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This is a comments thread about FSM CD: Miklós Rózsa Treasury
 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2023 - 12:17 PM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

Does anyone here own BOTH?

It didn't seem too extravagant when they were originally released about four years apart.


Right. The first of the FSM Box with that great booklet. It's a shame this set won't have the same styled book.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2023 - 1:00 PM   
 By:   TacktheCobbler   (Member)

Definitely one of my favorite film score releases for its treasure trove of Rózsa goodness (with a score mostly done by another composer). So congratulations on acquiring this set, Amer, and may you thoroughly enjoy it.

NP: Young Bess (my personal favorite full score on the set. Rózsa really sunk his teeth into the music of the Tudor era for this one).

 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2023 - 1:21 PM   
 By:   ibelin   (Member)

Does anyone here own BOTH?

It didn't seem too extravagant when they were originally released about four years apart.


Yeah. They each costed about $180.00 when they were released. I suppose that veterans who were keeping tabs on such things could've snatched them up when they were new. I'm looking on eBay and I see a 'Miklós Rózsa Treasury' going for $250.00 USD, which would cost me $337.40 CAD because I'm a Canuck. I've never been very wealthy, and I'm a bit of a cheapskate, so I'm not one to splurge even $180.00 for any set.

 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2023 - 2:09 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

There is some very slight overlap between the contents of the 'Miklós Rózsa Treasury' box and 'Elmer Bernstein's Film Music Collection' box, and lots of the music is available elsewhere (and in better quality, too), but both contain enough rare music that they're worth getting. If you're rich, that is. Does anyone here own BOTH?

I own both. In fact the only FSM box set I missed out on was the MGM Treasury. (I think it sold out much faster than any of the others and I didn't quite have enough time to save up the $$$ to get it.)

I don't see any overlap between the two because the recordings are different. As a fan of classical music I'm totally happy to have both a more complete original recording of Madame Bovary (even if there are some sound effects), as well as an abbreviated re-recording by Bernstein in more modern stereo sound. (I am ticked off that Bernstein omitted my favorite cue from The Ghost and Mrs. Muir, but what are ya gonna do?)

When you say "lots of music is available elsewhere (and in better quality, too)" I assume you are just referring to re-recordings like the Tadlow Quo Vadis? I don't believe that any of these same recordings in the Rozsa box have ever been bettered elsewhere.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2023 - 2:24 PM   
 By:   TacktheCobbler   (Member)

When you say "lots of music is available elsewhere (and in better quality, too)" I assume you are just referring to re-recordings like the Tadlow Quo Vadis? I don't believe that any of these same recordings in the Rozsa box have ever been bettered elsewhere.

Yavar


Agreed, though I must confess I hardly ever listen to the Quo Vadis discs anymore thanks to the Tadlow recording. Also, while the Mathieson recording of Knights of the Round Table is an interesting listening experience (which I really need to get around to giving another listen), I much prefer the U.S. recording under Rózsa and Johnny Green’s baton.

 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2023 - 2:51 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Yeah I mainly stick with the Tadlow Quo Vadis too, but I’m still super grateful to have the original recording sounding as good as it can. I still prefer some things performance wise on the original, like the source cue Siciliana Antiqua.

As for Knights of the Round Table, I too prefer the film recording but I don’t mind the British recording (and it does have the distinction of being all by the same conductor).

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2023 - 3:02 PM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

I happened to play the FSM disc (the Hollywood track) recently and was somewhat disappointed by the first half or so, which consists of blunt motifs for Arthur and Excalibur and the noisy, jostling battle music. I understand why FSM banished the refreshing liturgical and Christmas vocals to a supplement: they wanted to get the narrative onto a single disc. But this is the rare instance where I think FSM erred. The variety, which you get in the Mathieson presentation, adds much to the listening experience.

 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2023 - 3:22 PM   
 By:   ibelin   (Member)

When you say "lots of music is available elsewhere (and in better quality, too)" I assume you are just referring to re-recordings like the Tadlow Quo Vadis? I don't believe that any of these same recordings in the Rozsa box have ever been bettered elsewhere.

Yavar


Yeah. The Tadlow recordings were mainly what I was referring to with regard to the Rózsa box. They're the ones I really, really like to listen to—though in some ways I find the Rhino release of 'King of Kings' to be superior to the Tadlow. The Intrada release of 'Ivanhoe' is fantastic. Also, while not necessarily tied to recording quality, the FSM release of 'Lust For Life' offers much more music than the bonus tracks contained on the Rózsa box and is another favorite of mine. 'Young Bess' and 'Madame Bovary' are really the only two that attract me to the box set.

