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 Posted:   Apr 10, 2014 - 10:33 PM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)

Somebody asked what we do if something is only released on physical media...obviously you buy the CD, which is what I did with the new Intrada Rozsa recording. I like the convenience of download, but if it's only available as a CD and I am interested in hearing the music, obviously I will buy the CD.

Unless of course you only want two or three tracks, in which case you think twice.

Or three times.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 11, 2014 - 12:24 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

Not only that, but it's significantly cheaper too. I downloaded that album from Amazon for $8.99. The CD cost $19.99 + shipping + tax.

People keep quoting this one album as an example. One album guys.

 
 Posted:   Apr 11, 2014 - 2:22 AM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)

Not only that, but it's significantly cheaper too. I downloaded that album from Amazon for $8.99. The CD cost $19.99 + shipping + tax.

People keep quoting this one album as an example. One album guys.



Well: and every Intrada/Disney/Marvel-release too. And they won't be the last.

More examples? Quobuz bills you € 12,99 for Bowie's The Next Day. In a brick-and-morter shop in the Netherlands you'll pay a whopping € 17,99. This of course is the same for every new popular music release.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 11, 2014 - 2:57 AM   
 By:   CinemaScope   (Member)



Not only that, but it's significantly cheaper too. I downloaded that album from Amazon for $8.99. The CD cost $19.99 + shipping + tax.


Not nearly cheap enough, they don't have to make the CD, print the booklet, supply the case & deliver the whole lot somewhere. Forget soundtracks, they're a special case, a lot more expensive than other music. Most of the time I can buy a CD for the same price or (a lot of the time) cheaper! And if I buy it secondhand, massively cheaper. And as has been stated many times, you buy a CD, you've also bought a download, just rip the CD.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 11, 2014 - 6:37 AM   
 By:   Traveling Matt   (Member)

Significantly cheap downloads are indeed somewhat anomalous. They're typically a little more expensive than CDs.

 
 Posted:   Apr 11, 2014 - 6:54 AM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)

Significantly cheap downloads are indeed somewhat anomalous. They're typically a little more expensive than CDs.

In the US perhaps, not here.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 11, 2014 - 9:53 AM   
 By:   Traveling Matt   (Member)

Most of Europe seems to favor CDs over downloads, even more than here in the US. Can you say what the overall preference is in the Netherlands, especially if downloads are cheaper?

 
 Posted:   Apr 11, 2014 - 9:58 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Significantly cheap downloads are indeed somewhat anomalous. They're typically a little more expensive than CDs.

In the US perhaps, not here.


Give it time. Give it time. Once they got you hooked on a new platform...

 
 Posted:   Apr 11, 2014 - 10:01 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Give it time. Give it time. Once they got you hooked on a new platform...

They will charge -- and I realize this is a radical thought, but I say it anyway -- what the market will bear.

 
 Posted:   Apr 11, 2014 - 10:26 AM   
 By:   Anthony Marose   (Member)

Possibly some good news for us lossless fans:

http://www.macrumors.com/2014/04/10/high-definition-itunes-music-downloads/

 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2014 - 3:06 AM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)

Possibly some good news for us lossless fans:

http://www.macrumors.com/2014/04/10/high-definition-itunes-music-downloads/


Uhm: http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=102819&forumID=1&archive=0


And to Traveling Matt: I can't speak for Europe of course. In the Netherlands the sales of physical media dropped 20% last year. Streaming took a flight. And when you're looking for a brick-and-morter store to buy cd's in the Netherlands, you gonna have a bad time.

The largest chain went bankrupt recently. With their disappearance in literally every Dutch city, most of the cd and dvd stores are now gone. Their former CFO was a speaker on one of my conferences last month and he told that there was no stopping the bankruptcy. It all went down and in went down fast.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 25, 2014 - 4:24 PM   
 By:   AMAFilmScoreFan   (Member)

To help those that have difficulty with transcoding, I have posted my BASH script below (compatible with Apple OS X, *IX, and likely Windows with Cygwin) that can transcode from nearly any audio format (whatever FFmpeg was compiled to support) into FLAC, ALAC, or LAME MP3 set to the highest-quality VBR that is considered transparent. This script is threaded (I don't think any other solution is faster than this script for large quantities of files) and will preserve the source metadata.

