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 Posted:   Apr 17, 2014 - 11:57 PM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

Talking of Donald Sutherland, isn't an improved CD of Donaggio's excellent "Don't Look Now" long overdue?

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2014 - 12:17 AM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

Talking of Donald Sutherland, isn't an improved CD of Donaggio's excellent "Don't Look Now" long overdue?

Love the score - not sure what the rights situation is - it was on TER?

 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2014 - 1:37 AM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

Talking of Donald Sutherland, isn't an improved CD of Donaggio's excellent "Don't Look Now" long overdue?

Love the score - not sure what the rights situation is - it was on TER?



The one I have is CDJAY 1342. Looks like an offshoot of TER because the graphic flash in the top corner is much the same, but with a bird silhouette added.
The blurb says:
1989 Jay Productions Ltd
Issued under license from Hal Sharper Ltd (HSL) London
(In association with Ed. Curchi, Milan, Italy)
Made in France.
All selections published by The Sparta Florida Music Group Ltd., London

It's only 31 minutes long.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2014 - 4:50 AM   
 By:   joec   (Member)

I'm unfamiliar with the films and the director, which fits in to what you wrote Bruce, that he never got the brass ring he deserved. I'll seek out Overlord on Netflix, and am looking forward to the CD.

DO rent this from Netflix Michael. It's available now, bluray later. I actually found it initially listed at Amazon, and those reviews were superb. Which is how I rented it at Netflix first - then I purchased it. It's beautifully composed black & white cinematography meshes very well with actual war footage kept by the British Government. Hope you enjoy it! How and why this film disappeared is a mystery. You should love the score in the film; I think.


I have this ordered. However overlord is not available for streaming from Netflix only through mail rental

 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2014 - 6:31 AM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

Bruce, I've been thinking seriously about buying this entirely unknown-to-me set of scores. And yes, the set of scores is a factor in my thinking, beyond just the first.

That's not something I'm going to do the first day something obscure comes available. And I'm guessing that I'm not alone in this. I need to time to decide.

But what you wrote was so insulting to me personally, that it actually does make it hard to want to purchase it.

Maybe you didn't intend to be insulting. Maybe you just wanted to demonstrate for us the way things have to work in this business.

But I can't understand how you think berating those of us who do read your threads, and buy many of your releases, and are seriously considering buying more, is in any way helpful to your own needs.

We are your allies, and simply because we don't necessarily respond to something does not make us less so.

 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2014 - 7:16 AM   
 By:   Mike Skerritt   (Member)

I have learned a valuable lesson today. The sales to our usual soundtrack folk here are the worst we've EVER had for any title. These are seriously good scores so it's a little shocking to me. The good news is I don't care because this title is selling to WWII buffs and a whole other audience - so sales are actually just fine. The lesson learned is we could have sold the exact same amount had we just kept it at Overlord, a thirty-six minute score. We would not have sold one less copy, hence the extra time, dough, and effort to make this an incredible deal and keep the price to our regular one CD price was for nothing - it will not happen again, I can assure you.

"...And if we fold, you'll have no damn phones. A T & T - We're tired of your crap."

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2014 - 8:08 AM   
 By:   John B. Archibald   (Member)

It's all egos.

Can't run a business without egos.

However, after hearing the samples, I'm definitely ordering this one. This music sounds so unlike what I'm used to hearing from Paul Glass that I'm definitely interested.

Have a nice day, y'all...

 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2014 - 8:48 AM   
 By:   Heath   (Member)

This is fantastic news. Congratulations to Bruce.

Overlord is a wonderful film with a superb score. For example, the track Preparing The Dead (not demo'd on site, sadly) is as compassionate and sensitive a piece of film music as you're going to hear. Admirers of Richard Rodney Bennett's string writing (and even parts of Jerry Fielding's work in Straw Dogs) might want to check this CD out if they're not familiar with Overlord or Glass. It exists in a similar musical universe. It's also quintessentially English music - remarkable coming from an American composer.

