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 Posted:   Apr 27, 2011 - 7:21 PM   
 By:   Anthony Marose   (Member)

I always thought it was strange that a small label like Perservance was able to snag such a big sought after title like Slipstream when the other bigger labels didn't. Now I know why.

And I think it's fair to suggest that is why everyone feels deceived; they gave "props" to Robin and his label for working honestly and hard for such a huge release, and all the while, he was working in the shade. I don't buy he didn't know the rules--if in fact that is his excuse. Perseverance Records needs to go away. Enough is enough with this under-handed bullshit, sorry.

 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2011 - 7:34 PM   
 By:   David-R.   (Member)

I remember a while back MV was mad (and probably rightly so) at Mr. Esterhammer because of some releases MV claimed were bootlegged. I remember there was Deadly Friend, Fade to Black, and one more. Anyway, I have to say that because of today's news (and other rumors), it's really lowered my opinion of Perseverance.

 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2011 - 7:39 PM   
 By:   Trent B   (Member)

Plus it seems a good portion of you seemed to forget that Roger tried to obtain the rights for this and he said to was next to impossible. So both Roger and MV essentially warned everyone but most of you basically refused to listen to them and heed their advice.

 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2011 - 7:39 PM   
 By:   Holly   (Member)

And I think it's fair to suggest that is why everyone feels deceived; they gave "props" to Robin and his label for working honestly and hard for such a huge release, and all the while, he was working in the shade. I don't buy he didn't know the rules--if in fact that is his excuse. Perseverance Records needs to go away. Enough is enough with this under-handed bullshit, sorry.

I can honestly say that is *eggsactly* how I feel Anthony. (I just finished reading this thread.) If there is one THING I cannot stand, it is deception. Pure and simple. I hate being lied too, I abhor being deceived, and it makes me ill to think I was so willing to place my trust (and not to mention GRATITUDE) in someone who marketed a so-called 'legit' product.

And people wonder why I can be jaded at times.

And once again, I shall also not forget: "The weak in courage is strong in cunning."

 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2011 - 7:39 PM   
 By:   BasilFSM   (Member)

Okay, apologies then. I'll edit out my original post.

I admire your humility, kind sir. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2011 - 7:44 PM   
 By:   AndyDursin   (Member)

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned their RED SONJA CD has not one copyright notice anywhere on the disc...nowhere. So this is not a shocker really...

 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2011 - 7:45 PM   
 By:   Anthony Marose   (Member)

Plus it seems a good portion of you seemed to forget that Roger tried to obtain the rights for this and he said to was next to impossible. So both Roger and MV essentially warned everyone but most of you basically refused to listen to them and heed their advice.

In fairness to the buyers, there was no way of knowing for sure that it was a bootleg release. What were people to do? Miss out on something that could have been legit because they were skeptical? Things change all the time, and I think that's what everyone submitted their faith to--that perhaps a guy like Robin was finally given a break, or even a patch of luck. However, it hasn't been the case. Plain and simple, Robin deceived his customers in a big way, and I think it's a punch in the face to come on here--in light of the truth--and try to bark at Lukas or to defend his silly actions. He should have spent that time apologizing to everyone.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2011 - 7:57 PM   
 By:   Taylor Fenno   (Member)

Wow! I just bought my first and last Perseverance record. It wasn't Slipstream, but still...that's it.

 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2011 - 8:02 PM   
 By:   TheSeeker   (Member)

Yep. So what are you going to do with YOUR copy?

Probably just keep it to myself or destroy it, as all boots should be. I haven't decided yet.


Good Lord...that's some well-spent money, then. Why don't you pout and stomp your feet while you're at it, Lucas?

Melodramatics 101, this thread is...

 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2011 - 8:24 PM   
 By:   David-R.   (Member)

Yep. So what are you going to do with YOUR copy?

Probably just keep it to myself or destroy it, as all boots should be. I haven't decided yet.


Good Lord...that's some well-spent money, then. Why don't you pout and stomp your feet while you're at it, Lukas?

Melodramatics 101, this thread is...


