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 Posted:   Jan 27, 2014 - 2:51 PM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)

.....Funny. I somehow hadn't seen The Robe until this past Christmas and rather enjoyed it a lot. I'm not a huge fan of Max Steiner but did like the score enough to be considering picking-up the LLL release.....


Even if you don't like Max Steiner's work, you'll like THE ROBE's score. It's by Alfred Newman!!!

smile





Nothing gets by the sharp eye of Manderley! smile

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 27, 2014 - 3:00 PM   
 By:   John B. Archibald   (Member)

Ordered this immediately.

This was the first movie I recorded on reel-to-reel, just for the music. (The first of many, I may add. I still have a lot of those tapes, though the machine I could play them on has been up on the same shelf for years...)

Gorgeous score.

Now, if only someone could restore HELEN OF TROY....

Ah, pipe dreams...

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 27, 2014 - 3:18 PM   
 By:   philiperic   (Member)

I love this score and will definitely buy this upgrade -

I just got the BR which has an isolated music track - it is too bad the film did not get the full Fox restoration that THE ROBE received . I definitely feel that DEMETRIUS .. is a more entertaining film and its score is every bit as classic as THE ROBE's. And what a great cast - including three future Oscar winners . And my favorite 50s ingenue/starlet - Debra Paget .

I first saw this on reissue in the early 60s - at the height of the sword/sandal/gladiator movie fever - I especially enjoyed Susan Hayworth :-) as Messalina - and Jay Robinson - even more over the top as Caligula this time and loving it .

 
 Posted:   Jan 27, 2014 - 3:53 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

This sounds like a very worthy upgrade. Since I have the FSM though, I'll have to wait to pick it up until I can afford double dipping. I can't even swing The Buccaneer at this point and that seems like an even bigger step up from the previous version (which I never played because of the sound quality and sold to Joel's Classical Shop a year and a half ago before I left Houston). That said, when I'm no longer a student (two+ years from now...sheesh) and can afford to catch up on releases, this will be mine! It's a fantastic sequel score; every bit as good as Alfred Newman's original, which was a masterpiece. Hearing Waxman use Newman's themes is especially exciting. How often do we have examples of a famous Golden Age composer scoring the sequel to another famous Golden Age composer's work and prominently incorporating their thematic material? I have a hard time coming up with another example...

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 27, 2014 - 5:15 PM   
 By:   paul rossen   (Member)

I love this score and will definitely buy this upgrade -

I just got the BR which has an isolated music track - it is too bad the film did not get the full Fox restoration that THE ROBE received . I definitely feel that DEMETRIUS .. is a more entertaining film and its score is every bit as classic as THE ROBE's. And what a great cast - including three future Oscar winners . And my favorite 50s ingenue/starlet - Debra Paget .

I first saw this on reissue in the early 60s - at the height of the sword/sandal/gladiator movie fever - I especially enjoyed Susan Hayworth :-) as Messalina - and Jay Robinson - even more over the top as Caligula this time and loving it .


Of course you meant 'Susan Hayward' who was probably the biggest female star of the fifties.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 27, 2014 - 6:17 PM   
 By:   philiperic   (Member)

I love this score and will definitely buy this upgrade -

I just got the BR which has an isolated music track - it is too bad the film did not get the full Fox restoration that THE ROBE received . I definitely feel that DEMETRIUS .. is a more entertaining film and its score is every bit as classic as THE ROBE's. And what a great cast - including three future Oscar winners . And my favorite 50s ingenue/starlet - Debra Paget .

I first saw this on reissue in the early 60s - at the height of the sword/sandal/gladiator movie fever - I especially enjoyed Susan Hayworth :-) as Messalina - and Jay Robinson - even more over the top as Caligula this time and loving it .


Of course you meant 'Susan Hayward' who was probably the biggest female star of the fifties.

Paul
you didnt see my smiley face -- it was a joke in reference to Manderley's earlier post.

