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 Posted:   Jan 17, 2014 - 8:56 AM   
 By:   jedizim   (Member)


And, it doesn't matter if they are small issues or large ones... that reply from the label is kinda off-putting to say the least.


Yes...the reply is a little harsh...but we have no idea what the original email TO Perseverance sounded like. He only posted the reply and not what he sent originally, so for all we know he could have called Robin's mother names and related the label to cow manure. We are only seeing one side and it was presented in a fashion to purposely make sure Robin looked bad.

 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2014 - 9:26 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

The fact that there are confirmed errors in it is very disappointing to say the least. I mean isn't this a straight reissue with an extra track from another release? How can you still manage to screw that up?

The sound quality is wonderful and is a worthy addition to any one's collection.

Judging from the comments above the sound quality would hardly be wonderful if it has errors in three tracks? I do take it these are not present on the previous releases?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2014 - 9:41 AM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)


And, it doesn't matter if they are small issues or large ones... that reply from the label is kinda off-putting to say the least.


Yes...the reply is a little harsh...but we have no idea what the original email TO Perseverance sounded like. He only posted the reply and not what he sent originally, so for all we know he could have called Robin's mother names and related the label to cow manure. We are only seeing one side and it was presented in a fashion to purposely make sure Robin looked bad.



That's true... the original email could have said Robin's mother was a hamster and his father smelt of elderberries

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2014 - 9:47 AM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)

The fact that there are confirmed errors in it is very disappointing to say the least. I mean isn't this a straight reissue with an extra track from another release? How can you still manage to screw that up?

The sound quality is wonderful and is a worthy addition to any one's collection.

Judging from the comments above the sound quality would hardly be wonderful if it has errors in three tracks? I do take it these are not present on the previous releases?



I listened to the 1995 Virgin remaster and it sounded fine, none of these issues, to MY ears. didn't have time to check the original Virgin or Wounded Bird CD's, or ask myself why I've bought this damn CD 4 times big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2014 - 10:11 AM   
 By:   Mr. Popular   (Member)


And, it doesn't matter if they are small issues or large ones... that reply from the label is kinda off-putting to say the least.


Yes...the reply is a little harsh...but we have no idea what the original email TO Perseverance sounded like. He only posted the reply and not what he sent originally, so for all we know he could have called Robin's mother names and related the label to cow manure. We are only seeing one side and it was presented in a fashion to purposely make sure Robin looked bad.



That's true... the original email could have said Robin's mother was a hamster and his father smelt of elderberries


He could be frustrated about this as we are and hence the reply. I would take it with a grain of salt.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2014 - 10:12 AM   
 By:   Mr. Popular   (Member)

The fact that there are confirmed errors in it is very disappointing to say the least. I mean isn't this a straight reissue with an extra track from another release? How can you still manage to screw that up?

The sound quality is wonderful and is a worthy addition to any one's collection.

Judging from the comments above the sound quality would hardly be wonderful if it has errors in three tracks? I do take it these are not present on the previous releases?



I listened to the 1995 Virgin remaster and it sounded fine, none of these issues, to MY ears. didn't have time to check the original Virgin or Wounded Bird CD's, or ask myself why I've bought this damn CD 4 times big grin


I don't notice it on my sound system but I am not saying anybody is wrong since I haven't listened with headphones.

I emailed Robin to see what happened so I will post if I get a response.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2014 - 10:35 AM   
 By:   goozer   (Member)


And, it doesn't matter if they are small issues or large ones... that reply from the label is kinda off-putting to say the least.


Yes...the reply is a little harsh...but we have no idea what the original email TO Perseverance sounded like. He only posted the reply and not what he sent originally, so for all we know he could have called Robin's mother names and related the label to cow manure. We are only seeing one side and it was presented in a fashion to purposely make sure Robin looked bad.