----------
#!/usr/bin/env bash
##########################################
### BEGIN USER MODIFICATION SECTION

#Set Job Concurrency
# I recommend transcoding the same directory to the same format
# and, each time, changing this parameter until you find the optimal
# one given the environment.
export NumJobs=3

### END USER MODIFICATION SECTION
##########################################
### BEGIN SUBROUTINE DEFINITIONS
manPage ()
{
cat << !
$PROGNAME version 1.0
This program assists with the rapid transcoding of audio files
to other formats. Its usage is described below.

$PROGNAME [-h,--help] SOURCE FORMAT
where
SOURCE is the case-sensitive extension of source files
to search for, e.g., supply "flaC" for files
that end in ".flaC".
FORMAT is the format that the source FLAC file will be
transcoded into. Currently, the only supported
options are MP3, ALAC, and FLAC (case insensitive).
More than one can be specified. If LIST is given,
it will list the source files it finds and will
not transcode.
-h,--help displays this page.

== NOTES ==
* Preferred usage is to change directory (cd) into the root directory
whose children directories (nested arbitrarily deep) contain the
SOURCE files.
* This program will transcode with a concurrency of ${NumJobs}.
* If no SOURCE files are found, it will not report or do anything.
* It is up to the users to determine the legality of using LAME for
their encoding.

== PREREQUISITES ==
* FFmpeg
* GNU BASH >=4.0
* GNU Parallel >=2013

== INSTALLATION ==
1. After the prerequisites are installed, copy this script (assuming
it is named transcode.sh) into a directory for executable scripts,
e.g.,
mkdir -p ${HOME}/bin
cp transcode.sh ${HOME}/bin
2. Add this directory to your PATH (can do temporarily within shell or
more permanent within shell's RC files, e.g., BASH syntax is
export PATH=${HOME}/bin:\$PATH
3. Make this script executable, e.g.,
chmod 750 ${HOME}/bin/transcode.sh
4. Type the script name followed by --help to read this page. If
it displays, everything is likely configured correctly.

== EXIT CODES ==
* 0 -> Success
* 1 -> Insufficient number of command line arguments
* 42 -> Reading this manual

== AUTHOR ==
* AMAFilmScoreFan on Film Score Monthly messageboard
!
exit 42
}
export -f manPage

workflow1 ()
{

if test ! -f "${FROMFILE}" ; then
echo "ERROR Job ${JOBN}: source file $FROMFILE does not exist!"
return 2
fi

if test -f "${FROMFILE}.${EXTN}" ; then
echo "INFO Job ${JOBN}: Found ${FROMFILE}.${EXTN}, am changing to ${BASE}.${EXTN}."
mv "${FROMFILE}.${EXTN}" "${BASE}.${EXTN}"
elif test -f "${BASE}.${EXTN}" ; then
echo "INFO Job ${JOBN}: Found ${BASE}.${EXTN}, am skipping transcoding."
else
echo "INFO Job ${JOBN}: Transcoding ${FROMFILE} to ${BASE}.${EXTN}."
fi

return 0
}
export -f workflow1

convert2mp3 ()
{

#CHECK NO. PASSED ARGS
if test -z "$1" -o -z "$2" -o -z "$3" ; then
echo "ERROR: Insufficient command line arguments passed!"
return 1
fi

export FROMFILE="$1"
export BASE="$2"
export JOBN="$3"
export EXTN="mp3"

workflow1

ffmpeg -i "${FROMFILE}" -map_metadata 0 -codec:a libmp3lame -q:a 0 -vn "${BASE}.${EXTN}" >/dev/null 2>&1

