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 Posted:   Jul 11, 2013 - 12:44 PM   
 By:   eggerty31   (Member)

Would I have preferred a 2 disc set featuring a remastered OST? Yep

But really looking forward to getting this expanded Insurrection, and tbh, once I have it I doubt the OST remastered or not, would ever get much playtime anymore. It would be nice to have - to have a definitive package, but the 1 disc expanded score is what is going to be receiving the attention.

Thanks again Lukas (and everybody else involved) for all your work on the Star Trek scores, and with only Nemesis to go (come on already Varese) the mission is almost complete.

 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2013 - 12:49 PM   
 By:   OneBuckFilms   (Member)

Looking at this situation, it makes perfect sense for GNP to release a single CD with the film versions of the cues.

It really comes down to the financial viability of releasing the music.

Fundamentally, I'd say that releasing the complete score is a costly proposition, and sales are not guaranteed, especially when the existing soundtrack CD is causing a significant warehouse backlog.

If the OST didn't sell well, what is the real expectation that the expanded CD would sell?

GNP are right to try and keep costs down with a release like this, and with the OST so plentiful, they would be charging more money for their new CD, which could negatively impact sales, as well as making their existing investment in the same score as an OST moot.

By keeping it to 1 CD, they are allowing for the CD to be sold at a more attractive price, and in a way that minimises the impact on the sales of the OST, which has not sold as well as needed.

This is not like First Contact, where the OST sales were likely much higher, and the OST is largely out of print.

I have no issue with the approach they took here, as anyone interested in the score likely has the OST anyway.

Look at it this way: There's no "double dip" here, and the costs of what for most would be an unnecessary duplication of a CD are eliminated.

 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2013 - 12:55 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

I'm excided to be getting this, but it's kind of sad too. Will it be Crescendo's final expanded TREK offering?

There's nothing else.


Sure there is. "Encounter at Farpoint."

 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2013 - 1:40 PM   
 By:   Superman1701   (Member)

Aside from all the fuss over this or that, I am very grateful and happy this is finally coming. Now that only leaves us with Nemesis from Varese (or whoever takes it from them) and Into Darkness and we would've finally gotten our beloved Trek film scores expanded/complete. I never thought it would've happened...period. And then The Wrath of Khan appeared out of nowhere, starting a chain reaction where all the remaining Trek film scores (AND material from the various tv series) would slowly come out. I look at all of them and still cant believe they exist. The bottom line is, it was a business decision not to include the original album with this release. While I am also disappointed by that, as 2-CD sets are always fun, I am just grateful the complete score as heard in the film will finally be made available to us. The artwork looks great (I've already saved the image for when I upload the disc into my iTunes).

As for the old album...well...as I said earlier I will simply take a 2-CD jewel case and take the artwork and booklet out and insert it into the new one, and put the old album in the back like they would normally be (if it were two CDs) and call it a day. This makes me glad I never got rid of the original albums for these scores. To be honest, I mainly keep them because I am a Trek fan, but also to remember the days when I would look at those albums and wish for the day that those things would see an expanded release. Not to mention, the original GNP albums all had something the expanded releases didn't have. Like FC had the CD-ROM stuff and the songs, and Generations had something I think. I cant remember if Insurrection had any CD-ROM or anything. Either way, they are fun to keep if for nothing else then to take a trip down memory lane. So I for one am grateful.

 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2013 - 2:01 PM   
 By:   DeviantMan   (Member)

I can only guess the reason for ST9 NOT being a deluxe extravaganza is that FIRST CONTACT & GENERATIONS sold briskly but not spectacularly. Oh well, getting both is okay…

Intrada could possibly come to the rescue later…


…licensing permitting. wink

 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2013 - 2:11 PM   
 By:   Gold Digger   (Member)

Happy with the news of the expanded CD and not fussed about having to keep hold of the original CD. In fact wondered why Intrada did a 2 CD of Star Trek 6 and Generations was a 2 CD. I suppose the only minor downside is the original album master won't see a remastering but no way is this the end of the world.

Thank you GNP and LK.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2013 - 2:22 PM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

Happy with the news of the expanded CD and not fussed about having to keep hold of the original CD. In fact wondered why Intrada did a 2 CD of Star Trek 6 and Generations was a 2 CD. I suppose the only minor downside is the original album master won't see a remastering but no way is this the end of the world.
Thank you GNP and LK.


Trek VI was significantly reworked for the original album and deserved to be included. I wish the sound had been livened up too. And the original Generations sounded awful (I believe even McCarthy hated it) and needed a remaster.

And no to the earlier poster: Insurrection had no enhanced content and everything from Generations inc. the SFX section was carried over.

