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How then about a Newman/Mankiewicz triple bill with LETTER TO THREE WIVES, NO WAY OUT and ALL ABOUT EVE?
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Call me crazy, call me stupid, but I believe Otto Preminger might be the director in question - and we might be seeing a new issue of "Forever Amber," which, of course, was conducted by Alfred Newman (and would clarify the 'It's complicated' remark made by the good Mr. Kimmel). Perhaps we'll also see "Fallen Angel," "Daisy Kenyon," "Whirlpool," or any/some of the other Raksin/Preminger collaborations on this album, too? (Or perhaps some Cyril J. Mockridge music will be represented, too - I seem to recall that Newman conducted many of his scores) Regardless of my accuracy, the clews thus far point to it being a release I'd love to have, as all of the referenced directors are favorites of mine, who had impeccable taste in music for their films.
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Jul 25, 2013 - 5:24 PM
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OK, let's put Otto Preminger on the back burner for the moment. What if the key connection is pictures with a multiple of directors and/or stars??? For example, what if the key film is O. HENRY'S FULL HOUSE, which was directed by Henry Hathaway, Howard Hawks, and the three directors listed by me which Bruce liked: Jean Negulesco, Henry Koster, and Henry King? Then Cody1949's list also includes Henry King again, but adds others. Are there any other Fox films of the period with multiple big stars and stories which might be added to the CD---for example, WE'RE NOT MARRIED, directed by Edmund Goulding, or WOMAN'S WORLD, directed by Negulesco again. Is this a viable direction for the guessing to take, Mr. Bruce? (Edit.....and then, with multiple stars and/or directors, is it possible to add to the CD---as the previously released element---ALL ABOUT EVE, directed by Mankiewicz, in a new re-mastering???)
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Jul 25, 2013 - 5:24 PM
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Yes, strange indeed. We are interested in preserving film scores as they were recorded, not in some fake, processed sound. You can add fake stereo crap to any mono source and it will sound like fake stereo crap and give the illusion of what you're calling "open" but it ain't real and it ain't what's on the tapes. Again, you haven't heard our CD so you can't really judge anything, but if you prefer a lo-fi You Tube clip then I highly recommend you save that to your computer and enjoy it to your heart's content. It doesn't interest me in the least and that sort of thing never will. I think you will find a similar attitude with most labels. Of course, if you are actually interested in A Place in the Sun as beautifully saved by Chris Malone, well, I was going to say you know where you can find it, but then you can't because it has sold out. Polemics (and pointless idiots) aside, I didn’t understand if that “fake stereo” has been created starting from the same source/tapes or, when you mentioned the bootleg, if you are talking about something of different, another source... As far the other labels, wasn’t FAMILY PLOT by VCL mastered with that kind of stereo (which I like) too? Oh, and I did pre-order the Kritzerland CD where it is still available.
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For example, what if the key film is O. HENRY'S FULL HOUSE, which was directed by Henry Hathaway, Howard Hawks, and the three directors listed by me which Bruce liked: Jean Negulesco, Henry Koster, and Henry King? Breaking -- and depressing -- news : i'm on Manderley's ignore list...
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Call me crazy, call me stupid, but I believe Otto Preminger might be the director in question - and we might be seeing a new issue of "Forever Amber," which, of course, was conducted by Alfred Newman (and would clarify the 'It's complicated' remark made by the good Mr. Kimmel). Perhaps we'll also see "Fallen Angel," "Daisy Kenyon," "Whirlpool," or any/some of the other Raksin/Preminger collaborations on this album, too? (Or perhaps some Cyril J. Mockridge music will be represented, too - I seem to recall that Newman conducted many of his scores) I hope you're right. That would be a fantastic double CD. By the way, there are also a few scores which Newman himself did for Preminger: A ROYAL SCANDAL, CENTENNIAL SUMMER and THAT LADY IN ERMINE, partly in collaboration with Mockridge.
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You're NOT on my ignore list, Anabel! I was friendly tongue-in-cheek... What's in the box with the little red "X"??? For a mysterious reason the picture must have been "broken" for you : for me it just works fine. Great minds think alike---even independently.....and even in different countries! Sharing that very same sparkle with you has been a deep and great honor, Manderley!
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Now.....if we REALLY think one of the items is O. HENRY'S FULL HOUSE---what do we think the others are??? I'm still partial to adding the suggestion of ALL ABOUT EVE. That score came out early in the FSM age, it's relatively short on the FSM disc, and probably could be remastered much better today, maybe 15 years later. Perhaps those two alone would make up a 2-cd set, or perhaps there is one more which could be added......hmmmm........ And that fits Bruce's M.O. : a new score paired with an already released -- and now OOP -- score.
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Jul 25, 2013 - 6:30 PM
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manderley
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Now.....if we REALLY think one of the items is O. HENRY'S FULL HOUSE---what do we think the others are??? I'm still partial to adding the suggestion of ALL ABOUT EVE. That score came out early in the FSM age, it's relatively short on the FSM disc, and probably could be remastered much better today, maybe 15 years later. Perhaps those two alone would make up a 2-cd set, or perhaps there is one more which could be added......hmmmm........ And that fits Bruce's M.O. : a new score paired with a previous released -- and OOP -- score. And it includes Alfred Newman and multiple directors (and multiple stars). But Bruce also said the following, which somewhat confuses our guess: .....Two or more scores: Correct 40s, 50s, 60s - mostly one of those decades. Alfred Newman: It's complicated..... We've got two scores listed, but Bruce's implication is that there might be at least one more. Our two scores are both from the '50s. An additional score score might be from the '40s or '60s. Newman didn't work for Fox in the '60s, so this additional score---if there is one---must be from the '40s. We've easily covered Alfred Newman on both our guesses. What's "worrying" about Bruce's statement is WHY mentioning Alfred Newman would be "complicated". I think I'm giving up for the moment until some of this plays out and leads us on our way.
