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This is a comments thread about Blog Post: Ben-Hur Lives! by Lukas Kendall
 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2012 - 12:59 PM   
 By:   Ed Leachman   (Member)

Another teapot tempest to reinforce Mr. Kendall's decision to get out of the production business.

Ingrates.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2012 - 1:05 PM   
 By:   Erik Donovan   (Member)

Not really, I have a 117+ singles and a few more box sets to go then I will be happy. I will not sell them here on the FSM Trading Post, they will end up on Amazon and eBay. A few people have sent e-mails to me asking if I have certain titles, please check your e-mails, I have replied with what titles are still available, with prices below the original price, thank you.

Oh, wow....you know you've seriously lost it, mate.


Yeah, I have lost it, that is why I have $1,435.00 in my PayPal account that came in less than 48 hours in just FSM release sales!! They were all used (not sealed) and sold for less than the original price! I am making some people very happy and cleansing my collection. Call me crazy, oh well, I now have some extra money that was just sitting on my shelves and the titles sold so far will not be missed. No, I did not rip them to another media, I have always believed in the pure sound of CD.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2012 - 1:22 PM   
 By:   John Smith   (Member)

John Smith,

Okay, I confess I regret that our interchange has gone sour. Let's just say I am stupefied by the reactions to what I consider to be a good and fan-friendly decision.


You said:

As I said, you refuse to address the real issues I raise


OK, so let's back track.

Let's re-cap: what are the real issues you raise?

I thought I'd got them but maybe I didn't.


You said:

I asked you very straightforward questions to which the answer is either "yes" or "no". For example:

Am I right in assuming that, in your opinion, every soundtrack producer has the right to press as many copies of limited releases as his fancy takes him - as long as he feels the market can take it? If Bruce wants to press five thousand copies of his CDs he can do so with impunity - he doesn't even have to tell us that there are more than the "legal" 1000 copies (or so) in existence?

And you turn this into:

"Do I think Lukas should be able to re-press CDs? Yes, as long as it's legal."

I don't have to tell you that this is not the question I asked you.



The reason I didn't answer the question as you put it is it was a leading and loaded question. The last sentence, a loaded rider which introduces presupposed criminal activity, is designed to make it impossible for me to say 'yes'.

If I take the first part alone: "Am I right in assuming that, in your opinion, every soundtrack producer has the right to press as many copies of limited releases as his fancy takes him - as long as he feels the market can take it?"

The answer is an absolute, emphatic YES. Why not? Don't you?

I don't give a stuff for the preciousness of limitedness. It's the music and it's availability to those who want to enjoy it I champion.

But the leading and loaded part, the: "doesn't even have to tell us that there are more than the "legal" 1000 copies (or so) in existence?"

I didn't say I supported unlicensed re-pressings. And I won't be 'led' into saying that either. When Lukas over-ran the agreed print runs in the past, I was disappointed. However, I felt he made amends and set things right.

You raised the spectre of legality here. You also previously raised the UK Sales Of Goods Act before, and talked about this act upsetting "enforcers of consumer protection legislation."

Let's just be clear. Do you think Lukas is acting illegally here?

I know in an earlier post you protested that Lukas can't be trusted; that you suspected he knew all along he would be re-pressing and the initial limit was just to dupe people into buying. Well, if you believe that's true, I can understand your protest about that. Personally, I don't believe that and I think he took a fan-friendly decision by extending the run. I do not think he is morally wrong to do it for further financial gain either.

Cheers


Mr Woolston,

First, let me say that I am only too happy to foster a more convivial relationship between us.

I hope you had the opportunity of reading my earlier post in which I quote Doug Fake. It offers irrefutable evidence that my opinions are reflected in the upper echelons of the soundtrack industry.

As for your remarks above, I didn't actually say that Lukas can't be trusted at all. I said that people with a strong Machiavellian bent might suspect that he had a master plan involving a subsequent repressing of Ben-Hur. This was pure speculation on my part as does not necessarily refect my own opinion.

I have, however, stated in later posts that trust is extremely important in the soundtrack business and the legend printed on each CD stating the print-run is a reflection of that trust. Doug Fake says much the same thing in the quote I cited earlier. Please read it if you haven't already.