Susan Hayward is a real favorite of mine - who left us way too soon - but her legacy lives on -- she deserves to be better remembered but is largely forgotten by todays cinephiles.

 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2014 - 3:45 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Susan Hayward is, to me, 'Bloody Babs.' Once you see her in that role, you never forget.

The cover art for this release seems to be maintaining uniformity with La La Land's The Robe. Great idea for the purpose of twinning them together - no point in having one without the other. The FSM cover, I think, intentionally strives to provide a classical stone surround effect which works very well. It also zooms in closer to the main characters to highlight them in centre stage. This new release uses a frame whose proportions were meant to mirror the cinemascope experience.

If you haven't got any sword & sandals as fixtures, now would seem to be the right time to nail these two because they're basically from the same coin.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2014 - 6:53 AM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)

What a marvelous score and greatto have it reissued.

Mike Mattesino - the worst track for wow on the old fsm cd was Victory - how does it sound now? any less wow?

Waxmans score is, I think, more complex than often thought.

He used parts of the robe in Ingenious ways.
the Demtrius theme played during the opening credits, is actually the"I Am With You motif fromo the Robe, just extended,

Lucias theme is an inverted version of the love theme from The Robe.

BTW, I first saw The robe and Demetrius on double feature reissue in 1959
both were in stereo Technicolor prints.
When Caligula is killed at the end of Demetrius, the audience actually stood up and cheered and applauded.

Met Jay Robinson (Caligula) several times over the years through a friend of mine. What great stories he had to tell about the making of those films.

Several accounts mention that Demetrius did not start filming until weeks after the Robe was finished. Jay Robinson told a different story. He says he was filming scenes for both films at the same time,.
He said it was insane, because Fox had the flat camera crew for the Robe, the Scope crew, the Demetrius crew, and the Three Coins in the fountain crew, all at the same time!!!!

Anyway, Bruce, keep the golden age stuff coming.

BTW, I think both the new cover and the FSM cover, basically use the british poster art, which is the same as the American, but repainted for greater detail, and with a blue background instead of the white used in the U.S.

 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2014 - 7:55 AM   
 By:   oyarsa   (Member)

Well, I don't know the film or the score so this is new for me. Will be listening to the samples later to decide.

In the meantime, I will revisit The Robe and The Greatest Story Ever Told. I liked those and it's been a while since the last listen.

 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2014 - 8:00 AM   
 By:   oyarsa   (Member)

dp

 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2014 - 9:31 AM   
 By:   mxmx   (Member)

Yeah, Joe, "Victory" was a bonus track on the FSM release because of the wow and has been improved sufficiently enough to now have it to the main program.

Mike

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2014 - 10:51 AM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

Yeah, Joe, "Victory" was a bonus track on the FSM release because of the wow and has been improved sufficiently enough to now have it to the main program.

Mike


Having just listened to both versions back to back so I can respond, it's improved a lot more than sufficiently - all the tracks have - this is major work by Mr. Matessino. The :45 Victory track sounds amazing, actually.

 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2014 - 11:45 AM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

Yeah, Joe, "Victory" was a bonus track on the FSM release because of the wow and has been improved sufficiently enough to now have it to the main program.

Mike



Out of interest... do you use that "Capstan" software I've read a lot about, that's supposed to do wonders for wow problems on old recordings?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2014 - 3:20 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

Yeah, Joe, "Victory" was a bonus track on the FSM release because of the wow and has been improved sufficiently enough to now have it to the main program.

Mike



Out of interest... do you use that "Capstan" software I've read a lot about, that's supposed to do wonders for wow problems on old recordings?


It's definitely one of those new-fangled programs and it does do wonders as long as the person doing it knows the ins and outs of it. Mike and Chris Malone both have become quite expert at it.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2014 - 5:20 PM   
 By:   jonathan_little   (Member)


It's definitely one of those new-fangled programs and it does do wonders as long as the person doing it knows the ins and outs of it. Mike and Chris Malone both have become quite expert at it.