The Hustle score sounds interesting with its blend of styles (never seen the movie), and The Disappearance is VERY welcome (weirdly, I was just thinking about the movie this morning) - again, sensitive scoring from another underrated film composer. But it has a bit of iron too - the Personal Touch cue (again not demo'd on site) has some strong brass writing benefiting the very "final" nature of Sutherland's and Plummer's eerie confrontation.

Anyway... purchasing. Enough said.

 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2014 - 9:24 AM   
 By:   Peter Greenhill   (Member)

I'm not familiar with the films or the music and I'm only familiar with Glass's work for 'Bunny Lake Is Missing'.

However, I've listened to the samples a few times and I really do like this brooding, haunting style of music so I will definitely be ordering.

Thanks for this one, Bruce.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2014 - 9:43 AM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

Bruce, I've been thinking seriously about buying this entirely unknown-to-me set of scores. And yes, the set of scores is a factor in my thinking, beyond just the first.

That's not something I'm going to do the first day something obscure comes available. And I'm guessing that I'm not alone in this. I need to time to decide.

But what you wrote was so insulting to me personally, that it actually does make it hard to want to purchase it.

Maybe you didn't intend to be insulting. Maybe you just wanted to demonstrate for us the way things have to work in this business.

But I can't understand how you think berating those of us who do read your threads, and buy many of your releases, and are seriously considering buying more, is in any way helpful to your own needs.

We are your allies, and simply because we don't necessarily respond to something does not make us less so.


This post is in response to the handful of people who have clearly misunderstood the point of my post (and BTW I'm hardly the first label to come on this board and mention low sales and how that will impact future like releases - I can dredge up those posts if anyone would like me to). Here is what I wrote: "I have learned a valuable lesson today. The sales to our usual soundtrack folk here are the worst we've EVER had for any title. These are seriously good scores so it's a little shocking to me. The good news is I don't care because this title is selling to WWII buffs and a whole other audience - so sales are actually just fine. The lesson learned is we could have sold the exact same amount had we just kept it at Overlord, a thirty-six minute score. We would not have sold one less copy, hence the extra time, dough, and effort to make this an incredible deal and keep the price to our regular one CD price was for nothing - it will not happen again, I can assure you."

I really and truly don't see this berating you're talking about. I see frustration that soundtrack fans aren't even opening this thread (even though I don't say that here), and I see that I could have saved a lot of time, effort and money (this CD took a year to bring forth, the longest time for any of our projects) by only doing Overlord and not worrying about making it a more attractive package, since that has resulted in almost no sales other than those for Overlord itself. So, to me insulting would have been calling people dopes or fools for not buying it - I don't see that I did that anywhere and I'm sorry if anyone thinks I did, but that wasn't the POINT of what I wrote.

 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2014 - 10:19 AM   
 By:   Michael Condon   (Member)

I'm unfamiliar with the films and the director, which fits in to what you wrote Bruce, that he never got the brass ring he deserved. I'll seek out Overlord on Netflix, and am looking forward to the CD.

DO rent this from Netflix Michael. It's available now, bluray later. I actually found it initially listed at Amazon, and those reviews were superb. Which is how I rented it at Netflix first - then I purchased it. It's beautifully composed black & white cinematography meshes very well with actual war footage kept by the British Government. Hope you enjoy it! How and why this film disappeared is a mystery. You should love the score in the film; I think.


Thanks for the recommendation Dave. I think I'll wait for the Blu-Ray, as the subject matter interests me, and am also a fan of great cinematography, so the purchase will be worth it.

Bruce, thanks again for making so much wonderful film music available to us. I've been introduced to so many new films, filmmakers and composers over the years because via the myriad of score releases through your label and all the others.

 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2014 - 10:19 AM   
 By:   edwzoomom   (Member)



I saw this release announcement yesterday and knew immediately that I wanted it. Being the huge WWII film and music buff that I am, I am familiar with Overlord. It is an unusual film with its black and white and documentary like presentation. I was not entirely impressed the first time I saw it but have since viewed it again and the music is stunning. I was thrilled to see this release and the 2 bonus scores that accompany it. I saw the Overlord trailer on YouTube some years ago and then caught the movie. The Criterion Collection is an amazing source for films like this. I look forward to this unique and very interesting release.