Having been in a management position in various times in my professional life, I am unlike the common trolls who pollute forums and inboxes with entitlement rage invective when dealing with customer service issues. For your consideration, here is the entirety of my original email to Perseverance:

To Whom it may concern,

I am writing in regard to the Thief Deluxe Original Motion Picture Soundtrack that you recently released. I am very disappointed to discover that the CD was released with several mastering flaws present, including a mastering error at 7:10 into the track "Diamond Diary" lasting for nearly 2 seconds in the R channel — it sounds like a tape dropout one would hear when playing a damaged tape (not total silence, but rather a choppy sound!), a similar problem at 2:48 in "Trap Feeling," and slight fluctuations for the first :25 of "Igneous."

This is inexcusable! None of these issues are present on any of the other releases of Thief, including the Virgin Definitive Edition CD. I am therefore requesting information on how I may return this defective product to you for a full refund, including shipping. You prompt attention to this matter is appreciated.

Sincerely,
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2014 - 11:04 AM   
 By:   JohnnyG   (Member)

Damn, I was planning to order this one (although this kind of music is not my thing) but now that I've read about those sonic deficiences I know that my ear will not only spot but magnify them...

 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2014 - 2:45 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Dang, that's a shame. Will we ever get a version of Thief that isn't messed up?

 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2014 - 2:48 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

I haven't received my copy yet (despite being one of the very first to order it) so I have to ask you, goozer - is the "Confrontation" cue fine or does it also have problems?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2014 - 7:42 PM   
 By:   goozer   (Member)

I haven't received my copy yet (despite being one of the very first to order it) so I have to ask you, goozer - is the "Confrontation" cue fine or does it also have problems?

You may be one of the lucky ones who got the signed edition, then. Those won't be shipping out until they return from being signed.

As for "Confrontation" — I didn't listen to it originally, as I was mainly interested in the TD score, and the Wounded Bird edition satisfied my need for this track. More good news — it sounds like it was 'remastered' from a vinyl copy. You can hear what sounds like faint pops and clicks, but maybe those are just some of those 'tape artifacts' that one condescending reviewer tried to explain away on Amazon.

 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2014 - 2:25 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

Euhm... next time take a book with you on the train. What are you guys on about?

This thread is about 'Thief', and you can shoot the messenger down all you like, I fail to see what purpose that has when the errors are confirmed? I'd be curious to hear Robin Esterhammer's response to this? (And no Ford, I wont mail him, I'm sure by now he's well aware of this thread)

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2014 - 5:22 AM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)

Euhm... next time take a book with you on the train. What are you guys on about?

This thread is about 'Thief', and you can shoot the messenger down all you like, I fail to see what purpose that has when the errors are confirmed? I'd be curious to hear Robin Esterhammer's response to this? (And no Ford, I wont mail him, I'm sure by now he's well aware of this thread)




Yeah, I don't care about bitchfighting in the thread...take it outside please. That doesn't have anything whatsoever to do with the quality of the CD.

 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2014 - 8:57 AM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

Looks like it may be a minor problem, but Perseverance really didn't need another questionable release like this, taking their history into account.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2014 - 9:01 AM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)

Looks like it may be a minor problem, but Perseverance really didn't need another questionable release like this, taking their history into account.


That sums it up for me. The errors are there and are not on at least one previous release. They're not glaring huge errors ( to me at least ) but it can't be chalked up to imagination. And yeah given the label's past issues...well...

Most annoying to me is that basically half the liner notes are given over to a retelling of the movie's plot. big grin

 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2014 - 9:57 AM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

Most annoying to me is that basically half the liner notes are given over to a retelling of the movie's plot. big grin

Yes, things like that are becoming more and more common, and I don't like it. I'm not buying a CD to read about the FILM, I'm buying it to read about (and listen to) the MUSIC.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2014 - 10:49 AM   
 By:   TheXFactor   (Member)

Euhm... next time take a book with you on the train. What are you guys on about?

This thread is about 'Thief', and you can shoot the messenger down all you like, I fail to see what purpose that has when the errors are confirmed? I'd be curious to hear Robin Esterhammer's response to this? (And no Ford, I wont mail him, I'm sure by now he's well aware of this thread)


Yeah, I don't care about bitchfighting in the thread...take it outside please. That doesn't have anything whatsoever to do with the quality of the CD.