return 0
}
export -f convert2mp3

convert2alac ()
{

#CHECK NO. PASSED ARGS
if test -z "$1" -o -z "$2" -o -z "$3" ; then
echo "ERROR: Insufficient command line arguments passed!"
return 1
fi

export FROMFILE="$1"
export BASE="$2"
export JOBN="$3"
export EXTN="alac.m4a"

workflow1

ffmpeg -i "${FROMFILE}" -map_metadata 0 -acodec alac -vn "${BASE}.${EXTN}" >/dev/null 2>&1

return 0
}
export -f convert2alac

convert2flac ()
{

#CHECK NO. PASSED ARGS
if test -z "$1" -o -z "$2" -o -z "$3" ; then
echo "ERROR: Insufficient command line arguments passed!"
return 1
fi

export FROMFILE="$1"
export BASE="$2"
export JOBN="$3"
export EXTN="flac"

workflow1

ffmpeg -i "${FROMFILE}" -map_metadata 0 -acodec flac -vn "${BASE}.${EXTN}" >/dev/null 2>&1

return 0
}
export -f convert2flac
### END SUBROUTINE DEFINITIONS
##########################################
### BEGIN MAIN PROGRAM

#INITIALIZE VARIABLES
export PROGNAME=$0

#DISPLAY MANPAGE IF NO ARGS GIVEN
if test $# -eq 0 ; then
manPage
fi

#DISPLAY ERROR IF INSUFFICIENT ARGS GIVEN
if test $# -lt 2 ; then
echo "ERROR: Insufficient number of command line arguments!"
exit 1
fi

ALLARGS=( $* )
SRCFRM=${ALLARGS[0]}
TOFRM=( ${ALLARGS[@]:1} )

for item in "${TOFRM[@]}" ; do
item=$( echo $item | tr "[:upper:]" "[:lower:]" )
case ${item} in
list)
find . -iname "*.${SRCFRM}" -type f -print
;;
mp3)
find . -iname "*.${SRCFRM}" -type f -print0 | parallel -0 --jobs $NumJobs convert2mp3 '{}' '{.}' '{#}'
;;
alac)
find . -iname "*.${SRCFRM}" -type f -print0 | parallel -0 --jobs $NumJobs convert2alac '{}' '{.}' '{#}'
;;
flac)
find . -iname "*.${SRCFRM}" -type f -print0 | parallel -0 --jobs $NumJobs convert2flac '{}' '{.}' '{#}'
;;
-h|--help)
manPage
;;
*)
echo "WARNING: Unknown format specified (${item}); it will be ignored."
esac
done

echo "INFO: ${PROGNAME} finished after $SECONDS seconds."
exit 0
### END MAIN PROGRAM
##########################################

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2014 - 6:41 AM   
 By:   jkannry   (Member)

I started seriously toying with this in next year or two. What I'm debating is whether to take all booklets and inserts and put them in some sort of loose leaf. I know years ago had ways to store CDs in loose leaf and their booklets and inserts. Once I do the apple lossless and keep booklets inserts don't need CDs.

Three things holding me back. Don't know where to get such looseleafs. Two iTunes Match won't support more than 25000 songs. Three don't know if can afford hard drive storage.

Id do it to all my books if there were ibook versions

Side note is for those saying Intrada,LaLaLand etc should go cloud not sure have all rights need to do. Might need to get rights to upload to use masters have. Does 3000 limit still apply and how would enforce. Stream and never own?.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 28, 2014 - 2:27 PM   
 By:   jkannry   (Member)

Heres another reason i may start sooner than later. Two old cds out of print. One from varese and other sony?. Total cost of a questionable amazon new is 60. Total cost on itunes same labels 18.00. Nuff said.

 
 Posted:   Apr 28, 2014 - 3:56 PM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

I started seriously toying with this in next year or two. What I'm debating is whether to take all booklets and inserts and put them in some sort of loose leaf. I know years ago had ways to store CDs in loose leaf and their booklets and inserts. Once I do the apple lossless and keep booklets inserts don't need CDs.