I'm glad to hear this nifty software has become part of the toolset. I can definitely hear the difference it has made with the wow from the samples.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2014 - 5:31 PM   
 By:   paul rossen   (Member)

Yeah, Joe, "Victory" was a bonus track on the FSM release because of the wow and has been improved sufficiently enough to now have it to the main program.

Mike


Hi..

Is it possible that a new improved version of Herrmann's Beneath the 12-Mile Reef is in the 'works'?

Paul

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2014 - 6:01 PM   
 By:   manderley   (Member)

Ordered DEMETRIUS today (via Screen Archives), along with TO CATCH A THIEF and the Twilight Time Blu-ray of THE EDDY DUCHIN STORY, a really fine, elegant musical biography of pianist Eddy Duchin, as directed by George Sidney.

I'm looking forward to all of these---all of them favorites in one way or another---and particularly to hear DEMETRIUS. The sound samples of this are quite impressive, and it will likely replace the FSM in my listening files.


.....Hi..

Is it possible that a new improved version of Herrmann's Beneath the 12-Mile Reef is in the 'works'?

Paul.....



Paul's post is certainly something we all would look forward to and buy, but I would also ask.....

Bruce....
Is it possible that you could work on a new Friedhofer SOLDIER OF FORTUNE, so much of which was missing in the old FSM release? I was never quite clear whether the missing sections were truly missing or simply impossible to re-master with the technology of that time.
If much was lost due to wow and flutter, perhaps CAPSTAN could save this score, too.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2014 - 6:26 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

Ordered DEMETRIUS today (via Screen Archives), along with TO CATCH A THIEF and the Twilight Time Blu-ray of THE EDDY DUCHIN STORY, a really fine, elegant musical biography of pianist Eddy Duchin, as directed by George Sidney.

I'm looking forward to all of these---all of them favorites in one way or another---and particularly to hear DEMETRIUS. The sound samples of this are quite impressive, and it will likely replace the FSM in my listening files.


.....Hi..

Is it possible that a new improved version of Herrmann's Beneath the 12-Mile Reef is in the 'works'?

Paul.....



Paul's post is certainly something we all would look forward to and buy, but I would also ask.....

Bruce....
Is it possible that you could work on a new Friedhofer SOLDIER OF FORTUNE, so much of which was missing in the old FSM release? I was never quite clear whether the missing sections were truly missing or simply impossible to re-master with the technology of that time.
If much was lost due to wow and flutter, perhaps CAPSTAN could save this score, too.


We're looking at lots o' stuff.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2014 - 7:43 PM   
 By:   manderley   (Member)

......We're looking at lots o' stuff......

That's really good to hear......


and I like that term!......"Lots o' stuff"......sounds kinda' Irish.

It brings the conversation down-to-earth from being
so high-falutin' and esoteric!smile

I think we should start using it more! smile


....."We're releasing lots o' soundtrack stuff next week."


....."Kritzerland tries to feature lots o' Golden Age stuff whenever we can."


....."Mike Matessino and Chris Malone are great at mastering lots o' this stuff."


....."I'm looking for more stuff to release. If you keep buying lots o' this stuff, I'll keep producing it."


....."Lots o' this stuff makes me dance a jig."


"LOTS O' STUFF"
.....look for it as the new phrase of the year!

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2014 - 8:01 PM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)

Wow, no posts and few views. If this score's complete overhaul isn't something of interest to those on this board, we may as well give up the Golden Age ghost. Doesn't matter it was released over a decade ago - it would be like keeping a DVD of a film that's had a brand new restoration - why? Well, orders are coming in nicely so maybe it's just this board or the people who only like the 80s stuff. It's weird to me because The Buccaneer got lots o' comments and this really is no different.



I have a theory about golden age fans: They faithfully buy all the golden age cds ........ then they don't say anything! smile

The forthcoming Demetrius cd looks wonderful Bruce. What a great cover! Much improved sound quality too!

I too hope you can revisit Beneath the 12 Mile Reef and Soldier of Fortune, among others.

 
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