version'?

I'm just curious as to which album you think is "redundant" You can't mean the "Savina" album, because this was the first ever recording of Ben-Hur, and the one most of us grew up with.
I can't see how either of the "Kloss" albums are redundant either, as the first one, although technically a repeat of the "Savina" it features different recordings, just listen to the Miracle and Finale without the chorus, it sounds tremendous, I'm really looking forwards to listening the "Kloss Volume One" soundtrack, it's been something I've been after for years. I can't see anything redundant on here at all, this is BEN-HUR as I've always hoped to hear it, every note, from the albums and the film.

WONDERFUL.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2012 - 2:16 AM   
 By:   eggerty31   (Member)

Just a quick question. Will the online notes be available as a downloadable PDF as other sets are?

 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2012 - 2:39 AM   
 By:   TM2-Megatron   (Member)

Just a quick question. Will the online notes be available as a downloadable PDF as other sets are?

Wait; the others are available as PDFs? I have the site for the online notes bookmarked, but I've never noticed a link for PDF downloads. Where can I find that, 'cuz I'd love to have the Ron Jones set notes, in particular, in PDF format.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2012 - 3:20 AM   
 By:   eggerty31   (Member)


Wait; the others are available as PDFs? I have the site for the online notes bookmarked, but I've never noticed a link for PDF downloads. Where can I find that, 'cuz I'd love to have the Ron Jones set notes, in particular, in PDF format.


The link is on the first page of the online notes just before the foreward. I have just downloaded the Rozsa one while I wait for the set to arrive.

The Ron Jones one...
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/notes/fsmbox05_notes.pdf

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2012 - 5:28 AM   
 By:   Doug Raynes   (Member)

Just a quick question. Will the online notes be available as a downloadable PDF as other sets are?

On the previous BEN-HUR thread, Jeff Eldridge said on 16 February that "a PDF will be available sometime in the not-too-distant future".

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2012 - 5:52 AM   
 By:   eggerty31   (Member)

Just a quick question. Will the online notes be available as a downloadable PDF as other sets are?

On the previous BEN-HUR thread, Jeff Eldridge said on 16 February that "a PDF will be available sometime in the not-too-distant future".


Excellent thanks.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2012 - 6:35 AM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)


I'm just curious as to which album you think is "redundant" You can't mean the "Savina" album, because this was the first ever recording of Ben-Hur, and the one most of us grew up with.
I can't see how either of the "Kloss" albums are redundant either, as the first one, although technically a repeat of the "Savina" it features different recordings, just listen to the Miracle and Finale without the chorus, it sounds tremendous, I'm really looking forwards to listening the "Kloss Volume One" soundtrack, it's been something I've been after for years. I can't see anything redundant on here at all, this is BEN-HUR as I've always hoped to hear it, every note, from the albums and the film.

WONDERFUL.


Well *I'm* curious why you thought I was talking about Ben Hur at all?

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2012 - 7:24 AM   
 By:   majorgoo   (Member)

I just had another listen to the sound bites and had to retract a comment I made earlier, as it turned out my headphones weren't plugged in correctly...

It sounds amazing, and I cannot wait to get my hands on all the different versions - it'll sit very well with Rosza's 1977 re-recording.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2012 - 7:34 AM   
 By:   majorgoo   (Member)

And so many people are bitching here about "every last note" yet they seem to love it when a company adds a completely redundant 'album version'?

I'm just curious as to which album you think is "redundant" You can't mean the "Savina" album, because this was the first ever recording of Ben-Hur, and the one most of us grew up with.
I can't see how either of the "Kloss" albums are redundant either, as the first one, although technically a repeat of the "Savina" it features different recordings, just listen to the Miracle and Finale without the chorus, it sounds tremendous, I'm really looking forwards to listening the "Kloss Volume One" soundtrack, it's been something I've been after for years. I can't see anything redundant on here at all, this is BEN-HUR as I've always hoped to hear it, every note, from the albums and the film.

WONDERFUL.


Oh Father, do read what the man is saying before slapping him down for agreeing with you.

I believe his point was in support of Ben Hur and against the likes of the recent Star Trek releases and First Blood, when they put the same music out twice in a slightly different order.

 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2012 - 7:44 AM   
 By:   Chris Rimmer   (Member)

And so many people are bitching here about "every last note" yet they seem to love it when a company adds a completely redundant 'album version'?

I'm just curious as to which album you think is "redundant" You can't mean the "Savina" album, because this was the first ever recording of Ben-Hur, and the one most of us grew up with.
I can't see how either of the "Kloss" albums are redundant either, as the first one, although technically a repeat of the "Savina" it features different recordings, just listen to the Miracle and Finale without the chorus, it sounds tremendous, I'm really looking forwards to listening the "Kloss Volume One" soundtrack, it's been something I've been after for years. I can't see anything redundant on here at all, this is BEN-HUR as I've always hoped to hear it, every note, from the albums and the film.

WONDERFUL.


Oh Father, do read what the man is saying before slapping him down for agreeing with you.