Although I'll admit that it's was a bit on the lengthy side, we aren't exactly talking about pages and pages of back and forth posts either. It was one post, and there's a great little function on your mouse (or laptop) where you can actually scroll down past something you don't want to read. Unless there's someone there forcing your to read it? The Ford person you mentioned, perhaps?

I also wouldn't say that the "errors are confirmed" so much as that there are **some** CDs with issues. Mine played perfectly fine when I listened to it last night and I didn't notice any of the issues that "goozer" was going on about. I also did- in fact- talk about the quality of the CD in the section where I addressed the ridiculous idea that it was sourced from an LP.

 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2014 - 3:47 PM   
 By:   Dan J. Schulte   (Member)

More good news — it sounds like it was 'remastered' from a vinyl copy.

Uh, per Perseverance in their initial announcement: "Terrific masters provided by Warner Music."

So..Warner provided vinyl masters for film music? Who knew?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2014 - 8:40 PM   
 By:   Mr. Popular   (Member)

More good news — it sounds like it was 'remastered' from a vinyl copy.

Uh, per Perseverance in their initial announcement: "Terrific masters provided by Warner Music."

So..Warner provided vinyl masters for film music? Who knew?


Warner provides files to those who agree to reissue their titles. Ask any of the label people this and they will back this up.

I can say I did hear back from Robin and his only response to me was that of frustration. If this was an issue like Rain Man I'd understand the disgust. I can't hate on somebody who is bound by the rules set forth by a record label. And for those saying he can walk away? When you sign a deal to reissue a release from Warner Music, you agree to make xxx amount of CDs. If you don't follow through they can send over an invoice for the full amount due. From what I've seen Robin has done a good job with the majority of his Warner reissues. It's a shame this one had some issues (even though I am not hearing them on mine, but I am not saying others aren't).

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2014 - 8:37 AM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)



I also wouldn't say that the "errors are confirmed" so much as that there are **some** CDs with issues. Mine played perfectly fine when I listened to it last night and I didn't notice any of the issues that "goozer" was going on about. I also did- in fact- talk about the quality of the CD in the section where I addressed the ridiculous idea that it was sourced from an LP.



Umm, I WOULD say "errors are confirmed" as I hear most of the same errors originally mentioned. It is highly doubtful only SOME of the discs have this issue. Possible, yeah. But not probable.

And the errors are NOT on the Virgin 1995 remaster. The Amazon reviewer who tries to explain these away is full of beans wink

I agree with the OP that the disc has flaws... but as mentioned I didn't hear them until I listened through headphones. This is mostly be necessity as I don't have a home stereo system any longer, I listen to music either in the car or at home with headphones.

Would I have noticed them if the OP didn't make his original post? Maybe, maybe not. The problem IS there but these are huge errors that jump out at you ( at least for me ).

I rarely have posted about faulty discs. Once or twice maybe. And I'm not going to rant on and on about these. Maybe Warner DID indeed provide the label with a faulty master. Again, yeah, it is possible.

I don't care of Goozer renamed TD tracks to suit his own needs. I don't care if he thinks Oswald didn't act alone, of if he thinks David Lynch's Dune is a brilliant movie. Well ... anyone who thinks THAT has some issues big grin But no matter what he has or hasn't done elsewhere, he is not incorrect about sound issues on this CD.

I do not hear any LP pop and crackle on the Confrontation track however.

But in the end... I have the Virgin CD which is perfectly fine for me even without Confrontation. I'm only out $13.

I DO love the CD design, looking like an LP. Even though it looks like the Verbatim CDR's with the same design big grin

So... if you want this CD... go ahead and take a chance. Overall the sound is a bit brighter and the errors on the tracks mentioned may not even be noticed by some. I am glad that the CD was brought back even with the bumps in the road.

I've got bigger issues to deal with big grin






 
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