Three things holding me back. Don't know where to get such looseleafs. Two iTunes Match won't support more than 25000 songs. Three don't know if can afford hard drive storage.

Id do it to all my books if there were ibook versions

Side note is for those saying Intrada,LaLaLand etc should go cloud not sure have all rights need to do. Might need to get rights to upload to use masters have. Does 3000 limit still apply and how would enforce. Stream and never own?.


I did some research on this recently and it seems pretty costly depending on the method. I opted for a case that holds 180 discs with booklets (excluding some really fat booklets) in front. Sometimes I had to cut off the front of a booklet and toss the rest but I had no problem with that because I had most of the important ones I care about scanned.
http://www.slappa.com/360-cd-case-black-wave

Once full this case is quite heavy and rugged. I filled two cases with 99% of my CDs. The benefit is that this case displays 6 discs on a page at a time and with album art on the front it is easy to find what you want at a glance.

Other slim options available include a couple of different varieties of CD sleeves depending on what you want.
http://www.jewelsleeve.com/cgi-bin/mivavm?/mm5/merchant.mvc+Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=jewelsleeve&Category_Code=C001
http://mmdesign.com/products/cd-pro-poly-sleeve.php
Sadly, it seems that the CD sleeve options are pretty expensive for a large collection. At $14 for 25 sleeves, a large collection of 500 cds would be around $300 to store. That doesn't even include the space for possible boxes you might need to properly organize them.

This is what got me to toss a number of CDs I don't really like but had for collection purposes. I had already ripped them to the computer and didn't really care to have the CD anymore so I offered them up for sale, for free, or tossed them in the recycling.

I'm interested to see what other ideas people had. You could always go super cheap and get a ton of those paper sleeves you see software come in and put the booklets with them but I think that would make it harder to explore your collection.

 
 Posted:   Apr 28, 2014 - 9:17 PM   
 By:   jamesdrax   (Member)

Loading the contents of 1,500 CDs into the computer is something that I have neither the time or the patience to do. Too inconvenient. I have plenty of storage space, so I'll keep collecting CDs until the day they die. After that I'll probably have everything I want anyway.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 28, 2014 - 9:52 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

About three years back I replaced all of my normal 1 and 2CD jewel cases with sleeves.
https://www.bagsunlimited.com/p-3317-cd-gatefold-sleeve-nbsp-40mil-polyethylene.aspx

I ordered 2500 of them for under $300 and I still have like 400 left.

I also, put the CDs in this (I THINK it's this anyway):
http://www.sleevecityusa.com/diskeeper-anti-static-cd-dvd-sleeve-p/3cdrice.htm

Not sure how much it cost me but I still have hundreds of those too.

The among of space saved is IMMENSE. I think you can fit five single discs in sleeves into the space of one jewel case. For 'thick doubles' (like HTWWW or King of Kings on Rhino, for instance) you save even more, though granted those are rare.

The only real caveat is you have to fold the insert which in some cases will crease it (most Intrada releases especailly) but it's a small price to pay IMO.
And of course it's hard to see on the shelf. But again, the saved space is HUGE.

 
 Posted:   Apr 28, 2014 - 10:33 PM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

Those would have been a lot cheaper indeed, though I'm glad I got the big binders, makes it easier to carry stuff around. Hopefully if we get a major move to lossless downloads I won't need to fill them up the last 20 slots or so.

 
 Posted:   Apr 28, 2014 - 10:36 PM   
 By:   Josh Mitchell   (Member)

Egads, all this talk about cutting and folding and discarding CD booklets and inserts is making me cringe!

 
 Posted:   Apr 28, 2014 - 10:43 PM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

Egads, all this talk about cutting and folding and discarding CD booklets and inserts is making me cringe!

The worst part was cutting up the digipaks that didn't have booklets inside. The fronts were too big to fit so I had to cut down a few inches on each side to get them in the case. At least the digipaks from Quartet had booklets I could keep.

 
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