Destroying a bootleg is now a dramatic act? Why? I've thrown away some of my own (when I learned they were bootlegs). Doing the right thing in this instance isn't dramatic at all. At least until you made something out of it.



I'm surprised nobody has mentioned their RED SONJA CD has not one copyright notice anywhere on the disc...nowhere. So this is not a shocker really...

I'm sure I'm not the only one who looked at my LE CDs stack and wondered if they're all legit after reading this thread. Sure, while Slipstream was a boot, all Perseverance releases might not be... but we just don't know, and uncertainty isn't my favorite thing.

 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2011 - 8:26 PM   
 By:   BasilFSM   (Member)

Good Lord...that's some well-spent money, then. Why don't you pout and stomp your feet while you're at it, Lukas?

Melodramatics 101, this thread is...


I don't think that anyone who purchased this release had their money well spent now that this revelation has arisen, nor do I think of it as "melodramatics". The response to this news is more than reasonable.

By the way, my name is spelled with a C, not a K.

 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2011 - 8:37 PM   
 By:   T.J. Turner   (Member)

 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2011 - 8:38 PM   
 By:   TheSeeker   (Member)

Good Lord...that's some well-spent money, then. Why don't you pout and stomp your feet while you're at it, Lukas?

Melodramatics 101, this thread is...


I don't think that anyone who purchased this release had their money well spent now that this revelation has arisen, nor do I think of it as "melodramatics". The response to this news is more than reasonable.

By the way, my name is spelled with a C, not a K.


Changed your name...

...and my comment is on your reaction (one that I *do* understand where you're coming from with) is as if the CD had done you a great personal injustice. You, like 98% of the others, bought this CD in good faith and enjoyed the music, right? And because of this new situation, you're going back on the latter? By throwing the CD away...what ACTUAL purpose apart from the moral/conscientious one are you serving by that? Is ANYone going to think of you any less because you bought a CD that turned out to be a bad product? Or the reverse: is ANYone going to think more highly of you because you're shredding it?

*That* is what simply doesn't make any sense to me...but then again, I'm just a geologist, so what do I know?!

Christian

PS: And just in case: I'm half-joking, half-serious on this.

 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2011 - 8:40 PM   
 By:   Holly   (Member)


I don't think that anyone who purchased this release had their money well spent now that this revelation has arisen, nor do I think of it as "melodramatics". The response to this news is more than reasonable.


Hear, hear, Luc.

And why in the Sam Hill shouldn't I (or anyone, for that matter) be pissed that our money went into someones' pocket who was NOT selling a legit item?

Damn right I'm mad.

 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2011 - 8:42 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Whoa! FSM drama. I almost didn't pick up this CD.

Great score. I'm eager to see Robin's response. This is gonna go for big bucks on ebay...

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2011 - 8:45 PM   
 By:   Bond1965   (Member)

As usual, everyone is in hysterics and making grand statements when you all know you'll keep the damn thing and enjoy it.

Can we just all calm down and quit trying to be all morally superior when it's just hypocrisy?

James

 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2011 - 8:45 PM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

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 Posted:   Apr 27, 2011 - 8:45 PM   
 By:   TheSeeker   (Member)


I don't think that anyone who purchased this release had their money well spent now that this revelation has arisen, nor do I think of it as "melodramatics". The response to this news is more than reasonable.


Hear, hear, Luc.

And why in the Sam Hill shouldn't I (or anyone, for that matter) be pissed that our money went into someones' pocket who was NOT selling a legit item?

Damn right I'm mad.


No contest, Holly. One could spin this even further and either send the CD back to SAE/Intrada and ask for a refund. But they're in the same situation, right? They had no prior knowledge of this.

So do you want to send the CD straight back to Robin Esterhammer, with a letter asking for your money back? In my mind, that would be the only way to "solve" this problem, but you can probably imagine what the chances of this succeeding would be like.

The life of a film music enthusiast is complicated indeed!

 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2011 - 8:46 PM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

As usual, everyone is in hysterics and making grand statements when you all know you'll keep the damn thing and enjoy it.

I might keep it, but I'm one of the few who didn't love it all that much. . . So you may be half right! big grin

 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2011 - 8:50 PM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

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