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This is a comments thread about FSM CD: Star Trek: The Next Generation: The Ron Jones Project
 
 Posted:   Oct 11, 2010 - 1:12 PM   
 By:   David Sones (Allardyce)   (Member)


My only regret is that I'm now so old that I can't have this music on and play with Star Trek figures anymore frown



 
 
 Posted:   Oct 12, 2010 - 8:25 AM   
 By:   DanH   (Member)

I've been listening to this since Friday night and I can't seem to get more than halfway through it. I get to Where Silence Has Lease and start over again. It's been a dream to get this for about 20 years and every time find a complaint (like wanting Fatal Decision/Auto Destruct cut like it was in Booby Trap), it's rendered meaningless if I'd just go a little further in the set.

I have to say thank you to SAE for shipping this out USPS. I could be wrong, but I was pretty sure I selected UPS ground when I pre-ordered a month ago. If they did upgrade this, they did it entirely on their own when they certainly didn't have to. They get a big Thanks for that.

But not as big a Thank You that Lukas gets for this. I mentioned in an earlier topic that this might have been his dream project to produce, but this was my dream project to buy. I got a little twinge of hope after Best of Trek Vol.1 with bits of Heart of Glory badly mashed together that we'd get more Ron Jones. It took a bloody long time, but this set was worth it.

However, there is no such thing as a satisfied fan boy, and this fan boy wants more. There's still other gold mines in TNG alone worth releasing like "Code of Honor," "Too Short a Season," "Arsenal of Freedom," and "Time Squared." It doesn't have to be a massive box set like this one. Just a 2 CD set that would cost us around $30 and limited to 3,000 copies would be great. I'm also willing to take a "shut up and and I'll try" message from Lukas like with Trek III. Just give us some fleck of navel lint of hope. big grin

 
 Posted:   Oct 12, 2010 - 11:15 AM   
 By:   Beachhead   (Member)

It's really surprising how low the volume is on a lot of these tracks were when they played them on the show. The music in where silence has lease for example can hardly be heard, so much better when this music can finally be heard as intended.

 
 Posted:   Oct 12, 2010 - 11:25 AM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

The other great thing about this set is discovering scores for episodes that I didn't revisit as often or weren't considered favorites, such as "The Battle", "When The Bough Breaks" and "Up The Long Ladder". The episodes themselves may not be winners, but for sure the music for each has some standout themes and sequences. I immediately went to those select scores that I had always loved and for favorite episodes and so now that a few weeks have passed I can circle back around and check out the gems I initially missed.

 
 Posted:   Oct 12, 2010 - 11:29 AM   
 By:   Glenn Butler   (Member)

I'm making my way through the set slowly and finding that every episode offers something to catch the ear. The quotations of Goldsmith's theme are particularly welcome.

Incidentally, is it just me or is the theme from "When the Bough Breaks" reminiscent of SpaceCamp?

 
 Posted:   Oct 12, 2010 - 12:00 PM   
 By:   Mathew   (Member)

Oh man, I envy you guys. Still waiting for the set to arrive...

 
 Posted:   Oct 12, 2010 - 12:12 PM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

Oh man, I envy you guys. Still waiting for the set to arrive...

Same here... I've been going through some of the episodes of the second and third seasons in anticipation. Fingers crossed for tomorrow smile

 
 Posted:   Oct 12, 2010 - 12:32 PM   
 By:   Grozebear   (Member)

Just received this beautiful set in today. Immediately tore into "The High Ground" as that was always one of my favorite Ron scores.

A big thanks to Lukas - never in my wildest dreams would I have thought that I would be listening to a collection of Ron Jones' scores from TNG. Live long and prosper.

Also a big thanks to Chris and Ed at SAE - the customer service is top notch!

 
 Posted:   Oct 12, 2010 - 3:48 PM   
 By:   Julian K   (Member)

Still waiting for my signed copy, here in the UK, too.

A separate SAE order shipped four days earlier, and that arrived on Friday, so I'm hoping it will arrive tomorrow or Thursday... fingers crossed!

 
 Posted:   Oct 14, 2010 - 3:40 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

My copy arrived! Almost missed it as the postman rang when I was still in bed (had to jump in some clothes and race downstairs). I did have to pay 10 euro customs fees (all in all still ok, I've had worse). The set itself arrived in perfect condition thanks to the excellent service of SAE!

Here are some pictures I took:



Again, I would like to thank FSM for releasing this. I have to say, when news broke that a TNG boxset would be on the horizon, I could have never imagined that it would be this cool. Thank you for a dream come true Lukas & all the people involved at FSM/SAE!

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 14, 2010 - 4:15 AM   
 By:   gregorioumbria   (Member)

Great pics from the superb set Scorealot. Thx for showing it to us in detail.
Here in Madrid I'm still waiting for it for hopeful I'll receive it soon.
It has reached to other people in EU so its a matter of days, or hours.

Enjoy your set !

 
 Posted:   Oct 14, 2010 - 4:41 AM   
 By:   Moonie   (Member)

Nice pictures , way better than me, my wife is the photo person, I love my set , Thanks bunches Lukas and all involved.

