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 Posted:   Mar 13, 2014 - 8:53 AM   
 By:   musicpaladin2007   (Member)

Aye, I've noticed at least two crappy Nickleback-style songs chucked in to every episode these past few weeks, which have annoyed me more than the 'going through the motions' feeling of the series. I hope this show bucks up soon.

Again those needle drops are usually the result of network pressure to the producers, and have nothing to do with the composer's decisions, nor even really the decisions of the creatives on the show.

I read somewhere that there was a push for Star Trek:Voyager/Enterprise to have a popular band perform on the show every week, and that pressure came straight from UPN's suits. What a stupid idea for a show set in the future.

 
 Posted:   Mar 13, 2014 - 9:11 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Aye, I've noticed at least two crappy Nickleback-style songs chucked in to every episode these past few weeks, which have annoyed me more than the 'going through the motions' feeling of the series. I hope this show bucks up soon.

Again those needle drops are usually the result of network pressure to the producers, and have nothing to do with the composer's decisions, nor even really the decisions of the creatives on the show.

I read somewhere that there was a push for Star Trek:Voyager/Enterprise to have a popular band perform on the show every week, and that pressure came straight from UPN's suits. What a stupid idea for a show set in the future.


It worked in TOS!

 
 Posted:   Mar 13, 2014 - 10:42 AM   
 By:   johnmullin   (Member)

Again those needle drops are usually the result of network pressure to the producers, and have nothing to do with the composer's decisions, nor even really the decisions of the creatives on the show.

In the case of 'The Walking Dead,' those needle drops are indeed there because the creatives on the show do indeed want them there. There's lot of discussion and deliberation over them, and they are not slapped in at the last moment. Sorry to pop your uninformed speculation.

 
 Posted:   Mar 13, 2014 - 11:01 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)


The Walking Dead after Frank Darabont left is kinda like Heroes after Bryan Fuller left the writing staff. Such a shame as I thought the brief season 1 was brilliant.


I didn't. I thought the first season was very uneven with characters that didn't work and situations that were plain dumb, I can remember the sequence where they covered themselves in zombie intestines and blood to go unnoticed through a mob of them, of course then it started to rain. Funny how after that they never revisited this technique. I also hate it when a zombie mob suddenly appears out of nowhere without anyone noticing it. The first season was a good start, but for me the show got into a groove with the second season when the girl went missing; the farm setting was great and I didn't miss Darabont to be honest. The last season with the governor and Andrea did get stretched out far too long, I am so relieved they are out of that boring prison setting. The last couple of 'on the road 'shows aren't brilliant writing, but they are a fun deviation and allow for some character development that I was missing in the battle episodes. I personally thought that battle was very unbelievable and too forced and the governor too over the top a character.

I'm very curious to see where the show will go next, it's been an enjoyable ride so far and I'd never think that a tv show about zombies would become this popular or entertaining to watch. But at the end of the day, it's a zombie survival show and there's only so much you can do with it; there are no big mysteries like in Lost, just groups of people that grow on you trying to survive zombies. The only mystery is who will die next or who will they encounter next?

I like Bear McCreary's music and would buy a release of it because there are some outstanding cues, but there is also a lot of filler and episodes that feature very little score. I'm also not a big fan of the songs, though last week's I thought worked well. Just don't make it a weekly habit.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 13, 2014 - 8:06 PM   
 By:   musicpaladin2007   (Member)

Again those needle drops are usually the result of network pressure to the producers, and have nothing to do with the composer's decisions, nor even really the decisions of the creatives on the show.

In the case of 'The Walking Dead,' those needle drops are indeed there because the creatives on the show do indeed want them there. There's lot of discussion and deliberation over them, and they are not slapped in at the last moment. Sorry to pop your uninformed speculation.


Sorry to burst YOUR bubble but Bear McCreary has made it clear from his blog entries, comments, tweets, etc that their usage is way outside of his input or decision.

 
 Posted:   Mar 13, 2014 - 9:40 PM   
 By:   johnmullin   (Member)

Sorry to burst YOUR bubble but Bear McCreary has made it clear from his blog entries, comments, tweets, etc that their usage is way outside of his input or decision.

