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 Posted:   Dec 18, 2010 - 11:42 AM   
 By:   RM Eastman   (Member)

As soon as I get paid, I'm ordering this baby, Williams and Conti are my favorites!


Henry:

I may give you my copy, let me think about it??

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2010 - 11:44 AM   
 By:   RM Eastman   (Member)

Other than Goldsmith's STAR TREK scores, and a couple more, Goldsmith doesn't do much for me either.


That is your problem.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2010 - 11:46 AM   
 By:   RM Eastman   (Member)

I like the end credits ant the source music. Thats about it,


Boy, this really is a boring score. I plowed thru it a few times and goodness is it ever a sleeper. Never could understand why he was Speilberg's composer of choice when he could have had Goldsmith??????????????????????????


Solution: go out and purchase label maker (if you don't have one already). Use label maker to make a label that reads "Music composed and conducted by Jerry Goldsmith". Place label over the area of the front of the booklet that reads "Music composed and conducted by John Williams".

Result: "Wow guys, I'm so happy about this new Goldsmith release! I can't believe it's taken this long to make it available! TOTALLY a 5 star, classic suspense score! This release backs up my CONSTANT, NEVER ENDING claims that Goldsmith is the one true God that I would kneel before (heh heh) without a moments hesitation and that hack Williams (shakes fist at the monitor in anger) could never equal his blindingly shiny brilliance! By the way, does anyone have any nude photos of Mr Goldsmith that they'd like to trade?

In conclusion: Goldsmith = champion of all that is good and holy in the universe, Williams = boring hack who I'll never forgive for almost always overshadowing my idol Goldsmith in the wider popularity stakes and unconfirmed (though I suspect it to be true) puppy crusher."



Sorry, I'm not one of those "Goldsmith is God" folks. I like way more Williams scores than I do Goldsmith scores. Family Plot just is not one of them. I love the new Home Alone CD.




To each their own.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2010 - 11:53 AM   
 By:   RM Eastman   (Member)

As soon as I get paid, I'm ordering this baby, Williams and Conti are my favorites!


No doubt Williams is an excellent film composer, although his absolute music sucks big time. Conti is 4th rate and I find most if his scores intolerable, in other words he stinks. To put him in the same league as Williams and Goldsmith is an insult to those two superb composers.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2010 - 11:55 AM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

As soon as I get paid, I'm ordering this baby, Williams and Conti are my favorites!


No doubt Williams is an excellent film composer, although his absolute music sucks big time. Conti is 4th rate and I find most if his scores intolerable, in other words he stinks.


That's your problem, to each his own.razz

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2010 - 11:59 AM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

You seem angry RM. And is it always necessary to try to insult people for disagreeing with you?

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2010 - 12:09 PM   
 By:   RM Eastman   (Member)

You seem angry RM. And is it always necessary to try to insult people for disagreeing with you?

I'm sorry, Henry, I did not mean to insult you. If I did, I apologize. I think Williams is excellent, but I would not put him in Goldsmith;s league either.


My first tier of composers are; Goldsmith, Korngold, Steiner, Herrmann, North, Bernstein, Waxman, Alfred Newman, Rozsa and a few others.

Second: Tiomkin, Raksin, Friedhofer, Gold, Kaper, Mancini, Previn, Rosenthal, Schifrin,V. Young, C. Young, Howard, McCreary, John Scott, RR Bennett and a few others.

Generally dislike: Horner, Williams, Jarre, Conti and several others

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2010 - 12:23 PM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

You seem angry RM. And is it always necessary to try to insult people for disagreeing with you?

I'm sorry, Henry, I did not mean to insult you. If I did, I apologize. I think Williams is excellent, but I would not put him in Goldsmith;s league either.


My first tier of composers are; Goldsmith, Korngold, Steiner, Herrmann, North, Bernstein, Waxman, Alfred Newman, and a few others.


You didn't insult me, I knew you were going to say that. You're entitled to your opinion, but so am I. In my opinion Williams is tops. In yours Goldsmith is. But does it really matter? What matters is we enjoy their music.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2010 - 12:26 PM   
 By:   RM Eastman   (Member)

You seem angry RM. And is it always necessary to try to insult people for disagreeing with you?

I'm sorry, Henry, I did not mean to insult you. If I did, I apologize. I think Williams is excellent, but I would not put him in Goldsmith;s league either.


My first tier of composers are; Goldsmith, Korngold, Steiner, Herrmann, North, Bernstein, Waxman, Alfred Newman, and a few others.


You didn't insult me, I knew you were going to say that. You're entitled to your opinion, but so am I. In my opinion Williams is tops. In yours Goldsmith is. But does it really matter? What matters is we enjoy their music.


So true, Henry, in general I just love music. Don't buy "Family Plot" yet let me think about, I may give it to you.

 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2010 - 12:42 PM   
 By:   Peter Greenhill   (Member)

Doesn't anyone complaining here listen to samples? It was very clear from the samples that we were getting a suspense score from Williams and not his typical orchestral stuff. I just finished watching the movie and I quite liked the theme so I can't wait until I get my copy on Christmas wink

I wasn't complaining, just expressing an opinion. I did listen to samples but what sounded great over a few minutes was disappointing over an hour.

