Everyone say that Lukas owns his business and he can run it the way he wants and I agree with that. My collection has been made with my money over the years to support his business. Can I not do what I want to with MY collection? I paid for every release just like everyone else.
But why tell us if you're not looking for attention? And why continue to post on this board owned by Lukas? Since you are (allegedly) selling your collection as you can't bear to have Lukas' handiwork in your home, or something, you should also refrain from using his message board too, surely?
Since you are (allegedly) selling your collection as you can't bear to have Lukas' handiwork in your home, or something, you should also refrain from using his message board too, surely?
Absolutely. Lukas pays for this forum if you're so disgusted with him, why post on the board that he owns?
Here's the thing - I have refrained and will continue to refrain from comment, like Doug Fake and others. Whether I feel yay or nay is not that interesting. But what IS interesting is reading this thread. First off, to those who keep coming in and saying "Talk about the music" - that's not what this thread is about - there are several other threads where people are talking about this glorious music. This thread is very specific.
Now, obviously some people feel one way about this, and some feel another way and all that is healthy and fine. What's not fine is the name calling, the dismissive posts, the derision of EITHER side. For example, John Smith feels one way and he has consistently posted here in a calm and lucid way presenting his feelings. Why would anyone feel the need to bash him because he feels as he does? Conversely, others feel the opposite and have stated that calmly and lucidly only to be called names and derided, too. That does no one any good whatsoever. Nor does putting words in people's mouths that they never said (this has happened to me personally on this board repeatedly and when I ask for someone to point out what they're saying I said, they never can, but they also never apologize or even acknowledge that they were wrong - but that's another story for another day), nor does being hysterical. In my opinion, Lukas is neither saint or sinner - he made a decision and he knew that the reaction would have both yays and nays - he was prepared for it and it's my belief that he personally has asked this thread to stay open.
As long as the discussion is civil and points are presented calmly, I should think both yay and nay should be able to post what they feel. Some really feel Lukas did the right thing. Some really feel Lukas broke a trust and lied. One group isn't right and one group isn't wrong - both groups truly feel what they feel and should be respected, not derided or made fun of.
"Yet you choose to inveigh vituperatively against this totally imaginary stance."
"any disclaimer from you would not only be disingenuous but positively mendacious. "
Well, I like this thread because I'm learning lots of big words, and that's always good for my tiny drain...er, brain (blast, the English language is sooo difficult!).
Also, I think if we're going to argue and get nasty with each other, we should do it in as high a tone as possible, and with the maximum number of big words. That makes it seem much more important than it really is.
Everyone say that Lukas owns his business and he can run it the way he wants and I agree with that.
If you truly believed that, you wouldn't have come into this thread to argue about him changing his mind on not re-pressing Ben-Hur in the first place.
What I am saying is I find it hard to support someone who lies. If he wants to do that for his business, he can do that, but I will not support someone who does it! I still have no problem with him re-releasing BEN-HUR, release 10,000+, who cares (other than the speculators), just do not state that you are not going to re-press a title and then turn around and say they are! If you re-release it, the new inserts should say it is a second edition. What made Lukas fess up to the over pressing years ago? I believe it was in a thread where someone could not understand why an expanded LOGAN'S RUN, pressed at 3000 (actually around 7000), had not sold out yet after years. It obviously bugged him enough to come clean, because he could have never told us. But after that, everyone forgave him. I am always willing to give people a second chance, but how many chances are going to be given here? I think I have given enough chances.
Also, I think if we're going to argue and get nasty with each other, we should do it in as high a tone as possible, and with the maximum number of big words. That makes it seem much more important than it really is.
What I am saying is I find it hard to support someone who lies. If he wants to do that for his business, he can do that, but I will not support someone who does it! I still have no problem with him re-releasing BEN-HUR, release 10,000+, who cares (other than the speculators), just do not state that you are not going to re-press a title and then turn around and say they are! If you re-release the new inserts should say it is a second edition. What made Lukas fess up to the over pressing years ago? I believe it was in a thread where someone could not understand why an expanded LOGAN'S RUN, pressed at 3000, had not sold out yet after years. It obviously bugged him enough to come clean, because he could have never told us. But after that, everyone forgave him. I am always willing to give people a second chance, but how many chances are going to be given here? I think I have given enough chances.
Well if that's the way you feel about it then ok, at this point it's clear no one's gonna change your mind. Having said that, I think you should at least hang on to the cd's that weren't over pressed, at the very least.
Anyway, I've added enough bilge to this thread myself. I shall retire.
I think you should at least hang on to the cd's that weren't over pressed, at the very least.
Why? With the way things are getting re-released, some other label might re-release it. If not, oh well, there are plenty of other great scores sitting on my shelves waiting to be replayed!
Simonides: Erik Donovan could not have done this thing... you knew him Tribune. Messala: Better than You! Simonides: Then there can be no doubt in your mind, his offers were groundless. Messala: His FSM CD collection has been purchased. Simonides: But it was only a rant... there was never an intention to really sell them. Esther: In your heart you must know it. Messala: Drusus! This man had better be kept here till we actually receive Donovan's CDs.