Um... okay... But I'm talking more about your claim that AMC pressures the producers to use needle drops (which they never have) and that the "creatives" (which I interpret as "the producers and show runners") have no say in the matter. Utterly untrue, and I can tell you that from direct experience.

Composers for film and TV often show up to spot a cut once the picture has been locked or is close to being locked. At that point, the editors and producers have been working on the cut for several weeks, and if the idea is for there to be an outside song (or some other such piece of music like source, etc) in there, then it's already in there and has been mulled over and discussed. Often, it's even written into the script before the episode is shot. After the spot, there are usually a few weeks to go until the mix is finalized, so it could all change too if the song proves too expensive to license and/or the producers ultimately decide that score works better there.

You're right that someone like Bear might not always be in on those decisions, but that's how it is for nearly every composer working in film and television. The implication, however, that outside music is haphazardly imposed by the network against the wishes of the people who make the show is flat wrong.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 14, 2014 - 3:06 AM   
 By:   Kev McGann   (Member)

Like Francis, I feared the worst when it was announced that Darabont had been 'let go' from the series during (or after) series one, but it just seemed to go from strength to strength with series 2 and 3.
This is the first real lull I've felt since I started getting into it and hopefully (like Joan says) it will pick up when all the cast reunite and they reach Terminus.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 20, 2014 - 6:52 AM   
 By:   Kev McGann   (Member)

Series 4 Spoilers !!!

Well, what about this weeks episode eh?
My missus (who watches it with me, but isn't as big a fan of zombies-type stuff anyway) had just said 'I don't know how much longer I can go on watching this, it's boring me' when IT HAPPENED!!
It went all Of Mice And Men... in a really bad way...with kids!!! frown
Just shocking TV...devastating, but brilliant.
Hopefully, it's back to normal now and this series will kick on.
Some more sad/tender cues from Bear Mc too, this is the stuff I tend to really notice by him.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 21, 2014 - 9:59 AM   
 By:   Kev McGann   (Member)

Nobody watched the latest episode?

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 21, 2014 - 10:20 AM   
 By:   cirithungol   (Member)

I'm one bad episode away from giving up on this show. Every episode is just a mess of plot contrivances and bland dialogue with barely any engaging characters to speak of. The Daryl/Beth episode was the show's nadir, although the Tyreese/Carol one came close.

"Hey, Tyreese, we almost got the kids eaten by zombies on two separate occasions because we left them alone. Let's leave them alone again because hurr durr what could possibly happen..."

Not to mention the terrible acting of the kids and the total lack of development of their characters. Nothing quite beats the retardness of episode 11, though. Rick walks into a bathroom to find a guy sitting on a toilet that has no running water, with his jeans still on and the toilet cover down. I lol'd.

Having read the spoilers for episode 15, I'm not holding out much hope for a surprising finale. It's all just so pedestrian and predictable.

Every now and then Bear McCreary appears with a morsel of music, which is usually perfectly fine but nothing memorable.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 21, 2014 - 12:12 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

Yes, Sunday's episode did provide a shocker and did go all "Of Mice and Men." I was shocked. At the same time, it is still following the format that I haven't liked. Most of this season still seems like filler until maybe during the finale where they "may" all reunite in the promised town. One shock really isn't enough to justify this current season, so I'm hoping more depth will be forthcoming in future episodes.

 
 Posted:   Mar 21, 2014 - 1:15 PM   
 By:   drop_forge   (Member)

I'm one bad episode away from giving up on this show. Every episode is just a mess of plot contrivances and bland dialogue with barely any engaging characters to speak of. The Daryl/Beth episode was the show's nadir, although the Tyreese/Carol one came close.

There's always Mad Men. Guys standing around (or sitting), smoking and swapping the women in the office. Riveting.

Not to mention the terrible acting of the kids and the total lack of development of their characters. Nothing quite beats the retardness of episode 11, though. Rick walks into a bathroom to find a guy sitting on a toilet that has no running water, with his jeans still on and the toilet cover down. I lol'd.