With regard to the Bernstein box, there is obviously 'The Thief of Bagdad', the Prometheus recording. And, again, while not related to quality, there is also the La-La Land release of 'Gunfight at the O.K. Corral'. The FSM releases of 'The Silver Chalice' and 'The Land of the Pharaohs' also offer more music. I will admit that Elmer Bernstein was a fantastic conductor from what I've heard of his recordings. For the longest time I listened to his 'The Thief of Bagdad' recording and was quite happy with it. Though the only Bernstein box recording I've listened to is 'The Thief of Bagdad', I have no doubt that the others are high-quality, too. The 'Helen Of Troy' recording has me intrigued. eek

 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2023 - 3:25 PM   
 By:   ibelin   (Member)

Yeah I mainly stick with the Tadlow Quo Vadis too, but I’m still super grateful to have the original recording sounding as good as it can. I still prefer some things performance wise on the original, like the source cue Siciliana Antiqua.

Yes!!! I thought I was the only one. 'Siciliana Antiqua' does sound better performace wise on the source, but I can't say why.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2023 - 4:21 PM   
 By:   .   (Member)

My main reason for sometimes listening to the Treasury Quo Vadis discs is for the original Ustinov songs. However, having said that, John Langley's vocal performances of the same on the Prometheus are superbly done, capturing the spirit of Ustinov's versions very well indeed.
The opposite is true of the lamentable singer in Bernstein's performance of Gunfight at the OK Corral. And it's a shame that Bernstein's Helen of Troy sounds more like the work of an octet than an orchestra.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2023 - 4:43 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Yeah. They each costed about $180.00 when they were released. I suppose that veterans who were keeping tabs on such things could've snatched them up when they were new. I'm looking on eBay and I see a 'Miklós Rózsa Treasury' going for $250.00 USD, which would cost me $337.40 CAD because I'm a Canuck. I've never been very wealthy, and I'm a bit of a cheapskate, so I'm not one to splurge even $180.00 for any set.

It's called a treasury because of the price, not the music.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2023 - 5:18 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

There is some very slight overlap between the contents of the 'Miklós Rózsa Treasury' box and 'Elmer Bernstein's Film Music Collection' box, and lots of the music is available elsewhere (and in better quality, too), but both contain enough rare music that they're worth getting. If you're rich, that is. Does anyone here own BOTH?

There's no overlap. Perhaps a bit of the same music, but different recordings.

 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2023 - 6:04 PM   
 By:   ibelin   (Member)

There's no overlap. Perhaps a bit of the same music, but different recordings.

I meant that they contain some of the same music, but yeah. I do own individual CDs of 'Young Bess' and of 'Madame Bovary'. I've heard neither what's contained on the Rózsa box nor what's contained on the Bernstein box. I see that the Bernstein recordings are up on YouTube Music, so I'll have to give them a listen sometime.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2023 - 6:39 PM   
 By:   TacktheCobbler   (Member)

Also, while not necessarily tied to recording quality, the FSM release of 'Lust For Life' offers much more music than the bonus tracks contained on the Rózsa box and is another favorite of mine.

I think the Lust for Life tracks in the set (as well as the Ivanhoe tracks) were intended more to “close the book” on all the recorded material for that score than to create a superior listening experience. It certainly wasn’t the first time Lukas did that (ex. Diane contains tracks from Plymouth Adventure and Moonfleet that wouldn’t fit on their respective CDs). I know when I finally acquired the FSM of Lust for Life a few years ago, I not long after created a playlist replacing the flawed tracks with the corrected ones from the Treasury and inserted some of the others in the Bonus section (as well as inserting “Pain” where it should appear in the main program).

 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2023 - 10:10 PM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

Congrats on securing this gem, Amer! It was and is certainly high on my own want list, but there was no way I could afford it. Not then, not now. Same with the Bernstein box.

Thanks guys. But Let me get my hands on this win once Lukas finalises the whole thing ! It will be quite some time until it reaches me.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2023 - 10:06 PM   
 By:   Nathan Erickson   (Member)

Does anyone have individual album covers for these scores they'd be willing to share?

 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2023 - 10:18 PM   
 By:   ibelin   (Member)

Does anyone have individual album covers for these scores they'd be willing to share?

I remember that raferjanders did some. I have his old flickr page bookmarked, so here you go:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/151558140@N07/42553206524/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/151558140@N07/28401198467/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/151558140@N07/28401195587/

I don't know if he did any more, so maybe you could try asking him over in the 'Custom Cover Art (2023)' thread, since he occasionally posts there. I don't know where he's uploading his stuff now.

 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2023 - 11:07 PM   
 By:   orbital   (Member)

I don't know if he did any more (...)

Indeed he did:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/151558140@N07/albums/72157704761970042

 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2023 - 11:57 PM   
 By:   ibelin   (Member)

Indeed he did:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/151558140@N07/albums/72157704761970042


D'oh! I even checked under 'Albums'. I must be going blind...

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2023 - 6:51 PM   
 By:   Nathan Erickson   (Member)

Indeed he did:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/151558140@N07/albums/72157704761970042


D'oh! I even checked under 'Albums'. I must be going blind...


Thank you both so much for these. They're great!

 
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