 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2014 - 10:37 AM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

Exactly the response I expected from you, Bruce.

I wrote hoping that it might be helpful to explain why something you write can be hurtful, that it might not really be achieving anything to do so.

I have always stayed silent on your remarks of this type, but thought it important for you to know that it may simply be counterproductive.

In case you cared.

 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2014 - 12:33 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

I was under the impression we all care, herein.

I thought that Bruce maybe had a go at stirring the hornet's nest. It's the sort of thing Lukas would probably like to do from time to time in order to keep FSM titles moving, but it's simply not his style. I think I understood what Bruce was saying. I have absolutely no qualms with his methods to drum up business. Alright, it was a sales pitch designed to provoke those of us sitting on the fence to move. He just did what many of the other labels probably would like to do, but are afraid to ask. They are probably glad he did that to remind us that if we want new titles to keep coming then we simply need to buy them!

 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2014 - 1:24 PM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

Alright, it was a sales pitch designed to provoke those of us sitting on the fence to move.



I'd say telling everyone within 24 hours of release that it is the slowest mover ever is the best way to make undecided people hesitate even more about pressing the buy button because they'll then expect it to be on sale at half price at some point.

 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2014 - 1:53 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Basil, we're talking about Kritzerland here, aren't we? And we know the score. 1000 per specialist title and then it's on to the next. It's a mutual appreciation society.

After what happened to the original Movie Grooves and FSM it's best not to look at things through rose-tinted glasses.

 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2014 - 5:07 PM   
 By:   Mr Drive   (Member)

I can easily see now how Stanley Kubrick became enamored with it, in fact, Kubrick used the film's cinematographer John Alcott to lens his next film which was 'Barry Lyndon'.

Little correction here, for the sake of film history. They were already working together since 2001... I mean since 1968 of course, when Alcott was assistant DP to Geoffrey Unsworth on 2001. He got promoted to cinematographer after Unsworth left the two year shoot. Alcott's involvement was probably the reason Kubrick became aware of Overlord at all.

 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2014 - 6:33 PM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

In the past, I've made enthusiastic suggestions here re 'Overlord' which is a stunning score to a very fine film. Ten times better than most Hollywood pap about D-Day, frankly.

Glass's score is beautiful, and slips with ease from a Glenn Millar smoochy, lazy style to full-blooded Vaughan-Williams, but not of a cheap or pastiche nature.

And the film, especially the poignant 'laying out for burial' symbolic scene in the morgue, and the very sad shots of the dead and wounded being loaded for transport, plus the aerial bombing footage, all very deep. How anyone can be dismissive of this score, I dunno.



Still, you can't have everything ....

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2014 - 6:55 PM   
 By:   Smitty   (Member)

I will definitely be buying this soon, mostly for Hustle. Paul Glass is a terrific composer and I honestly could not imagine any other label releasing either of his scores represented here.

As for the other conversation, I buy these albums for the music. Even if the main producer was being a total a-hole, which is not the case here, it would be nonsensical to deprive myself of the music because of that. In fact, it would be extremely silly.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2014 - 7:22 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

Exactly the response I expected from you, Bruce.

I wrote hoping that it might be helpful to explain why something you write can be hurtful, that it might not really be achieving anything to do so.

I have always stayed silent on your remarks of this type, but thought it important for you to know that it may simply be counterproductive.

In case you cared.


Exactly the response I expected from you, Sean smile

Seriously, I have explained my post all I'm going to. I made it VERY clear in my original post and I made it clear again. I don't know how much clearer I can be frankly - whatever I may think about people who don't even open a new release thread to check it out, that is not what I posted about. I posted that to go the extra mile on a title like this was, in the end, not worth it for Kritzerland, as the resulting sales would have been the same whether the extras were on it or not. I just can't see what was "hurtful" - there's NOTHING "hurtful" in my comments. I can agree with you to ease your pain, but I don't understand the pain or the reaction.

Also, at the time I made the post there were less than four hundred views of this thread, which was, at that time, a little wacky to me. NOW there are over 1800 - that's more like it, so if my post made this get some people to at least hear the samples, then that's a good thing smile

 
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