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 Posted:   Dec 3, 2013 - 5:24 AM   
 By:   jwb   (Member)

I'm so glad others have chimed in here!

I forgot about Peak Performance - I definitely agree with that one!

This definitely helps with this project. SOOOOO much TNG music has been released already so we want to make sure this next volume (and possibly last for TNG) covers the rest of the best. Right now we don't know if it will be 2 or 3 discs.

We will not be including any Ron Jones music, though. I think FSM covered that. smile

MV


Hey MV,

I agree, Ron was wonderfully featured on the FSM boxset! I think if you could only do 2 discs that would be good, but of course 3 would be even better and I think you'd be able to nearly feature everyone's favorites listed here. Not every single piece of music need to be featured of course from an episode, just the highlights for certain ones. I wouldn't be surprised if you already had some of these episodes on your list, like Power Play.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2013 - 6:39 AM   
 By:   juhana   (Member)

There is one cue in the episode 'The Last Outpost' I would really like to have released. I'm referring to the militaristic rendition of the Picard Theme that plays when Riker and Geordi are discussing technobabble in engineering and the latter gets excited about the idea they're discussing.

 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2013 - 9:18 AM   
 By:   CrazyQuark   (Member)

Re-post of some suggestions already posted in the thread for vol.1:
Some of it has been already mentioned:

What I would love to see/hear on a second volume:

McCarthy:
more of McCarthy's "early" action music which i think is rather underpresented on this (first) disc (from vol.1).
I wouldn't mind seeing some more quotes of "Picard's Theme" of course, some examples which comes to mind are in "The Last Outpost": There's a scene in the engine room where Riker and Geordi trying to figure out what to do next and at one point Riker gets an idea, and the music starts playing: it's a powerful, march-like version of "Picard's Theme" but unfortunately heavily buried under dialogue. A more obvious quote I remember right now would appear in "Unnatural Selection": there's a scene where Data and Riker checking out Pulaski's looking for her "hair", and during that scene there's some more action-oriented music which also includes the theme very prominently. (sadly it appears to be a very short piece, though).
When it comes to "Picard's Theme" there's another thing I would like to adress: For a while I thought the last time McCarthy used this theme was during season 3 - at least that's the last time I noticed it - however for a while I've read in an interview that he sneaked it into "Rascals", a season 6-episode. I haven't checked so I don't know if the particular track is worth including but if yes I sure would love to see it on Volume 2 (and maybe there are other examples from later seasons?) - I think that would bring some more continuity to the disc and would bridge McCarthy's "early" style with his more contempory style quite nicely.
Last but not least I would love to get the last track from "Time's Arrow Part II". This is one of the tracks which really stood out for me while watching the show, it sounds very melodic (and actually very DS9-ish).

Chattaway:
"Power Play", which features Chattaway's best action music writing for TNG (imho of course - and "Tin Man" aside, of course)
"Frame of Mind" - very unusual episode, and Chattaway handles that exceptional well in some outstanding myystery/suspense-like cues (when Riker tries to escape with the help of Enterprise-crewmembers and of course the music for the finale, where everything "falls apart").
I'm not sure if this would be possible, since GNPD Crescendo already released a track from this episode: "Birthright Part 1" - while I think "Data in Dreamland" is a very outstanding track for sure, I also really loved the music for the Worf/DS9-storyline from this first part in particular. Chattaway also references McCarthy's DS9-theme at one occasion (I think the only time this happened in TNG), and for me having some thematic material in the music can't hurt.

I also remember some talk in the old thread about Chattaway's music for that Las Vegas flight simulator thing. If I remember correctly Mr Thaxton said it would be tricky to include that, but if there's a chance for that I'd still love to see that happening.

Overall, I'm very happy that a second volume for TNG music seems to be a possibility again. smile

 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2013 - 3:01 PM   
 By:   Mathew   (Member)

Ok, here are my picks (in chronological order):

Too Short a Season
The Arsenal of Freedom
Peak Performance
The Ensigns of Command
The Hunted
Redemption
The Game
Power Play
Time's Arrow
Lessons
Second Chances

I'm very happy that LLL is considering a another TNG set to wrap things up. Thank you MV!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2013 - 3:06 PM   
 By:   jb1234   (Member)

There's a really terrific Chattaway cue at the end of "Eye of the Beholder" which a lot of people forget about, mostly because the episode is terrible. It underscores Troi panicking and almost killing herself.

