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 Posted:   May 24, 2014 - 4:08 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Incidentally, I didn't mean to come across as pooping on the thread. I simply didn't agree with the topic premise and it would have probably sufficed for me to simply say so.

That being said, I don't want any G movie to fail, because the brainiacs in charge of such things will probably perceive such failure as a lack of interest and simply stop making them.
That would be bad.
I believe it's possible that a G movie awaits us that is so excellent across the board that it will have made the road to get to it worthwhile. In the meantime we already have some that come so darn close that they keep us in great company while we wait.

 
 Posted:   May 24, 2014 - 4:20 PM   
 By:   drop_forge   (Member)

The studio, director, and die hard fans can say it was a smashing hit all they want, but the box office speaks for itself.

Indeed it does:

– #1 movie in the US its opening weekend

– Bigger opening day than both Captain America: TWS and X-Men: DoFP

– $118M domestic and counting as of 5/22 (Thursday)

– Still to open in the Asian market where it will rake it in.

And people here are still buying tickets to watch it.

If the movie had only made $50-60M to date, you might have a point. But I like I told you a few days ago...

...you're trying too hard. wink

 
 
 Posted:   May 24, 2014 - 4:37 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

– #1 movie in the US its opening weekend.


But, you see, that's not really such a big deal anymore.
Every "event" movie starts off big. Whether the movie continues it's BO domination over the next several weeks is what would qualify it as a "game-changer".

 
 
 Posted:   May 24, 2014 - 5:10 PM   
 By:   dan the man   (Member)

I think that the final decision in a industry which caters so much to a world market now, will be decided in the Asian market. If this film becomes the biggest hit in CHINA in years and in JAPAN[IT MIGHT ] in years then we have something that will probably keep GODZILLA roaring for years. We shall see in a few months.I will then eat a gallon of wonton soup and a pound of sushi and laugh my head off.

 
 Posted:   May 24, 2014 - 5:30 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

The studio, director, and die hard fans can say it was a smashing hit all they want, but the box office speaks for itself.

Indeed it does:

– #1 movie in the US its opening weekend

– Bigger opening day than both Captain America: TWS and X-Men: DoFP

– $118M domestic and counting as of 5/22 (Thursday)

– Still to open in the Asian market where it will rake it in.

And people here are still buying tickets to watch it.

If the movie had only made $50-60M to date, you might have a point. But I like I told you a few days ago...

...you're trying too hard. wink


Oh for Pete's sake stop stretching the truth. LOL

- It had no competition opening weekend.
- It benefited from a Thursday opening.
- And it needs to make two times more to break even.
- China will like it. Japan who knows, its kinda personal for them.
- Did you not read the 77 percent drop in ticket sales?

Ever notice when a comedy is released, the advertising goes like this? "Number One Comedy In America!", when it's the only comedy in the theaters at the time of it's release?

 
 
 Posted:   May 24, 2014 - 5:32 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

If this film becomes the biggest hit in CHINA in years and in JAPAN[IT MIGHT ] in years then we have something that will probably keep GODZILLA roaring for years.


Ha!
I wouldn't doubt it if you can already buy the DVD on the good streets of China.

 
 Posted:   May 24, 2014 - 5:45 PM   
 By:   JJH   (Member)

The only thing that could have made Godzilla better?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwS_vGM-Rr0


lame ass board software.

 
 
 Posted:   May 24, 2014 - 5:49 PM   
 By:   dan the man   (Member)

Oh I see, the movie was so great nothing could make the film better, get it.MANY PEOPLE I KNOW LOVED IT AND REALLY ENJOYED IT. YOU CAN'T TAKE THAT AWAY FROM THEM........

 
 
 Posted:   May 24, 2014 - 5:50 PM   
 By:   dan the man   (Member)

Oh I see, the movie was so great nothing could make the film better, get it.MANY PEOPLE I KNOW LOVED IT AND REALLY ENJOYED IT. YOU CAN'T TAKE THAT AWAY FROM THEM........

 
 Posted:   May 24, 2014 - 6:17 PM   
 By:   Maleficio   (Member)

Given that a sequel has been announced, and even a possible third film, it's pretty pointless analyzing the box office trend at this point.

