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 Posted:   May 4, 2013 - 3:16 AM   
 By:   Vermithrax Pejorative   (Member)

Warner Bros is a huge corporation that can afford losses against their huge profits.
Varese is a small soundtrack label catering to the needs of a few.

 
 
 Posted:   May 4, 2013 - 7:23 AM   
 By:   Willgoldnewtonbarrygrusin   (Member)

I rather get an incomplete score than none at all.

And I would welcome an expanded score next year and sell the incomplete then.

It´s not a perfect world. Although I can understand why this makes YOR very sad and mad.

 
 Posted:   May 4, 2013 - 8:18 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Besides, any label was free to try to get this one.

So you confirm that Varese did not had an option for this score ?


I'm sorry, I don't understand your question.

 
 
 Posted:   May 4, 2013 - 10:14 AM   
 By:   John Mullin   (Member)

You know, the flip side to this argument is consumers like me. I would pay a normal CD price for a 45 minute album of this score. I would NOT pay 30 bucks for the complete score. Why? Very few complete scores are worth listening to. That's especially true with Giacchino, whose 79'59" albums bore me to tears.

I think the original STAR TREK 09 album plays fine at 45 minutes. I bought the 2 disc set when it came out, but later sold it when it proved to be a repetitive, dull, cumbersome listening experience that I just didn't want. As others have said, these decisions _do_ come down to economics... I, and I suspect many others, just wouldn't pay enough to get this complete score in order to justify the label's expense.

 
 Posted:   May 4, 2013 - 10:26 AM   
 By:   foxmorty   (Member)

bottom line is this. if we have seen time and again it's that star trek music is one of those rare properties that can almost always sustain and expansive release. no reason to think this one is going to be any different. varese is not the most fan friendly label and they can weigh their customer relations with making money. personally i think this sounds like a pretty weak release and it's why varese is at the bottom of the heap for me when it comes to specialty labels. so this is a fan site and that's the fan sentiment and i agree with it whole-heartedly. others may beg to differ but honestly don't you guys ever get tired of posting your same old economics 101 insights that you always do? i get it. you have a basic understanding of the free market. it's not rocket science. still doesn't change the fact that varese is handling this one poorly.

 
 
 Posted:   May 4, 2013 - 10:44 AM   
 By:   John Mullin   (Member)

I don't understand how you can feel so cheated about the numerical length of an album before you even know what the score is like or if anything significant from the movie has been left off.

 
 Posted:   May 4, 2013 - 11:40 AM   
 By:   Maleficio   (Member)

I don't understand how you can feel so cheated about the numerical length of an album before you even know what the score is like or if anything significant from the movie has been left off.

Agreed. All these judgments and conclusions and no one has heard the album.

 
 Posted:   May 4, 2013 - 11:43 AM   
 By:   David-R.   (Member)

I don't understand how you can feel so cheated about the numerical length of an album before you even know what the score is like or if anything significant from the movie has been left off.

Well, Yor isn't known for his logic and easy-going attitude...

 
 Posted:   May 4, 2013 - 11:51 AM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

I chose to ignore Yor a long time ago. Varying opinions are fine, but the same inane ones yammered over and over again just aren't worth the time; I get it already.
The boutique labels are rarely in a position to release all of a new, large scale orchestral score; it's just too expensive. And there's been so much griping about complete releases lately you'd think some people would appreciate the novelty of an "album" presentation in this day and age.

 
 Posted:   May 4, 2013 - 12:23 PM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

People came here to say that they are ignoring YOR.

How come does one ignore a Hunther from the Future if they just posted a message with his name on it?

Nonsense!

Guy who writes interesting stuff inside movie score booklets is just mad at YOR because he revealed he wrote PALOMINO wrong in The Black Hole liner notes.

 
 Posted:   May 4, 2013 - 4:51 PM   
 By:   ST-321   (Member)

The boutique labels are rarely in a position to release all of a new, large scale orchestral score; it's just too expensive. And there's been so much griping about complete releases lately you'd think some people would appreciate the novelty of an "album" presentation in this day and age.

Well, people certainly do like to complain but I very much appreciate everyone who works so hard to bring all those notes to us - composers, musicians, engineers, & everyone who works at the recording labels.

 
 Posted:   May 4, 2013 - 4:57 PM   
 By:   TM2-Megatron   (Member)

I suppose it's good they've released something, but all the same, I'm not going to be buying this album. A year or two down the road, if no expanded version has been issued, then I might consider picking this up in a bargain bin somewhere.

The extensive collection of Trek music, both film and television, released by the other labels (all of whom, especially LLL, have proven themselves to care far more for Star Trek and able to recognize its special place in the hearts of its fans than Varese ever has) will allow me to keep getting my Trek fix for a long, long time to come. And they aren't even finished yet, as the upcoming Best of Both Worlds expansion and hints of an Enterprise collection from LLL indicate.

 
 Posted:   May 4, 2013 - 5:10 PM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

YOR agrees with guy with ludicrous big horns in helmet!

 
 Posted:   May 4, 2013 - 6:06 PM   
 By:   BornOfAJackal   (Member)

Call me crazy, but I think that when YOR: THE HUNTER FROM THE FUTURE weighs in with his observations, redolent with breath scented with wild herbs and fresh kills from his many foraging expeditions, it often adds a little pizazz to these boards, which can become a little staid and stuffy without his "barbaric" provocations. Thanks, YOR!

 
 Posted:   May 4, 2013 - 6:13 PM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

Enterprise Going Into Sun is nice people!

 
 Posted:   May 4, 2013 - 6:17 PM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

And, yes, YOR very pizazz!

 
 
 Posted:   May 4, 2013 - 9:10 PM   
 By:   facehugger   (Member)

Hey people, get your pitchforks and torches ready! Let's go on a witch hunt of Yor!

But seriously, Varese wants to dig a grave for itself. Perfectly fine.

At this digital age, when recording sessions get leaked all the time and Film Studios can and will put the music directly online for download, record labels are all destined to go the way of dinosaurs.



 
 Posted:   May 4, 2013 - 9:30 PM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

That's a lovely sentiment--give me exactly what I demand or I'll steal it.

 
 Posted:   May 4, 2013 - 9:31 PM   
 By:   Khan   (Member)

That's a lovely sentiment--give me exactly what I demand or I'll steal it.

There's a thread going on on another forum I visit where people are using that justification to torrent television shows.

 
 
 Posted:   May 4, 2013 - 9:51 PM   
 By:   musicpaladin2007   (Member)

Hey people, get your pitchforks and torches ready! Let's go on a witch hunt of Yor!

But seriously, Varese wants to dig a grave for itself. Perfectly fine.

At this digital age, when recording sessions get leaked all the time and Film Studios can and will put the music directly online for download, record labels are all destined to go the way of dinosaurs.


Yes, because it's the film studio that submits it to the online download mediums roll eyes

You people are dense and missing the whole point of what's being said and what I've learned here. There's a sweet spot at which they have to compromise to make a profit. The endgame of an album is to make money, no matter how much the people involved enjoy the product.

If they can't make a profit, they don't put out the album. It's simply that simple. And sometimes they have to shortchange us on the first release to make the second release possible (though at a limited release as not to put the record label under).

 
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