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Call me crazy, call me stupid, but I believe Otto Preminger might be the director in question - and we might be seeing a new issue of "Forever Amber," which, of course, was conducted by Alfred Newman (and would clarify the 'It's complicated' remark made by the good Mr. Kimmel). Perhaps we'll also see "Fallen Angel," "Daisy Kenyon," "Whirlpool," or any/some of the other Raksin/Preminger collaborations on this album, too? (Or perhaps some Cyril J. Mockridge music will be represented, too - I seem to recall that Newman conducted many of his scores) Regardless of my accuracy, the clews thus far point to it being a release I'd love to have, as all of the referenced directors are favorites of mine, who had impeccable taste in music for their films. I don't think it's much of a secret that Mr. Preminger is one of my favorites so if this were a, say, Preminger at Fox set I certainly would be dancing a jig. Five scores on two CDs - Forever Amber is owned in perpetuity by Varese, BTW. No, the films included in our set are pretty much all of a piece. I think you can guess that one of the five is Laura, but only the Suite - Theme and Variations. The rest are world premiere releases. I'm listening to it now and I'll just say this is MY kind of music! The Alfred Newman "complicated" reference will become obvious once you know what one of the scores is. Four are from the 40s, one from the 50s (barely).
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Oh hell -- if A Place in the Sun could be salvaged, perhaps The Mark of Zorro is actually possible! It'd be "complicated" because much of the score was composed by Hugo Friedhofer without credit. Or what about Daddy Longlegs? Doesn't that have original music by both Newman and Alex North? Yavar
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Oh hell -- if A Place in the Sun could be salvaged, perhaps The Mark of Zorro is actually possible! It'd be "complicated" because much of the score was composed by Hugo Friedhofer without credit. Or what about Daddy Longlegs? Doesn't that have original music by both Newman and Alex North? Yavar Believe me if Mark of Zorro was possible it would have been done already. Three posts above this one you will find the answer of what this release is.
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People would have said the same thing about A Place in the Sun before you figured out it was salvageable. And I saw your post right after I finished mine. Yavar
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I don't think it's much of a secret that Mr. Preminger is one of my favorites so if this were a, say, Preminger at Fox set I certainly would be dancing a jig. Five scores on two CDs - Forever Amber is owned in perpetuity by Varese, BTW. No, the films included in our set are pretty much all of a piece. I think you can guess that one of the five is Laura, but only the Suite - Theme and Variations. The rest are world premiere releases. I'm listening to it now and I'll just say this is MY kind of music! The Alfred Newman "complicated" reference will become obvious once you know what one of the scores is. Four are from the 40s, one from the 50s (barely). Golly whillikers, but this sounds utterly fantastic! And indeed, the more time I spend with Preminger, the more I'm reminded (and discover) just how tremendous a filmmaker he was. Thanks for the clarification on "Forever Amber." I clearly had no idea it was a Varese-perpetuity deal, maybe they'll put it back out at some point... If I had to guess further then, I'd say the five scores would be "Laura" (The suite), "Fallen Angel," "Daisy Kenyon," "Whirlpool," and "Where the Sidewalk Ends." If this is so, then this is essentially musical manna for me, as I love noir - and these sort of darker, intimate character studies - and their accompanying scores are more than always welcome here. Regardless of my accuracy here, I think a round of "Bravos!" are in order. Thanks!
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I don't think it's much of a secret that Mr. Preminger is one of my favorites so if this were a, say, Preminger at Fox set I certainly would be dancing a jig. Five scores on two CDs - Forever Amber is owned in perpetuity by Varese, BTW. No, the films included in our set are pretty much all of a piece. I think you can guess that one of the five is Laura, but only the Suite - Theme and Variations. The rest are world premiere releases. I'm listening to it now and I'll just say this is MY kind of music! The Alfred Newman "complicated" reference will become obvious once you know what one of the scores is. Four are from the 40s, one from the 50s (barely). Golly whillikers, but this sounds utterly fantastic! And indeed, the more time I spend with Preminger, the more I'm reminded (and discover) just how tremendous a filmmaker he was. Thanks for the clarification on "Forever Amber." I clearly had no idea it was a Varese-perpetuity deal, maybe they'll put it back out at some point... If I had to guess further then, I'd say the five scores would be "Laura" (The suite), "Fallen Angel," "Daisy Kenyon," "Whirlpool," and "Where the Sidewalk Ends." If this is so, then this is essentially musical manna for me, as I love noir - and these sort of darker, intimate character studies - and their accompanying scores are more than always welcome here. Regardless of my accuracy here, I think a round of "Bravos!" are in order. Thanks! You are completely accurate all the way down the line. The Newman complicated connection is, of course, Where the Sidewalk Ends, which he conducted and which uses Street Scene by him. The non-Street Scene music, of which there is much, is by Cyril J. Mockridge and is fantastic. The other scores, of course, are all by Raksin. Daisy Kenyon has almost no music in the film, so it is the shortest, Whirlpool is the longest (and is absolutely incredible) and Where the Sidewalk Ends and Fallen Angel both substantial scores. All in great sound.
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