Anyway, I'll give it another listen after watching the film.

 
 Posted:   Dec 19, 2010 - 4:09 AM   
 By:   dave norris   (Member)

Doesn't anyone complaining here listen to samples? It was very clear from the samples that we were getting a suspense score from Williams and not his typical orchestral stuff. I just finished watching the movie and I quite liked the theme so I can't wait until I get my copy on Christmas wink

I wasn't complaining, just expressing an opinion. I did listen to samples but what sounded great over a few minutes was disappointing over an hour.

Anyway, I'll give it another listen after watching the film.


Still waiting for my copy here on the South Coast Pete, along with ST:V and Batman Returns. We are having serious problems with the post down here (not restricted to my cd's). All very annoying I can't join in the discussion!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 20, 2010 - 10:43 AM   
 By:   Adam S   (Member)

Never could understand why he was Speilberg's composer of choice when he could have had Goldsmith??????????????????????????

This might have been a head-scratcher in 1973 but a few years later with Jaws it became self-evident. It is most dramatic to take a snapshot of 1993 where the top ten grossing films domestically were:
1. Star Wars
2. ET
3. Jurassic Park
4. Return of the Jedi
5. The Empire Strikes Back
6. Home Alone
7. Jaws
8. Batman
9. Raiders of the Lost Ark
10. Ghostbusters

8/10 of the highest grossing films of all time in a city where money rules Hollywood was unprecedented for any person whether it be actor or director, much less a film composer. Those are all quality projects but they were also projects where music was required to play a very important role. Certain conclusions follow fairly naturally from that.

Subjective reactions to the music itself will of course vary. There’s not an artist in the world who has found a way to overcome that.

- Adam

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 22, 2010 - 12:06 PM   
 By:   Adam S   (Member)

I received the score and I’ve been enjoying it more than I thought I would. I’ve seen Family Plot a few times in order to hear the music but it has been awhile so the music manages to feel fresh in a way that Home Alone didn’t, for no fault of its own. I’m enjoying the way he interweaves all the different musical themes, balancing an eccentric mix of the mysterious and whimsical that, as usual, sums up accurately the direction of the film. And like the film, there’s not much dramatic or emotional range beyond that so that limits the appeal somewhat. But overall it is a very unique score for him and I’m very grateful to have this finally.

- Adam

 
 Posted:   Dec 22, 2010 - 12:19 PM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

There are subtle nods and hommage to Herrmann, the low register ominous strings, ostinato french horns, etc. Hitchcock was either too tired to notice, or too old to care.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 22, 2010 - 12:30 PM   
 By:   Adam S   (Member)

There are subtle nods and hommage to Herrmann, the low register ominous strings, ostinato french horns, etc. Hitchcock was either too tired to notice, or too old to care.

In a couple spots, it didn't seem very subtle but that's a good point. Williams is the type to have a certain amount of deference to the tradition he's a part of so I can see him wanting to give a nod of the hat to Hermann in so far as it worked dramatically in the film.

- Adam

 
 Posted:   Dec 22, 2010 - 2:16 PM   
 By:   indy4   (Member)

This is still a little surreal for me, to actually have my hands on a Family Plot release. The score is fantastic. Thank you Varese - in a year that has had tons of awesome releases from every label, this is definitely my favorite.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 1, 2011 - 2:02 PM   
 By:   ScottDS   (Member)

So I ordered a bunch of recent releases (and SAE managed to have them diverted to Florida where I was on vacation) and while I thought I'd spend most of the time listening to Poltergeist and First Blood, I'm pleased to say I spent most of my time listening to this one!

I've only seen the film once (it's harmless fun but it ain't Psycho or North by Northwest) but the samples got to me. As much as I enjoy Blanche's theme, I absolutely love the séance music (as heard in the first track).

Not to denigrate the music but this album is perfect comfort food for me - not too short or long, nothing too loud that will startle me out of my reverie, and a memorable theme.

Good work, Varese!

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2011 - 3:18 AM   
 By:   Vermithrax Pejorative   (Member)

This is a great score.
Quite important in the Williams canon, I think.
He must have been jazzed to work with Hitchcock, even if the material was a bit lacklustre.
I hear some hints of Herrmann too...although he did that in The Fury as well.
The choral stuff is amazing...a precursor to CE3K, as noted.
Williams is the top guy anyway, but 70s Williams is incredible to me.
If Varese meant what they infer in the notes, I'm looking forward to the original MIDWAY score tracks.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2011 - 6:44 AM   
 By:   Bob Bryden   (Member)

I was in a bit of shock listening to this release - at how incredibly good it is. I remember seeing the film and not noticing the music at all. I assume much was either dialed way down or out altogether. Then picked up several releases with the end credits (version and original) and thinking it was 'okay'. But the entire score, taken as a whole, is one of Williams's most enchanting 'cinema symphonies'. This is glorious. Many thanks to Varese.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2011 - 8:51 AM   
 By:   Luc Van der Eeken   (Member)

I grew up with the Star Wars and Indiana Jones scores but the last couple of years have seen a number of his seventies scores released (Images, Cinderella Liberty, Black Sunday and now this one) and I'm loving it just as much as his later output! He's always been my favorite composer but my appreciation for the man keeps growing. Family Plot is ace!

 
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