After all is said and done, including merchandising, DVD/Blu-ray sales, and the yet untapped Asian market (which is where many of these blockbusters films are now making most their money); the film is a hit for the studio.

I enjoyed the film and I do agree with the main criticisms, but I look forward to the sequel (and the score assuming Desplat returns).

 
 
 Posted:   May 24, 2014 - 6:21 PM   
 By:   Joe E.   (Member)

Huh? It was a poor mans Transformers movie.

I imagine "Huh?" is something you say a lot. That's an odd way to describe a film that isn't anything like Bayformers.

And yes, as far as kaiju cinema goes, maybe it IS a game-changer.


"Huh" as in taken aback by a lot of hyperbole. People like the film fine. But to call it a game changer? The score was practically themeless and actually quite annoying in the film. The script was as bright as a Transformers film. Incredibly successful is yet to be determined. It's not like this is in the same league as Titanic, Avatar, or Avengers. I bet at the end of the day, the much hated 98 film adjusted for inflation equals the box office of this incarnation. Game changer? I think not.


LOL! Nobody expected it to be Titanic, Avatar or Avengers. Godzilla is not universally loved.

Avengers' success is deserved and well-explained. Titanic was alright but nothing that blew me away.

Avatar? Now that was the most overrated, unoriginal, overhyped spectacle ever. A threadbare "magic whitey" story that is essentially Pocahontas in space. An alien race that suspiciously resembles Native Americans? It's embarrassing that that movie was as successful as it was. And the "science" in it was awful.

If Godzilla spawns a new renaissance for kaiju cinema (one particular genre), then yes, it may be a game changer in that respect.


Don't disagree with your assessment of Avatar, but that by definition was a huge hit. Another way this movie is like a Bay movie is in the fact it's really nothing more than a 2 hour long US military, knights in shinning armor propaganda film. Apparently they even controlled Japan! Didn't we give that back? LOL


How is it a US military propaganda movie? The military is pretty inconsequential in the movie, and only there because of course they'd be out there if ginormous creatures like the ones in it actually appeared.

 
 Posted:   May 24, 2014 - 6:37 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)


How is it a US military propaganda movie? The military is pretty inconsequential in the movie, and only there because of course they'd be out there if ginormous creatures like the ones in it actually appeared.


The US military are deeply involved in these Hollywood productions. They make demands on the script that they are seen in the best of light, and have script approval. You won't see a soldier do anything immoral or cowardly in these films. It's GI Joe the perfect soldier. The very fact the film is about a military guy and not Godzilla in a Godzilla movie should tell you something. Funny enough, the military wouldn't corporate with Captain America Winter Soldier- probably because of the SHIELD/NSA similarities.

 
 
 Posted:   May 24, 2014 - 6:57 PM   
 By:   dan the man   (Member)

Hold on, did you ever see KING KONG LIVES-86- Where the director made the main soldier look like a over emotional sadistic redneck character. Films of this nature have done it both ways.

 
 
 Posted:   May 24, 2014 - 7:50 PM   
 By:   CitizenJoe   (Member)

Hold on, did you ever see KING KONG LIVES-86- Where the director made the main soldier look like a over emotional sadistic redneck character. Films of this nature have done it both ways.

Yeah sorry Solium, but that's pure bullshit. The military are not positively portrayed all of the time. Not even close.

 
 Posted:   May 24, 2014 - 8:07 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Hold on, did you ever see KING KONG LIVES-86- Where the director made the main soldier look like a over emotional sadistic redneck character. Films of this nature have done it both ways.

Yeah sorry Solium, but that's pure bullshit. The military are not positively portrayed all of the time. Not even close.