The original Insurrection CD sounds flat as hell.

 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2013 - 2:35 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Right. First Contact had the enhanced content and the two songs to keep its original issue relevant. Generations was rendered totally useless unless you care about having the original packaging and artwork. The entire album program, even including all the bonus sound effects, was included on disc 2 of GNP's complete reissue. The same *would* have happened for Insurrection, but since it will have some unique takes/edits which won't be on the complete film version which is imminent, to have everything you need to keep it along with the other old GNP Goldsmith Trek.

To be honest, probably 80-90% of it will be on the new one, remastered. Not sure it's worth getting super upset about the remaining 10-20% that's not getting remastered, as for this score in many cases the film versions are actually improvements.

Yavar

P.S. I agree that the sound should have been spruced up more on Star Trek VI. I mean, if they were going to the trouble of including the original album too, where they could have preserved the original mastering if they wished, they could have at least given us an amazing Michael Mattessino full remix for the full film score.

 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2013 - 2:50 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Sure there is. "Encounter at Farpoint."

In addition to Farpoint and the other two Trek pilot scores GNP controls in perpetuity, they may also control, for example, the three McCarthy scores included on their TNG Vol. 3 release (assuming there's much material to expand on those...it is possible to fit three complete Trek scores on one disc, obviously). Or perhaps that and the Chattaway Vol. 4 disc both count as compilations, legally speaking, and they wouldn't control rights in perpetuity. That was the case for their two "Best of Star Trek" volumes, I think -- quoting from FSM's online liner notes for the Ron Jones box: "The first-season score “Heart of Glory,” 15 minutes of which was included on GNP/Crescendo’s The Best of Star Trek: 30th Anniversary Special (GNPD 8053), is included on disc 3 in complete form." So obviously they didn't hold perpetuity rights on that one, even though they released over half of it...

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2013 - 2:55 PM   
 By:   Trent B.   (Member)

The only thing I kept from the Generations OST was the holographic sticker and used it as the main 'cover' in the CD case. Although I didn't actually peel the sticker off, it's still on it's back pad deal.

 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2013 - 3:12 PM   
 By:   bdm   (Member)

"Why not? We all have a reputation as whiney, pissing & moaning, bitching, never-satisfied, ungrateful jackwagon's. Why stop now. ;-)"

You got me there - I concedewink

On another front, you can now order this at GNP, and I just love the $5.00 flat shipping rate for the US and Canada!

Order # 1849.

 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2013 - 3:40 PM   
 By:   Trent B.   (Member)

Yup it's now up for pre-order.

http://store.gnpcrescendo.com/new/product_info.php?products_id=231

I'm order number 1853.

 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2013 - 4:09 PM   
 By:   JeffM   (Member)

I'm with what appears to be the majority; while I would have liked for the remastered original album to be included as well, it is not a deal breaker for me. I will be buying this.

 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2013 - 4:27 PM   
 By:   Deadwalker   (Member)

Yup it's now up for pre-order.

http://store.gnpcrescendo.com/new/product_info.php?products_id=231

I'm order number 1853.


Order 1861

 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2013 - 4:45 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

One of my last holy grails.

Thank you, everyone who worked on this. My pre-order is in.

 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2013 - 4:52 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Ordered! #1869 Booya!

Can't wait to hear it in all its glory!

 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2013 - 4:59 PM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

For those who are interested: in the description they say there are 79+ minutes of music on the CD, but the tracklist on the order page reads thus:

1. Ba'ku Village 6:53
2. Out of Orbit / Take Us In 1:44
3. Come Out 2:34
4. In Custody 1:14
5. Warp Capability / The Planet / Children's Story 2:33
6. The Holodeck 4:35
7. How Old Are You / New Sight 6:14
8. Lost Ship / Prepare the Ship 2:39
9. As Long as We Can 1:40
10. Not Functioning / Send Your Ships 2:55
11. Growing Up / Wild Flowers / Photon Torpedo 2:55
12. The Drones Attack 4:15
13. The Riker Maneuver 3:15
14. Stay With Me 1:48
15. The Same Race 2:50
16. The Collector 1:10
17. No Threat 4:18
18. Tractor Beam 0:38
19. The Healing Process (revised) 5:04
20. The Healing Process (original version) 7:17
21. End Credits 5:30

Total Time:
71:37

Any speculation as to which alternates might be here but unlisted?

 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2013 - 5:01 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Maybe a hidden wild cue at the end? Jerry shooting the shit with the orchestra?

 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2013 - 5:02 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Man, I haven't listened to this in a while. Forgot how awesome "The Drones Attack" was.

 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2013 - 5:05 PM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

Great news!!

 
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