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 Posted:   Feb 24, 2014 - 7:51 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

Most fans of classical music have multiple versions of the same symphony and never complain that it is duplicated. There are differences in the music that come from different interpretations.

Actually a lot of classical fans groan at yet another Mahler symphony or Tchaikovsky piano concerto...

That said, there's a good deal more to it than "another recording of Jungle Book and Thief of Baghdad". First off, the Jungle Book suite is tracked, rather than just one half hour single block of things. Secondly, the sound quality is far better, and the performance is probably better too.
It boggles me too, but then again we have people on this board who'd rather listen to scratchy mono from 1951 than a high quality recording that's just as well performed -- or better -- simply because "it's not the original".

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2014 - 8:11 PM   
 By:   jonathan_little   (Member)

Alright guys, if you don't want to drop all the dough for the full album, at the very least check out "The Ways of Man" from The Jungle Book and treat yourself to the glorious Chandos sound with a luscious performance by the BBC Philharmonic. When Gerhardt added his "Daphnis et Chloe"-like chorus to this cue it mostly obscured the beautiful harp, orchestral bells, and the massive organ-like low brass that we've got on display here. I think I'm going to go to bed with my ears ringing, I've been listening to it so loud.

 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2014 - 8:37 PM   
 By:   Ag^Janus   (Member)

Disappointment, opportunity missed for something audacious.

 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2014 - 8:58 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Disappointment, opportunity missed for something audacious.

But that opportunity didn't exist. Some here seem to feel like there was a block of money set aside to record anything by Rózsa, and somebody said "I have an idea! The same stuff that's already available!"

Chandos has a certain amount of money from which they would like to make more money. Their audience for these is classical crossover. These people don't have the exhaustive FSM "Ben-Hur," or the 31-year-old Varèse recording of much of this material. Chandos is gambling -- but they've done it for years, and they know their audience -- that a few name-brand scores coupled with a composer with classical cred may sell some CDs (and downloads). They're not going to get those sales with a complete rerecording of "Secret Beyond the Door…" They're just not.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2014 - 10:22 PM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)

Disappointment, opportunity missed for something audacious.

Something audacious? This is a grand opportunity, if successful, to start a series, like the 3 VW discs, into which can be slipped slightly more obscure and, to the diehard Rozsa fan, more interesting material, but there was never any question of starting off audacious. It may seem vaguely crass to us, but Chandos hope to make money off this venture.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2014 - 1:58 AM   
 By:   RM Eastman   (Member)

I am very excited and thrilled about this new Rozsa film music CD on Chandos. I have almost everything recorded by Rozsa, but it still excites me when a new fresh recording appears, regardless of the actual content. I will take it all- SOLD.

What is wrong with all these ungrateful people, headed by Mr. Caps.

 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2014 - 2:26 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

Saw the listing today of the new Chandos Rozsa album
First - it pretty much duplicates the Colissseum cd of many years ago with a dupe of the Thief of Baghdad music followed by a dupe of the same Jungle book music.
then we get completely unneeded Ben Hur music. only interesting thing is the suite from Sahara.


If the music is any good to begin with, then it's certainly worth being performed and recorded. Just because music has been released in some form does not render any subsequent recordings useless.

No "serious" listener of Beethoven would say that owning a single recording of each of the nine symphonies is sufficient. Now it can be argued that a Rozsa film score is not a Beethoven symphony, quite true, but if the music has any worth, it sure is worth being performed and recorded, and not relegated the mere archival status of being released once in the original soundtrack recording. I am looking forward to this Chandos release.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2014 - 6:10 AM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

A handful of consumers will buy this, and then in a short time, it will end up selling on Amazon for 3 or 4 bucks, just like so many others.

Yes, but the Chandos "handful" will number in the tens of thousands, whereas the folks around here who desire more exotic fare can barely support a release in four digits.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2014 - 6:13 AM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

These people don't have the . . . 31-year-old Varèse recording of much of this material.

You must mean the Somerset "Wide Screen Spectaculars" that Varese picked up for CD. It's actually more than fifty years old and somewhat eccentric in its rearrangements. The first record I ever owned!

 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2014 - 6:42 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

These people don't have the . . . 31-year-old Varèse recording of much of this material.

You must mean the Somerset "Wide Screen Spectaculars" that Varese picked up for CD. It's actually more than fifty years old and somewhat eccentric in its rearrangements. The first record I ever owned!


I actually think he was referring to the Varese Sarabande release of Jungle Book and Thief of Bagdad, which is 31 years old.

 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2014 - 6:46 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

A handful of consumers will buy this, and then in a short time, it will end up selling on Amazon for 3 or 4 bucks, just like so many others.

Yes, but the Chandos "handful" will number in the tens of thousands, whereas the folks around here who desire more exotic fare can barely support a release in four digits.


Chandos is unlikely to sell "tens of thousand" of such a recording, but a few thousand would already be nice.

 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2014 - 7:03 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

I actually think he was referring to the Varese Sarabande release of Jungle Book and Thief of Bagdad, which is 31 years old.

You know me so well, Nicolai! Yes, that's the one.

 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2014 - 7:13 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)



But that opportunity didn't exist. Some here seem to feel like there was a block of money set aside to record anything by Rózsa, and somebody said "I have an idea! The same stuff that's already available!"


Obviously insider knowledge. ;-)

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2014 - 7:52 AM   
 By:   Jon Lewis   (Member)

This release ought to be of interest to longtime Rosza admirers because the performances are absolutely terrific (by far the best of the various rerecordings of these pieces), the Thief suite contains a number not included in previous suite outings, the Ben Hur selection is not the standard short suite but a larger set of pieces, the sound is ridiculously gorgeous, and Sahara is the icing on the cake.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2014 - 8:16 AM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

Just the samples alone made me realize the above paragraph. It's VERY clear that it's a great CD, no matter how much one may or may not have of the music previously.

 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2014 - 8:48 AM   
 By:   JJH   (Member)

I've generally been a fan of anything Chandos puts out for years now, classical or film score.


Their RVW recordings are great.

Chandos were also my introduction to the music of Alan Rawsthorne (GREAT album, that).



I haven't heard anything about, or from, this Rozsa release...but I tend to think that the more hard core film score fans are simply wanting an exact re-recording/ performance that matches the OSTs -- just in better sound. That's how it strikes me, anyway. I could be wrong.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2014 - 10:43 AM   
 By:   Loverozsa   (Member)

Anytime we get a new recording of anything by Rozsa, it's a good thing. I would, however, like
to see scores recorded that we do not have. The "Sahara" suite on the new Chandos CD is quite impressive!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2014 - 11:03 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)


Yes, but the Chandos "handful" will number in the tens of thousands...


Curious, on what do you base this estimate?

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2014 - 3:21 PM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

Fair enough. I should not claim to know sales figures. Perhaps somebody in the industry has a better idea. But it's beyond dispute that Chandos, like Telarc, has vastly greater distribution and publicity channels than specialist labels like Prometheus or Tribute or Intrada (to name the few labels likely to attempt a more innovative program).

 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2014 - 3:29 PM   
 By:   ToneRow   (Member)

I've generally been a fan of anything Chandos puts out for years now, classical or film score.


If Chandos produces a disc of music by Milton Babbitt, will you like it? big grin

 
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