Hollywood has had an on again off again relationship with the military. Like during WW2? Not so much for a couple of decades after that. Its been generally all pro US military the last 14 years. Do your own research and get the facts before calling it pure BS. roll eyes

Edit: Here, I did the research for you-

"That increasing synergy between Hollywood and the Pentagon led to the current military-entertainment complex in which studios get to use taxpayer-subsidized military locations, equipment, personnel, and expertise in exchange for giving the military script approval. In this disproportionate exchange of power, the studios get significantly reduced production budgets, while the Pentagon gets to harness the power of cinema (and television) to advance a pro-war, pro-military agenda where multiplexes, flat screens and PCs become virtual recruitment offices."

http://movieline.com/2013/02/06/military-entertainment-complex-hollywood-pentagon-relationship-battleship-zero-dark-thirty/

 
 
 Posted:   May 24, 2014 - 8:43 PM   
 By:   dan the man   (Member)

So what is the point?Eveybody get's something and gives something to Hollywood including the death of millions[oh my we can't discuss that]

 
 Posted:   May 24, 2014 - 8:51 PM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

Any film that gets access to a bunch of US military equipment will have to have its script approved by the military, so very large budget movies that showcase military hardware definitely tend to depict the military in a positive light, otherwise the military will withdraw their cooperation and the movie will have less access to hardware to showcase. That said, plenty of movies get around this--it's always possible to use visual effects to put the bulk of your military hardware on film.

I do think the studio will think twice about spending $200 million on the next film given this film's drop-off. There will have to be an effort to add more to the sequel that people will be tempted to go back and see, which probably includes more involving characters. But $100 million opening is nothing to dismiss--Godzilla is not an established franchise in the U.S, it's not like this was The Avengers 2. Clearly there was quite a market for Godzilla, but not necessarily one for this particular Godzilla film. It's too bad because I loved a lot of the approach Edwards took.

 
 
 Posted:   May 24, 2014 - 9:15 PM   
 By:   Joe E.   (Member)

Hold on, did you ever see KING KONG LIVES-86- Where the director made the main soldier look like a over emotional sadistic redneck character. Films of this nature have done it both ways.

Yeah sorry Solium, but that's pure bullshit. The military are not positively portrayed all of the time. Not even close.


Hollywood has had an on again off again relationship with the military. Like during WW2? Not so much for a couple of decades after that. Its been generally all pro US military the last 14 years. Do your own research and get the facts before calling it pure BS. roll eyes

Edit: Here, I did the research for you-

"That increasing synergy between Hollywood and the Pentagon led to the current military-entertainment complex in which studios get to use taxpayer-subsidized military locations, equipment, personnel, and expertise in exchange for giving the military script approval. In this disproportionate exchange of power, the studios get significantly reduced production budgets, while the Pentagon gets to harness the power of cinema (and television) to advance a pro-war, pro-military agenda where multiplexes, flat screens and PCs become virtual recruitment offices."

http://movieline.com/2013/02/06/military-entertainment-complex-hollywood-pentagon-relationship-battleship-zero-dark-thirty/


Okay, but that still doesn't change the fact the military in this particular film isn't particularly portrayed in the manner you describe. No, the movie isn't going out of its way to show US troops in a negative light, but they're clearly not effective against any of the creatures, either. We do see military figures acting professionally, but... is that really so terribly unusual to you?

Incidentally, the military didn't participate in the production of The Avengers or I believe Captain America: The Winter Soldier because of the uncertainty of their fictional relationship with S.H.I.E.L.D. - it wasn't clear whether the fictional agency was supposed to have authority over the real-world US armed forces, and so on.

 
 
 Posted:   May 25, 2014 - 5:54 AM   
 By:   Mike West   (Member)

I can see where the Zimmer connection is a turn off for you, but the idea that Chris Nolan (MEMENTO, BATMAN BEGINS, INCEPTION) isn't an inventive filmmaker is totally alien to me.

don't know where I said that.

I think the new Godzilla is fun to watch and there is so much freshness in the directing, and very good ideas which make thr movie much more enjoyable than most of the blockbusters which feature quite predictable ways of how the story unfolds, which set-pieces are done in which way, how the editing works, what images are used etc.

And in terms of scores, it seems to me that the dark knight approach is everywhere nowadays. It is just too much.
Desplat could pull off a very good old school score in a sucessful movie.
so maybe it will become a model for other movies to come to also feature a good sinfonic score
in a blockbuster.

 
 Posted:   May 25, 2014 - 7:19 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

@ Joe E. - We're not supposed to talk politics here. I simply stated a fact and backed it up when called out as BS. I'll leave it at that. smile

@ Jeff Bond- It did well the opening weekend because the ad campaign was incredibly effective. If the film was anything like the tone of the previews it would have done better. Sadly what we got was bait and switch.

 
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