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 Posted:   Jul 19, 2018 - 1:24 PM   
 By:   Rollin Hand   (Member)

That was me! I'm the Wild Wild West fan in the group.

I'm glad to know it. I believe you purchased last's year boxset of the series scores by LLL.
 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2018 - 12:26 PM   
 By:   Jens   (Member)

I don't recall ever talking about the box set on FSM before, but you are correct! I did buy it the day LaLaLand put it up to order.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2018 - 3:35 AM   
 By:   Rollin Hand   (Member)

List of TZ’s seven scores by Jerry Goldsmith
season 1
“The Four of Us Are Dying”
“The Big Tall Wish”
“Nightmare as a Child”

season 2
“Nervous Man in a Four Dollar Room”
“Dust”
“Back There”
“The Invaders”
 
 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2018 - 3:40 AM   
 By:   Rollin Hand   (Member)

List of TZ’s seven scores by Jerry Goldsmith
season 1
“The Four of Us Are Dying”
“The Big Tall Wish”
“Nightmare as a Child”

season 2
“Nervous Man in a Four Dollar Room”
“Dust”
“Back There”
“The Invaders”


The Sad Scores
“The Big Tall Wish”
“Nightmare as a Child”
“Dust”

The Colorful Scores
“The Four of Us Are Dying”
“Nervous Man in a Four Dollar Room”

The Tense Scores
“Back There”
“The Invaders”

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2018 - 3:53 AM   
 By:   Rollin Hand   (Member)

List of TZ’s seven scores by Jerry Goldsmith
season 1
“The Four of Us Are Dying”
“The Big Tall Wish”
“Nightmare as a Child”

season 2
“Nervous Man in a Four Dollar Room”
“Dust”
“Back There”
“The Invaders”


The Sad Scores
“The Big Tall Wish”
“Nightmare as a Child”
“Dust”

The Colorful Scores
“The Four of Us Are Dying”
“Nervous Man in a Four Dollar Room”

The Tense Scores
“Back There”
“The Invaders”

Strange how Goldsmith's “The Invaders” loosely reminds Bernard Herrmann's Psycho because of the strings use.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2018 - 11:24 AM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

Your latest podcast about two Twilight Zone episodes was very good. Due to length, I listened to it during two sittings.


Serling-Goldsmith-The Four of Us Are Dying being a precursor to Planet Of The Apes was a new insight for me. I am not a jazz lover, so I preferred the music to A Big Tall Wish. Great analysis. What surprised me about this score was its extensive use of the harmonica for a boxer story. I always thought of the harmonica as being used mainly for westerns; yet, I found the harmonica very effective in Goldsmith's emotional themes.

Thanks TRIO for a job well-done.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2018 - 1:10 PM   
 By:   Rollin Hand   (Member)

What surprised me about this score was it extensive use of the harmonica for a boxer story. I always thought of the harmonica as being used mainly for westerns; yet, I found the harmonica very effective in Goldsmith's emotional themes.


The harmonica returns in the western entry "Dust" during season 2.

 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2018 - 1:15 PM   
 By:   edwzoomom   (Member)

I have not yet taken the time to listen this series. I actually have a big block of time to myself tomorrow and will listen to the first one. I am looking forward to it.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2018 - 1:24 PM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

Sterling

Sterling?

Don't you mean Rod Steiger?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2018 - 2:57 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

Corrected to Serling.

 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2018 - 3:16 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I think you were actually onto something, Joan, because the word "sterling" means "(of a person or their work, efforts, or qualities) excellent or valuable." wink That certainly describes his work! Thanks so much for continuing to post your thoughts on each episode; it means a lot to us (and me in particular, since I've valued your presence/contribution on the board for so many years) that you're listening.

I have not yet taken the time to listen this series. I actually have a big block of time to myself tomorrow and will listen to the first one. I am looking forward to it.

Can't wait to hear what you think, edwzoomom! I will warn you however that we were still finding our footing for the first three episodes or so...I think we really hit our stride with Episode 3 on Face of a Fugitive. Not that the earlier ones are bad, but we figured out what worked best as we got more experience. So if you find yourself underwhelmed by Episode 0, please skip to Episode 3 and give us another shot. smile

Yavar

P.S. Goldsmith seemed to just LOVE the harmonica because he used it in more than one score that wasn't a western. I think it's perfect and surprisingly poignant in The Big Tall Wish.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 22, 2018 - 12:01 AM   
 By:   Rollin Hand   (Member)



In Depth
The Twilight Zone: Unlocking the Door to a Television Classic by Martin GRAMS Jr. (at Amazon)
A Dimension of Sound: Music in the Twilight Zone by Reba WISSNER (at Amazon)


Why haven't you mentioned Marc Scott ZICREE's TZ companion book?
What do you think of Martin GRAMS Jr.'s TZ companion book?