For McCarthy, more of the season 1 and 2 music would be great, like "Arsenal of Freedom" and "Peak Performance." For Chattaway, some of "Power Play" and "The Game."

 
 Posted:   Dec 4, 2013 - 2:13 AM   
 By:   chriss   (Member)

A more obvious quote I remember right now would appear in "Pen Pals": there's a scene where Data and Worf (I think) checking out some quarters looking for someone/something, and during that scene there's some more action-oriented music which also includes the theme very prominently.

Are you sure you remember it from this episode? I think there are no action sequences in that show and I also do not remeber a use of the Picard theme there.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 4, 2013 - 3:56 AM   
 By:   catboy19   (Member)

What ever you decide to put on here just please please please if not complete have selections from the episodes The Next Phase and Timescape !

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 4, 2013 - 6:46 AM   
 By:   juhana   (Member)

A more obvious quote I remember right now would appear in "Pen Pals": there's a scene where Data and Worf (I think) checking out some quarters looking for someone/something, and during that scene there's some more action-oriented music which also includes the theme very prominently.

Are you sure you remember it from this episode? I think there are no action sequences in that show and I also do not remeber a use of the Picard theme there.


I seem to recall that such a moment occurs towards the end of the episode 'Unnatural Selection'. The music during that scene is indeed very good, and ought to be released.

 
 Posted:   Dec 4, 2013 - 6:52 AM   
 By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)

A more obvious quote I remember right now would appear in "Pen Pals": there's a scene where Data and Worf (I think) checking out some quarters looking for someone/something, and during that scene there's some more action-oriented music which also includes the theme very prominently.

Are you sure you remember it from this episode? I think there are no action sequences in that show and I also do not remeber a use of the Picard theme there.


In Unnatural Selection, I think there is a search through the ship for something from Pulaski with her DNA on it, and they end up finding a hair...?

Lukas

 
 Posted:   Dec 4, 2013 - 9:07 AM   
 By:   CrazyQuark   (Member)

Whoa, thanks for the heads up, guys! I checked the episode and yeah, this was it (and it was Data and Riker, not Data and Worf... I have no idea how I got that all confused? Guess I'm getting old or something...) - I'll edit my previous post to prevent further confusion.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2013 - 5:47 PM   
 By:   Dave Frolik   (Member)

Thanks so much in advance for considering another TNG release. I also agree with some of the others that especially McCarthy's earlier (season 1-3 action music) should get some special attention. Here's my favorites list :-):

Hide & Q (the emotional cue where they find the injured girl on the planet)
The Arsenal of Freedom (all action cues, but especially the ship separation)
Conspiracy (course correction to Dytallix B and Horatio scene)
Contagion (is not remembered by many but it has a very good score)
Samaritan Snare (weak episode, but some very strong action music)
Peak Performance (action scenes are some of McCarthy's best ever)
The Ensigns of Command (first Sheliak vessel encounter)
The Survivors (ship attack cues are very strong)
The Enemy (opening cue on planet hell)
The Hunted (plenty of good action cues)
Transfigurations (Doe's escape)
Conundrum (teaser cue)

Tin Man (missing cues)
A Matter of Time
Hero Worship (opening scene on the damages ship)
Power Play
Frame of Mind
Gambit

 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2013 - 8:02 PM   
 By:   Glenn Butler   (Member)

I can't think of specific requests, but I'd be interested in some more McCarthy highlights in the later years of the series. The DS9 set revealed a lot of Generations-like music coming from McCarthy over the course of several years of that show (even aside from the action music quotations in The Die is Cast and the GNP release of Way of the Warrior), so I'd be interested in seeing if he was also writing more in the style of Generations toward the end of Next Generation.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2013 - 8:06 PM   
 By:   jb1234   (Member)

I can't think of specific requests, but I'd be interested in some more McCarthy highlights in the later years of the series. The DS9 set revealed a lot of Generations-like music coming from McCarthy over the course of several years of that show (even aside from the action music quotations in The Die is Cast and the GNP release of Way of the Warrior), so I'd be interested in seeing if he was also writing more in the style of Generations toward the end of Next Generation.

