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This is a comments thread about FSM CD: Black Sunday
 
 Posted:   Feb 5, 2010 - 3:11 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

As I said in another thread, I'm also very grateful for having this score released in a legitimate format. I have already thrown my age-old bootleg (combining crappy-sounding rips with the nice-sounding Silva suite tracks) in the trash bin. Of course, I would have been even happier if it had been arranged more for listening, but in this case, just having it out there was more important. It fills an essential hole in Williams' discography.

Here's hoping for more such hole-filling in the year(s) to come.

Thanks, Lukas & gang.

 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2010 - 8:35 AM   
 By:   MaurizioCaschetto   (Member)

I'm finally listening to the score this very moment. I was already acquainted with it thanks to the footwarmer and the film, but hearing it in this amazing sound is revealing and mesmerizing. It's really listening to it for the first time.

This is an incredible score. It's a masterpiece of suspense and action/thriller scoring. Period.

 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2010 - 8:53 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

No offence, FSM, but 10,000 copies?!!! What were you thinking?

Just because you say "no offense" doesn't make you bulletproof to people calling you out on being rude.

And really? Criticizing a label for releasing something *you* don't like? The door is thataway, buddy. Don't let it hit you in the ass on the way out.

 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2010 - 1:28 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

A real discovery!
Excellent score by JW.

I am also happy to see LK go back to the format of combining cues and trying to limit the total to 25. Makes a big difference, to me at least (wish KLUTE/PRESIDENT'S was done that way).
Lotsa short cues are a pain (right Thor?)
well done FSM!

 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2010 - 1:30 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

I agree, the climactic action is really a "created in the editing" number with really lousy footage to work from, seriously gutting the suspense. Williams score still remains the best single element of the film.

wish the studio could take BS back to the editing room and redo the fx (ala STAR TREK)
same with ISLANDS - THINK OF HOW MUCH BETTER it would play with the swordfifhing sequence done right!

 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2010 - 1:34 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

One can not help but be impressed by Williams refusual to use many of the musical cliches that marred many films of the period.

 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2010 - 1:35 PM   
 By:   Sarge   (Member)

Here's hoping for more such hole-filling in the year(s) to come.

roll eyes

 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2010 - 2:23 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

The loud scream you have heard just came from Texas.

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Yeah, Steve just read the "FSM Most Ignored List"

heh! heh!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2010 - 4:16 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Here's hoping for more such hole-filling in the year(s) to come.

roll eyes


Huh? Why the rolling eyes? Don't you wish for more unreleased Williams to see the light of day too?

 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2010 - 9:01 AM   
 By:   Gunnar   (Member)

Huh? Why the rolling eyes? Don't you wish for more unreleased Williams to see the light of day too?

Here's a hint:

[innuendo] Here's hoping for more such hole-filling in the year(s) to come. [/innuendo]

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2010 - 12:01 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Huh? Why the rolling eyes? Don't you wish for more unreleased Williams to see the light of day too

Here's a hint:

[innuendo] Here's hoping for more such hole-filling in the year(s) to come. [/innuendo]


Ah! Ha, ha....that didn't even occur to me. You guys have dirty minds! big grin

 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2010 - 12:06 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

Watched the film for the first time in a few years the other night and it still holds up very well. The editing I think is quite good in the climax to sell the illusion needed, with the only flaw being the fake explosion FX for the helicopter and the blimp.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2010 - 6:27 AM   
 By:   fommes   (Member)

Wonderful, wonderful release from FSM. Top-drawer Williams, and a great sound to boot! A must-have release if there ever is one.

I also hope this has been a good sell for FSM, in the hopes that we might see more 10000-copies releases, from other labels too.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2010 - 7:25 AM   
 By:   ghost of 82   (Member)

Was some of the music from the track 'Commando Raid' used on the original trailer for ST:TMP? I recall seeing pre-release footage for ST:TMP on a Saturday morning tv-show here in the UK as a kid, looked like trailer footage but I'm sure the music temp-track (certainly wasn't Goldsmith's score) sounded like 'Commando Raid'. At the time I had recorded the footage on an audio cassette (which I lost many years ago) so I had heard it several times. Never knew what the music was from, but listening to 'Commando Raid' on the FSM disc it sounds very much like what I heard all those years ago. Some of the track 'Speed Boat Chase' sounds eerily familiar too. Black Sunday was a Paramount film so it makes sense.

Anybody else got the foggiest what I'm on about?

 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2010 - 7:54 AM   
 By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)


There was a preview reel of ST:TMP -- I think for exhibitors -- that did use as a temp track Black Sunday and Marathon Man. You might be able to find them at youtube.

Lukas

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2010 - 8:11 AM   
 By:   ghost of 82   (Member)

Aha! That would be it then. I remember replaying it to death before the film came out- the 'action/thriller'-music used made the film seem like an epic action movie. Turned out a bit different... more of a slow-motion action picture.

Thanks Lucas. Was a strange experience just listening to the Black Sunday CD (just arrived here in the UK) and out of the blue hearing music I remembered from that old ST:TMP footage from so many years ago.

 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2010 - 8:17 AM   
 By:   Heath   (Member)

There was a preview reel of ST:TMP -- I think for exhibitors -- that did use as a temp track Black Sunday and Marathon Man. You might be able to find them at youtube.

Lukas


I saw a TV preview clip of STTMP in 1979 that used "The Refugees" cue from Islands In The Stream for a scene between Kirk and McCoy. Very dark, mournful effect. Worked beautifully. Might have been a work print montage rushed out for early publicity purposes, or as Lukas says.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2010 - 10:35 AM   
 By:   Vermithrax Pejorative   (Member)

These are Golden Years to be a John Williams fan.
None But The Brave, Black Sunday...and who knows what else in the pipeline.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2010 - 11:15 AM   
 By:   Vermithrax Pejorative   (Member)

Btw...re the music as used in the ST-TMP trailer.
It is quite readily available to hear on the two-disc DVD, as part of the original trailer spots.

 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2010 - 12:13 PM   
 By:   dogplant   (Member)

Here it is, Star Trek: The Black Sunday Trailer, and I think I can hear a lick of Islands in the Stream in the Decker/Ilia scene...



The opening synth throb and end sting are obviously from something else.

 
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