 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2018 - 8:14 AM   
 By:   Jens   (Member)

The Twilight Zone Companion Second Edition is actually the first book about the Twilight Zone I ever bought (I also own the Third Edition now). I did name-drop Zicree on the program BUT I didn’t include him in the citations because, to be honest, I didn’t utilize that book at all preparing for the show. It doesn’t have the music focus of the Wissner nor the raw data of the Grams Jr., so for research purposes it was redundant.

Grams Jr.’s book is much drier and less opinionated than the Zicree, but it also contains more raw information gleaned from the CBS archives. It was absolutely invaluable to us just for containing accurate cue listings for each episode.
 
 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2018 - 8:36 AM   
 By:   Rollin Hand   (Member)

Thank you, I will purchase that companion book.

 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2018 - 9:05 AM   
 By:   Jens   (Member)

Just one caveat before you buy: if you don’t care about the minutia the Grams Jr. book contains - say if you’re not researching for a podcast or trying to figure out what music to pull off the isolated tracks, then it may not be the book for you. It’s not nearly as entertainingly written as the Zicree companion. I know some people don’t like Zicree for editorializing so much, but him actually having a point of view is what makes him fun to read, IMHO. Grams Jr., conversely, is concerned almost exclusively with whatever facts he was able to dig up.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2018 - 9:33 AM   
 By:   Rollin Hand   (Member)

Just one caveat before you buy: if you don’t care about the minutia the Grams Jr. book contains - say if you’re not researching for a podcast or trying to figure out what music to pull off the isolated tracks, then it may not be the book for you. It’s not nearly as entertainingly written as the Zicree companion. I know some people don’t like Zicree for editorializing so much, but him actually having a point of view is what makes him fun to read, IMHO. Grams Jr., conversely, is concerned almost exclusively with whatever facts he was able to dig up.

Do you imply that Gram doesn't write a review for each episode?
He simply publishes technical data (cast and crew, air date, production order, episode opening/end narration, episode summary).

 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2018 - 9:47 AM   
 By:   Jens   (Member)

That is correct. Grams Jr. is extremely concerned with telling you every little production tidbit he could find, and he does have a lot of that. If you want to learn all about the details of Serling's contract with CBS, or what all the tracked music is, Grams Jr.'s got you covered. However, he will not give opinions of any kind.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2018 - 9:56 AM   
 By:   Rollin Hand   (Member)

If you want to learn all about the details of what all the tracked music is

For that alone, I will get it. Thanks again.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2018 - 6:01 PM   
 By:   Morricone   (Member)

I have two asides on this episode. First, in the year THE TWILIGHT ZONE started there was a cult hit theatrical feature called THE LITTLE SHOP OF HORRORS with a quirky main theme by Fred Katz that stuck with me. Later when I discovered a similar theme to “The Four Of Us Are Dying” came out earlier by Goldsmith I wondered if Katz might have heard that and been influenced. Now I am more inclined to think that both were influenced by others who were exploring all kind of jazz nuances at the time. Since I have limited knowledge along those lines I will leave jazz aficionados to determine that.

The other aside was the context of “The Big Tall Wish”. Black faces were not seen ANYWHERE in those days. Not in commercials or drama or sitcoms. The exceptions of AMOS AND ANDY, THE JACK BENNY SHOW and NAT KING COLE were few and far between. The reality for most blacks then was a great big NO. To make a decent living you had to take jobs that didn’t pay great or go into crime. The few who did manage to break through to positions of dignity had to believe in magic to keep going. In this context Serling’s message made powerful sense. BTW “The Big Tall Wish”, despite the praise, was the ONLY black tale in the TWILIGHT ZONE’s history. Blacks were relegated to supporting roles the rest of it’s run. Rumor was that certain network affiliates in the south wouldn’t play it and Serling was told never to do that again.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 1, 2018 - 2:22 AM   
 By:   Rollin Hand   (Member)

 
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