If Lukas insists on repressing Ben-Hur with the same legend as before ("limited to a pressing of 2,000"), then he is setting himself up for justifiable censure. Whatever you say about "a fan-friendly decision" (which I happen to agree with and support), it doesn't change my belief that no soundtrack producer is comfortable with what Lukas has done in the past and is doing now. Bruce Kimmel has deliberately refrained from commenting directly on Lukas's actions and there is no comment from Doug Fake on the Intrada website. If Lukas's actions were not perceived as morally or ethically wrong in the eyes of the business, you can rest assured that support for him would have poured in from these quarters. The deafening silence suggests tacit disapproval for the reasons I have repeated time and again.

 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2012 - 1:24 PM   
 By:   mildcigar   (Member)

, that is why I have $1,435.00 in my PayPal account that came in less than 48 hours in just FSM release sales!! They were all used (not sealed) and sold for less than the original price! I am making some people very happy and cleansing my collection. Call me crazy, oh well, I now have some extra money that was just sitting on my shelves and the titles sold so far will not be missed. No, I did not rip them to another media, I have always believed in the pure sound of CD.

Seek advice before it is too late.

Save yourself.

 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2012 - 1:33 PM   
 By:   Johnnyecks   (Member)

Wow.

We are still talking about MUSIC right?


I'm embarrassed for Lukas. He has to be counting down to when he is out of this whole mess.

Lighten up folks. He didn't rob your house or kill you dog. These are CDs. With MUSIC on them. Not the end of the world.

 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2012 - 1:34 PM   
 By:   Ed Leachman   (Member)


If Lukas insists on repressing Ben-Hur with the same legend as before ("limited to a pressing of 2,000"), then he is setting himself up for justifiable censure.


My box says "THIS PRESSING IS LIMITED TO 2,000 COPIES" which is totally different in meaning to "limited to a pressing of 2,000"

 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2012 - 1:38 PM   
 By:   bdm   (Member)

...If there is something on the back cover that indicates that this is a second printing/pressing, then the "limited to 2000 copies" would still be accurate, as it says, "This pressing is limited to 2000 copies." Which is different from, "This edition is limited to 2000 copies," or "this title" etc.

More sets are now available for those who would like them - I hope it sells out quickly too, and Lukas has to repress another 2000!

If you only bought the set because Lukas posted that it was a 2000 pressing, then you have a right to complain as you could argue you were lied to - though Lukas also stated he hoped the set could stay in circulation...

Seems that the days of editions selling out are gone - which takes the pressure off; which can be both good and bad.

 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2012 - 1:47 PM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

If Lukas insists on repressing Ben-Hur with the same legend as before ("limited to a pressing of 2,000"), then he is setting himself up for justifiable censure.

This is a nonsense. You have no legitimate argument.
All the sets are labeled correctly.
A CD from the first pressing was one of 2000.
And when the next pressing arrives, each set purchased will also be one of a pressing of 2000.
If there's a third pressing of 2000, the legend on the back will still be correct.
You apparently want the pressings distinguished from each other, at additional printing expense, for some unjustified reason. There is no reason why they should be, nor is there any logical argument you can make for there being such a reason. The description on the case of either pressing is 100% correct.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2012 - 1:48 PM   
 By:   jkannry   (Member)

I for one am very grateful. Without this I would have missed out entirely. Postponed figuring never would sell out. Thanks Lucas.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2012 - 1:48 PM   
 By:   Erik Donovan   (Member)

, that is why I have $1,435.00 in my PayPal account that came in less than 48 hours in just FSM release sales!! They were all used (not sealed) and sold for less than the original price! I am making some people very happy and cleansing my collection. Call me crazy, oh well, I now have some extra money that was just sitting on my shelves and the titles sold so far will not be missed. No, I did not rip them to another media, I have always believed in the pure sound of CD.

Seek advice before it is too late.

Save yourself.


I am saved! That is 3 months of major utilities bills!

 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2012 - 1:50 PM   
 By:   BasilFSM   (Member)

I have to wonder if certain people in this thread are legitimately butthurt and throwing a temper tantrum because Lukas Kendall "lied" to them, or if they're only here to troll the boards and/or are seeking attention from everyone else to satisfy their own inflated, entitled ego.

News flash: Lukas Kendall runs his own business and he can do whatever he wants with it. Deal with it.

Or go cry some more. Maybe someday you'll grow up to be an adult and look back at this, laugh at how pitiful, childish, and selfish you're acting, and put away the negativity and grow some positive energy for a change - though I imagine the day THAT happens is when FSM goes dead.