"Yet you choose to inveigh vituperatively against this totally imaginary stance."
"any disclaimer from you would not only be disingenuous but positively mendacious. "
Well, I like this thread because I'm learning lots of big words, and that's always good for my tiny drain...er, brain (blast, the English language is sooo difficult!).
Also, I think if we're going to argue and get nasty with each other, we should do it in as high a tone as possible, and with the maximum number of big words. That makes it seem much more important than it really is.
Messala: Judah, this is going to be a very difficult spat to govern. Lukas needs help. Your help, your advice. Judah: He wants my advice? Messala: Yes he does. Judah: Ignore them. Give them a wide berth. Messala: Unfortunately Lukas is devoted to his Chat Page. He's particularly fond of the Chatters. Judah: Hmm.. some chatters aren't so fond of Lukas. Messala: Ahh.. is there anything so sad as unrequited love?
Messala: Judah, this is going to be a very difficult spat to govern. Lukas needs help. Your help, your advice. Judah: He wants my advice? Messala: Yes he does. Judah: Ignore them. Give them a wide berth. Messala: Unfortunately Lukas is devoted to his Chat Page. He's particularly fond of the Chatters. Judah: Hmm.. some chatters aren't so fond of Lukas. Messala: Ahh.. is there anything so sad as unrequited love?
JOHN SMITH: If Lukas insists on repressing Ben-Hur with the same legend as before ("limited to a pressing of 2,000"), then he is setting himself up for justifiable censure.
This is a nonsense. You have no legitimate argument. All the sets are labeled correctly. A CD from the first pressing was one of 2000. And when the next pressing arrives, each set purchased will also be one of a pressing of 2000. If there's a third pressing of 2000, the legend on the back will still be correct. You apparently want the pressings distinguished from each other, at additional printing expense, for some unjustified reason. There is no reason why they should be, nor is there any logical argument you can make for there being such a reason. The description on the case of either pressing is 100% correct.
And to continue... apart from anything else, having gone to such lengths to argue against the wording on the back, you'd do well to quote it accurately and not skew it to meet your needs. Your invented so-called quote of "limited to a pressing of 2,000" suggests a limitation of one pressing. In fact, the legend on the case says no such thing at all. It says "THIS PRESSING IS LIMITED TO 2000 COPIES" which if anything is suggestive of further pressings. Your arguments are hogwash, I'm afraid.
Mr Wrathbone,
Despite what several poster here claim, I don't possess the FSM Ben-Hur set and I don't know what the exact wording is. I admit it's my fault that I didn't check it up. Having said that, it makes no real difference whichever legend you use. If the text is the same, then the second pressing is simply a continuation of the first. They BOTH constitute a first edition. If no amendment - sorry, change - is made, then there most definitely is a problem. I'm surprised that you , a former journalist, cannot see that.
Everyone say that Lukas owns his business and he can run it the way he wants and I agree with that.
If you truly believed that, you wouldn't have come into this thread to argue about him changing his mind on not re-pressing Ben-Hur in the first place.
What I am saying is I find it hard to support someone who lies. If he wants to do that for his business, he can do that, but I will not support someone who does it! I still have no problem with him re-releasing BEN-HUR, release 10,000+, who cares (other than the speculators), just do not state that you are not going to re-press a title and then turn around and say they are! If you re-release it, the new inserts should say it is a second edition. What made Lukas fess up to the over pressing years ago? I believe it was in a thread where someone could not understand why an expanded LOGAN'S RUN, pressed at 3000 (actually around 7000), had not sold out yet after years. It obviously bugged him enough to come clean, because he could have never told us. But after that, everyone forgave him. I am always willing to give people a second chance, but how many chances are going to be given here? I think I have given enough chances.
This'll be the last post I make on here - I'm tired of this board always degenerating into pointless and childlike whining, despite all the hard work the labels have done over the years to bring US the music we crave. No matter how hard they work, people ALWAYS find a flaw to dig into with passion. These days with the internet it seems to be rife - why not put your energies into what you DO have, and the positives? I'm amazed Lukas doesn't just shut this board down and wash his hands with it - I would!
1) Lukas has NOT lied - he has been open with everyone for his reasons for printing more copies. Reasons that are completely understandable. He has been comletely open & honest!
2) WHY would you care anyway if 2000 more are printed (or 5000, or more?!), unless you just want to show off that you managed to buy one before they all sold out?... This is about paying for, and owning music you want to hear! End of! Now another 2000 more music fans will be able to do that - I say great! As many people as possible should be able to hear/buy this wonderful music if they wish.
3) You speak of 'chances' like he's on trial?! We are talking about soundtracks/CDs here. GROW UP! Go look at the top stories in the news and for Pete's sake get this into some kind of damned perspective!
End of. Out of here - was sorta fun while it lasted.....