I believe his point was in support of Ben Hur and against the likes of the recent Star Trek releases and First Blood, when they put the same music out twice in a slightly different order.


Oh son, I've done it wrong again, put it down to stress, and an inability to read. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2012 - 10:33 AM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)


I believe his point was in support of Ben Hur and against the likes of the recent Star Trek releases and First Blood, when they put the same music out twice in a slightly different order.


Exactly. I've said it many times before, I really dislike having the same recording over and over, but on the flip side when there's a different recording it's very welcome. In Ben Hur's case there's only a small amount of redundancy - I'm also not too fond of "choral only"/"orchestral only" versions that are culled from a track that's there already, and I count those....otherwise I think the only real offender is the march track on the first two LPs that's taken from the original Rome sessions.
Contrast it to the recent POTA disc where they pad out the set with "alternate mixes" of the same recodings, just with some instruments more prominent, or whatever and then add the original CD on top of that which has almost nothing, if anything, different.

 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2012 - 11:14 AM   
 By:   George Komar   (Member)

In Ben Hur's case there's only a small amount of redundancy - I'm also not too fond of "choral only"/"orchestral only" versions that are culled from a track that's there already, and I count those....otherwise I think the only real offender is the march track on the first two LPs that's taken from the original Rome sessions.

Wow! I'm thrilled that you (and others) are reading the liner notes so religiously. (I mean that sincerely, BTW, not sarcastically.)

I believe you are referring to the "Victory Parade" about which Frank DeWald states:

"Both album tracks feature the exact same recording used in the film, although with different edits. (If, indeed, the orchestra involved in the Savina disc was the Santa Cecilia group, there would have been no need to re-record this cue since they had recorded it for the picture the preceding March.)"

Yet this was not something that was well-known even among the most zealous Rozsaphiles. I suspected it for many years (I actually owned the stereo Lion LP) but Frank and Mike Matessino have confirmed it finally.

Nevertheless, what could we expect Frank and Mike to do (they were responsible for the "Cue Assembly Guide" on the final page of the liner notes)? Leave the Victory Parade track off from the Savina LP and Lion LP programs? As a policy FSM has always presented LP programs intact.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2012 - 11:35 AM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

In find it interesting that Rozsa apparently considered the Victory Parade to be the showpiece of his score. That is presumably why he selected it for the first album. Did he have no inkling that it would be the Parade of the Charioteers that would go on to become his "greatest hit" (after Spellbound) and be played by every band student in the country for years to come?

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2012 - 11:39 AM   
 By:   RollTide1017   (Member)

I so want this, I just don't have $60 to spare right now. Please don't sell out in the next couple of months, PLEASE!!!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2012 - 12:02 PM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)


It looks like this cd is miles ahead of the Ben Hur DVDs in being correct.

For some reason, Warner Vid has been fooling with the soundtrack of ben Hur since the first DVD. they all seem to be remixes, not the originals.

the worst instance has been the Star of bethlehem piece. Chorus is recorded separately. On the first two dvd release, the chorus came in late, It was mized incorrectly.

On the new blu-ray, its pretty much not there !! You have to switch to the Hungarian mono track, which has the correct chorus!!!!

worse, some remixing has been done on the Rowing of the Galley Slaves scene. .
IN the film, the music starts with the punding of the hortators gavel leading the way, but gradually, that sound fades out to leave Rozsa music to carry the scene.
On the blue ray, the gavel is there loud and clear through the entire music!! Not good.

Why can't Warner vid just use the original six track and leave the damn thing alone.

 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2012 - 2:17 PM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

Nevertheless, what could we expect Frank and Mike to do (they were responsible for the "Cue Assembly Guide" on the final page of the liner notes)? Leave the Victory Parade track off from the Savina LP and Lion LP programs? As a policy FSM has always presented LP programs intact.


The OST version is full of cuts and splices back to beginning, and has many bars missing, notably every single reponse in the first 'B' middle eight. To present the march in totality (which we can now do, if we edit it!) requires recutting. The OST hasn't even got the intro present.

Some bits are lost entirely though, and were never recorded or were badly cut (....I THINK .... we need to listen to the FSM). The fanfare leading to part 2 as Arrius descends the steps again isn't present in the film or the Rhino or any boot, but you can just hear the last note's echo at the very start of 'Victory Parade Part 2', so it must've been recorded, then cut and lost.

 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2012 - 2:26 PM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)


At 19 seconds you can just hear where the last note of the fanfares was cut. The opening material is on Rozsa's scoreheets but never made it to any recording:

http://www.4shared.com/mp3/5UL9o3CP/Victory_Parade_Part_2_synth.html?refurl=d1forum]Victory Parade Part 2 synth.mp3

Forgive my synth efforts: I'm not world's greatest keyboards wrangler.

 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2012 - 2:29 PM   
 By:   The REAL BJBien   (Member)

thank goodness i enjoy this film but have no desire to own this release... however once it ships and those fans throw rave reviews [even the jaded ones] i might be tempted.

 
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