 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2012 - 1:51 PM   
 By:   Trent B.   (Member)

This thread has become a major disgrace and needs to be locked..

I don't get why some people get all up in arms about scores that get more pressings than what was originally released. I'm actually glad labels to this for scores that sold out in a good timely manor but press more copies for those who missed the original run.

I regret getting rid of my Superman Blue Box set. I'll probably pick up another copy at some point. That's actually a good example of doing more pressings after the original run sells out so more people can have a chance to get it.

Also for this idiot who claims Lukas has "lied" to customers for four years is really damn pathetic and needs a beating for his own good. It is also retarded that this same person is going to sell off his Intrada and FSM collection because he was "lied" too about the Ben Hur set and Intrada re-releasing the corrected version of Predator.

Some people really do need mental help...

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2012 - 1:52 PM   
 By:   Erik Donovan   (Member)

BasilFSM / alias Pinkie Pie,

Still kissing purple MLP butt I see!

 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2012 - 1:56 PM   
 By:   Mark Langdon   (Member)

, that is why I have $1,435.00 in my PayPal account that came in less than 48 hours in just FSM release sales!! They were all used (not sealed) and sold for less than the original price! I am making some people very happy and cleansing my collection. Call me crazy, oh well, I now have some extra money that was just sitting on my shelves and the titles sold so far will not be missed. No, I did not rip them to another media, I have always believed in the pure sound of CD.

Seek advice before it is too late.

Save yourself.


I am saved! That is 3 months of major utilities bills!


Why are you still here? Surely if you are so deeply offended by whatever it is you think Lukas has done that you feel you have to sell all your FSM CDs (which will not change the fact that you have already given Lukas money for all those CDs, so you're not exactly sticking it to the man with your futile gesture), then you should also stop using his internet message board.

 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2012 - 1:59 PM   
 By:   BasilFSM   (Member)

BasilFSM / alias Pinkie Pie,

Still kissing purple MLP butt I see!


It's a far healthier and happier prospect than selling off your entire collection simply because you felt "disgraced" by what one record label head posted. I'm better off being happy with my passion instead of being angry.

It's never too late to change your attitude.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2012 - 2:08 PM   
 By:   Erik Donovan   (Member)

Computer lock up...next

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2012 - 2:11 PM   
 By:   Erik Donovan   (Member)

Everyone say that Lukas owns his business and he can run it the way he wants and I agree with that. My collection has been made with my money over the years to support his business. Can I not do what I want to with MY collection? I paid for every release just like everyone else.

 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2012 - 2:18 PM   
 By:   Ed Leachman   (Member)

Everyone say that Lukas owns his business and he can run it the way he wants and I agree with that. My collection has been made with my money over the years to support his business. Can I not do what I want to with MY collection? I paid for every release just like everyone else.

"I bought this watermelon and now I'm selling it!"

 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2012 - 2:27 PM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

JOHN SMITH: If Lukas insists on repressing Ben-Hur with the same legend as before ("limited to a pressing of 2,000"), then he is setting himself up for justifiable censure.






This is a nonsense. You have no legitimate argument.
All the sets are labeled correctly.
A CD from the first pressing was one of 2000.
And when the next pressing arrives, each set purchased will also be one of a pressing of 2000.
If there's a third pressing of 2000, the legend on the back will still be correct.
You apparently want the pressings distinguished from each other, at additional printing expense, for some unjustified reason. There is no reason why they should be, nor is there any logical argument you can make for there being such a reason. The description on the case of either pressing is 100% correct.

And to continue... apart from anything else, having gone to such lengths to argue against the wording on the back, you'd do well to quote it accurately and not skew it to meet your needs.
Your invented so-called quote of "limited to a pressing of 2,000" suggests a limitation of one pressing. In fact, the legend on the case says no such thing at all. It says "THIS PRESSING IS LIMITED TO 2000 COPIES" which if anything is suggestive of further pressings.
Your arguments are hogwash, I'm afraid.

 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2012 - 2:27 PM   
 By:   BasilFSM   (Member)

Everyone say that Lukas owns his business and he can run it the way he wants and I agree with that.

If you truly believed that, you wouldn't have come into this thread to argue about him changing his mind on not re-pressing Ben-Hur in the first place.

 
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