He wasn't. His action style evolved somewhat after Generations, definitely but Generations wasn't made until after TNG was finished.

Actually, the composers kinda swapped. McCarthy did a LOT of the first two years of DS9 while Chattaway handled a good chunk of TNG's final two seasons.

Edit: Scratch that. McCarthy was pretty constant in TNG's last couple seasons too. The man was just a workhorse. He did 15 of DS9's first season (Chattaway did the other 5) and 17 of its second (Chattaway did the other 9).

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2013 - 11:31 PM   
 By:   Dave Frolik   (Member)

I can't think of specific requests, but I'd be interested in some more McCarthy highlights in the later years of the series. The DS9 set revealed a lot of Generations-like music coming from McCarthy over the course of several years of that show (even aside from the action music quotations in The Die is Cast and the GNP release of Way of the Warrior), so I'd be interested in seeing if he was also writing more in the style of Generations toward the end of Next Generation.

The later TNG seasons were not very similar to Generations. Generations was very big, but the music in seasons 6 and 7 was rather subtle, partly also because the story lines didn't often call for "big" music. In my opinion seasons 1 thru 3 or 4 had much more variety than seasons 5-7.

A few samples to compare:

Seasons 1-3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1WtRpPG8C0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZotMRpnk0VY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIOEklxc_yY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh0Z6ooZ-v0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_11U6QPP5c

Seasons 6/7:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIfoG8Bk9Hk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yh6kxJ1JcYQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nl0ofoaBQc

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2013 - 9:31 AM   
 By:   ScottDS   (Member)

The gang at Ex Astris Scientia have put together a great guide to Trek's use of classical music.

Enjoy!

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/database/classical_music.htm

 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2013 - 1:24 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

If I can be greedy and ask for some more music from already-represented episodes, I'd go for two from Jay Chattaway:
1. Tin Man of course -- it was represented by a few cues on GNP's TNG Vol. 4, but that was more like a Chattaway compilation (because he hadn't gotten an album before) so it tried to hit more different episodes by representing less of each one. I wonder if that means GNP doesn't hold the rights as they do for many of their other Trek releases (but not the Best of Trek compilations, which is why FSM was able to put out Heart of Glory by Ron Jones complete in their box set).

2. A score on LLL's TNG Vol. 1 that blew me away: The Host. It was by far my favorite music on the set, with the possible exception of Fred Steiner's score. I wish it had been included complete instead of Dennis McCarthy's Haven, which was nice enough but not particularly memorable (even if it was too much so for Rick Berman)...

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2013 - 1:35 PM   
 By:   Trent B.   (Member)

GNP holds the rights for Tin Man. They wouldn't play ball with FSM when they requested all of The Best Of Both Worlds, only a small handful of previous cues. Chances are they may not play ball with LLL.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2013 - 4:51 PM   
 By:   TempeltonPeck   (Member)

Sins of the Father
The Wounded
Redemption
Gambit

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 8, 2013 - 2:24 PM   
 By:   musicpaladin2007   (Member)

They included tracks from All Good Things on Vol 1 at Dennis McCarthy's request, so I'm not sure how they swung that.

In any case, hopefully they won't repeat anything next time around.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 8, 2013 - 3:20 PM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

GNP holds the rights for Tin Man. They wouldn't play ball with FSM when they requested all of The Best Of Both Worlds, only a small handful of previous cues. Chances are they may not play ball with LLL.

As for TIN MAN, the suite represented on the GNP CD is what Jay wanted and does include the meat of the score and even has a cue that didn't even end up in the show.

So as far as I'm concerned, that case is closed on that one.

Ford A. Thaxton

 
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