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This is a comments thread about FSM CD: Outland
 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2010 - 10:46 AM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

I'm still playing the crap outta this one, too. It amazes me that folks thing the original LP was good enough and that the expanded material is just filler. That boggles my mind on many levels. FSM did an incredible job with this one!

Just call me "Bruce the Mind Boggler"
bruce

 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2010 - 2:42 PM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

I play this score a lot when I'm gaming. I have to admit I haven't popped in the second disc (already own the older album), but that first disc is bliss. Those source cues used in the film for the bar scene are a great addition as well.

 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2010 - 3:54 PM   
 By:   mark ford   (Member)

Outside of the much hotter levels for the Boddicker cues which jump out on the first disc, the Steven's cue stuck out to me. I didn't read beforehand which cue he had a hand in, but it was pretty obvious on first listen. The change in recorded sound, what appears perhaps to be a smaller ensemble and different compositional construction of the cue, although using Goldsmith's thematic material, didn't match the level of the writing of the preceding cues. Still, I'm glad to have everything since it's coupled with the original, much beloved by me album presentation. There is room for both and I'm glad to have the choice and still enjoy listening to each. This is a super release from FSM for me!

 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2010 - 6:30 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

what extra cues on disc one do you feel are a major addition to the score?
Maybe, I missed something. Never happened before but there is always a first timesmile
bruce

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 31, 2010 - 10:06 PM   
 By:   AndyDursin   (Member)

Way late to this party, but for those who want to see OUTLAND on DVD -- the UK DVD is 16:9 enhanced and looks fabulous. The US DVD is, as has been stated, an old 4:3 widescreen disc that looks literally like the laserdisc on DVD.

Hopefully we'll get a Blu-Ray, but those with multi-region players would do well to pick up the UK DVD, which was released several years after the American disc and seems to have been sourced from a superior master. Certainly the image and sound quality are both superior to the US release.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 31, 2010 - 11:26 PM   
 By:   peterproud   (Member)

Excellent news! I'll be ordering this one with the UK standalone bluray release of STTMP...Thanks Andy!

 
 Posted:   Aug 31, 2010 - 11:54 PM   
 By:   Ebab   (Member)

Way late to this party, but for those who want to see OUTLAND on DVD -- the UK DVD is 16:9 enhanced and looks fabulous.

Given what the standards are today, I find that the Region 2 DVD looks merely acceptable, grainy, unstable, with jagged titles and washed-out colors. It’s better than nothing, but “Outland” is in desperate need of an adequate presentation.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2010 - 4:11 AM   
 By:   Robert0320   (Member)

I hate the source cues and skip them. Goldsmith's take on them was fine.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2010 - 3:41 AM   
 By:   Marcato   (Member)


At 5000 copies, it'll most likely still be around at the end of the month.



You might want to change that "month" to "year." big grin


Anyway here is my take on score.


It does sound like ALIEN - and the theme is certainly taken from the origilan "out the door" cue from ALIEN and elements from "The Shaft" also turns up. I wonder if this film was temp tracked with ALIEN.



"The Message" is just pure beautiful - it stands out as being from a another film totally - that's how i feel about it.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2010 - 4:08 AM   
 By:   Elite   (Member)

I feel that Goldsmith had little inspiration with the score. It feels sluggish and lacking any direction as to what style or feel it should have. Even though Jerry's work has always been excellent and having immense power, Outland was a bit of a damp squib in my opinion.

I think his most symphonic acheivement above everything was The Final Conflict, utterly staggering and beautiful, simply oscar material as this was written at the same time as Outland. Strange eh !

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2010 - 4:34 AM   
 By:   Marcato   (Member)

I for one am gonna make a CD-R with album recordings of ALIEN and OUTLAND in that order


BTW thor - you are the expert on the ALBUM versions - how would it be if i change some few tracks to their full lenght


MAIN TITLE
THE SHAFT
HOT WATER


???????


others who want to chime in? - you're welcome.

 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2010 - 1:46 PM   
 By:   Dadid L   (Member)

The album version of Hot Water is better in some ways.... (it's partly an alternate take, if I'm correct). For the better listening, you must mix bits of the two versions !

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2010 - 2:03 PM   
 By:   Marcato   (Member)

The album version of Hot Water is better in some ways.... (it's partly an alternate take, if I'm correct). For the better listening, you must mix bits of the two versions !

I took both album versions and putted on the cd.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 13, 2010 - 12:17 PM   
 By:   jfallon   (Member)

Just giving this a spin and I am blown away how awesome this release is... not sure how many fans this particular effort has but for me it ranks as one of my top 10 fav Goldsmiths. So dark, aggressive and dissonant. For me works better as an "Alien" score... a much easier listening experience. I love ALIEN for it's melodic moments... but the action music seems a bit grating to listen too. OUTLAND, for me, has it all.The driving ostinato, pulse pounding action, Goldsmith nails this in spades. I applaud FSM for this grail of a release...

 
 Posted:   Dec 13, 2010 - 12:39 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

The album version of Hot Water is better in some ways.... (it's partly an alternate take, if I'm correct). For the better listening, you must mix bits of the two versions !

I .... putted on the cd.


WHY NOT THE golf course green instead/

ahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!

 
 Posted:   Dec 13, 2010 - 4:39 PM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

I happen to love the complete score presentation of this particular title because I love how restless the score is all the way through. I like the album versions, with the variations on O'Neill's theme, but the score has all of the prickly little moments that I love.

I've always thought of this score more along the lines of First Blood than I do Alien.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2011 - 7:29 PM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

I didn't care much for this score at first, but I've given it a couple more listens and am really starting to enjoy it.

 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2011 - 1:16 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)


I've always thought of this score more along the lines of First Blood than I do Alien.


It certainly has that same western action 'theme' to it.

 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2011 - 10:29 AM   
 By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)


This was a very difficult title to produce...we had to license the album from WB Records, the unreleased music from WB Pictures...the Boddicker tracks from the artist...we got the Morton Stevens track from Doug Fake at Intrada (thanks Doug!)...we were fortunate to hire Bruce Botnick (Jerry's engineer, although he didn't record Outland which was done in the U.K.) to master it...Jeff Bond and I visited Peter Hyams for a very interesting interview which we published in two parts at FSM Online, about all his movies and composers. Glad people seem to like it!

lk

 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2011 - 10:32 AM   
 By:   Henry Jones   (Member)

This was a very difficult title to produce...we had to license the album from WB Records, the unreleased music from WB Pictures...the Boddicker tracks from the artist...we got the Morton Stevens track from Doug Fake at Intrada (thanks Doug!)...we were fortunate to hire Bruce Botnick (Jerry's engineer, although he didn't record Outland which was done in the U.K.) to master it...Jeff Bond and I visited Peter Hyams for a very interesting interview which we published in two parts at FSM Online, about all his movies and composers. Glad people seem to like it!

lk


Lukas, don't forget the Ladd's Compagny logo music, by John Williams ! Thx so much for this candy!

 
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