He wasn't taking a dump. Wasn't he taking off his boots? Maybe he needed to get away from the others for a few seconds.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 21, 2014 - 2:00 PM   
 By:   cirithungol   (Member)

There's always Mad Men. Guys standing around (or sitting), smoking and swapping the women in the office. Riveting.

Mad Men is infinitely better written than The Walking Dead (although they are difficult shows to compare).

The death of Lane Pryce in season 5 packed a bigger punch than any of the deaths in The Walking Dead.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 21, 2014 - 2:27 PM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)

The second half of the season has been the worst yet, unbelievably bad at times. You have to ask, is NO ONE watching these things before broadcast and thinking..."umm folks, this is really sucking..." or at may just be too late at that point.

The Carl episode was horrid, bad in so many ways but mainly crippled by the awful,awful acting from the young fella playing Carl. This last week was almost as bad, with those terrible young actresses ( no one was helped by the script however ). The Steinbeck ending was surprising, but the only real saving grace was Melissa McBride, who was just wonderful. She nailed it, was flat out wonderful. She needs a better show, really.

I've stayed with the show but damn if Kirkman and crew isn't making it harder every week to keep tuning in.

And yeah, the songs they drop in are agonizing. McCreary does what he can when he has the chance, and every episode he seems to give us at least one very nice moment. Shame he is getting screwed with no score CD.

 
 Posted:   Mar 21, 2014 - 4:34 PM   
 By:   drop_forge   (Member)

Mad Men is infinitely better written than The Walking Dead (although they are difficult shows to compare).

If you'd written "Breaking Bad was..." I'd be inclined to agree with you. Mad Men is laughably overrated, though.

 
 Posted:   Mar 22, 2014 - 2:39 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

I thought last week's episode was one of the best of a rather mediocre season. I did not see the end coming and I loved how they set it up with the eerie first shot of that episode. Carol seems to get the best writing IMO. I think when you do episodes that focus on a couple of characters instead of the ensemble, it's always risky. They have done this before to varying levels of success, but for me personally I enjoyed the last episodes because they are out on the road again facing the unknown. Away from that shitty one-set prison and I enjoy it when the minor characters get more attention. This season has been a test suspension of disbelief wise, I hope at least terminus will offer a more credible setup for the next season.

 
 Posted:   Mar 22, 2014 - 3:16 AM   
 By:   ArjanOudekerk   (Member)

Still REALLY enjoying this show, but then again I think Dexter, Breaking Bad, Mad Men, House of Cards and The Killing are boring so what do I know.

 
 Posted:   Mar 23, 2014 - 10:22 AM   
 By:   yonythemoony   (Member)



Not to mention the terrible acting of the kids and the total lack of development of their characters.


They're children, you can't expect them to be big actors, few of them can. This thread seems more like The Walking Dead (Bashing Thread)

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 23, 2014 - 12:28 PM   
 By:   BillCarson   (Member)

guys, pardon me for bein a bit divvy, but i waz watching this series up until they left the prison.

i kept seeing adverts for new series starting but somehow i mustve missed the first few episodes as next i knew it said episode 7, now it says episode 14. this is on Fox.

is this the new series or re-run of old series? i presume its a new one and ive missed it?

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 23, 2014 - 12:37 PM   
 By:   Kev McGann   (Member)

Aye Bill, it's the new 4th series. It airs on the Fox Channel in the UK on a Monday night (the day after the US first showing).
The first half started last year and it came back for Series 4 part 2 about 5-6 weeks ago.
On the bright side, you've missed the worst/dullest 4 or 5 episodes EVER!!
The gang are all scattered apart and are all heading for a place called Terminus, in separate groups, which is headlined on many signposts along some train tracks in their respective areas.

About last weeks ep, I didn't really have a problem or notice the kids' (bad?) acting and while I agree about the contrivances (yeah, left alone once, slap, left alone twice, slap slap...a third time???) I think the shocker moment allowed me to overlook the plot laziness and I liked the show addressing the mental health of the characters (especially young kids) during the zombie epidemic and new way of life.

 
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