 
 Posted:   Oct 14, 2010 - 7:32 AM   
 By:   jedizim   (Member)

So far I have made it through the first 4 discs, and I have to say that I am extremely pleased that I bought this set. The music has enough variety that it never wears out its welcome or gets boring, it is dramatic and adventurous as well as very entertaining. I used to watch ST:TNG occasionally, but by no means was I a die hard Trekkie(er?) so a most of this is relatively new to me, but it was well worth the price in my opinion!

 
 Posted:   Oct 14, 2010 - 8:30 AM   
 By:   Beachhead   (Member)

A question concerning "Human Factor" the version on the alternates disk has much more percussion and pop to it than the second version.

Did Ron write this alternate first; the one with the drums, have it rejected, then write the version on disk 8, have that rejected again, and then splice together the stuff from where silence has lease, or did he reject his own heavy pop version before submitting it for approval and tone it down a bit by removing the drums only to have that rejected?

 
 Posted:   Oct 14, 2010 - 9:03 AM   
 By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)

A question concerning "Human Factor" the version on the alternates disk has much more percussion and pop to it than the second version.

Did Ron write this alternate first; the one with the drums, have it rejected, then write the version on disk 8, have that rejected again, and then splice together the stuff from where silence has lease, or did he reject his own heavy pop version before submitting it for approval and tone it down a bit by removing the drums only to have that rejected?


Going by the take numbers my assumption is that the version with extra pop drums on disc 13 was the initial version, then Ron tried to placate the producer on the scoring stage (typical comment: "I don't know if Rick's gonna like all those drums...") by doing the version on disc 8. Then during the dub Berman rejected the cue entirely, and Ron and music editor Gerry Sackman went through past scores looking for something else to use instead, and found the music from "Where Silence Has Lease."

Lukas

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2010 - 4:57 AM   
 By:   Robert0320   (Member)

I have only listened to the first 2 discs (so far) and...I'm underwhelmed. I guess I was spoiled by the quality of the original series' composers (Courage, Fried and Steiner). Competently written, but thus far, nothing really grabs me. Oh well, it was an expensive impulse buy. Perhaps the remaining scores will speak to me.

Packaging wise, FSM have done a stellar job and it was nice getting an autographed edition.

 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2010 - 5:14 AM   
 By:   Scott M (Oldsmith)   (Member)

Yikes, a $150 impulse buy? Maybe the recession is over after all. The samples are a pretty good indication of the kind of music Jones provided, was it really that much of a blind buy for you?

The TNG scores never reach the operatic heights of the original series music, but Jones does come as close as he could get away with (and then some), even if it was simply his personal style to be bold. Keep going, there really is some great stuff in there. But if you're not really into it, my advice is to pace yourself. I like his music and I have to stop after awhile, just to take a break from that style.

Worst case, I'm sure you could sell it.

 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2010 - 9:10 AM   
 By:   Beachhead   (Member)

My rough list of favorites, i'm a bit biased as these have always been my favorites from the show:
* Next to my top tracks.

Data's Brother
Blocked Path
Skins Game
Tashas Goodbye *
Trouble Zone
Romulan Encounter *
Fake Attack
Anbo-Jytsu
Attacked/Stay
Out of Your League/Let's Get Out Of Here *
Double Star
System Failure/30 Seconds to Implosion
The Vision
Saving Palmer
Nothing Beyond Reach *
The Trap *
Human Factor & Alternate *
Scout Ship *
Rescue *
The Stand-Off *
Terrorist Attack *
Data Takes Over
Cascade Sequence
Sleight Of Hand/Wrong Data
Fatal Decision/Auto Destruct (medley) *

 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2010 - 12:11 PM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

I have only listened to the first 2 discs (so far) and...I'm underwhelmed. I guess I was spoiled by the quality of the original series' composers (Courage, Fried and Steiner). Competently written, but thus far, nothing really grabs me. Oh well, it was an expensive impulse buy. Perhaps the remaining scores will speak to me.

Packaging wise, FSM have done a stellar job and it was nice getting an autographed edition.


While the 1st season of TNG had scores closest to the original series in terms of bombast, you really have to put yourself in a different head space when diving into this music. The music by Courage, Steiner, Fried and Kaplan had different antecedents and progenitors from films of the 50's and 60's, while Jones composed his music on the model of Goldsmith's orchestral/electronic hybrid scores of the 70's/80's with a dash of Herrmann's use of motifs and ostinato.

 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2010 - 7:34 PM   
 By:   Moonie   (Member)

I have only listened to the first 2 discs (so far) and...I'm underwhelmed. I guess I was spoiled by the quality of the original series' composers (Courage, Fried and Steiner). Competently written, but thus far, nothing really grabs me. Oh well, it was an expensive impulse buy. Perhaps the remaining scores will speak to me.

Packaging wise, FSM have done a stellar job and it was nice getting an autographed edition.


While the 1st season of TNG had scores closest to the original series in terms of bombast, you really have to put yourself in a different head space when diving into this music. The music by Courage, Steiner, Fried and Kaplan had different antecedents and progenitors from films of the 50's and 60's, while Jones composed his music on the model of Goldsmith's orchestral/electronic hybrid scores of the 70's/80's with a dash of Herrmann's use of motifs and ostinato.


Well said Tom, I cant get enough of this set , I just love it!!

 
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