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 Posted:   Jun 12, 2014 - 2:57 PM   
 By:   JohnnyG   (Member)

You can't just blame the corporations. It's also a generational thing.


Ha! Yes we can.
Corporations make it their stock in trade to seek out the newer generation because the younger human brain has a built-in predisposition to perceive "newer" as "superior".
Only time+experience=wisdom corrects that illusion.

(Of course, there are always exceptions. Once in a while something newer IS actually better. big grin)



 
 Posted:   Jun 12, 2014 - 3:00 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Also keep in mind this streaming everything for one low price is only gonna last until ppl are stuck in the system. Then Amazon will split things into payment plans. Streaming movies only, streaming music only, higher price plan for both, and limited monthly bandwidth plans for your streaming pleasures.

 
 Posted:   Jun 12, 2014 - 3:18 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

That's a good point, about bandwidth. I had forgotten some providers are now limiting bandwidth and when you reach your max, you have to pay for more. I dont' keep up with the changes at all, but last I heard it was such a high amount many people would not reach it, but with the prevalence os people streaming songs, streaming movies, streaming TV shows, streaming who knows what else, I imagine you not only will start to reach it as you drop physical media, but when the servers of the IPS's get hit mroe and more with it, they'll lower the amount it takes to reach the bandwidth limit, then suddenly we'll all be getting hit.

 
 Posted:   Jun 12, 2014 - 3:21 PM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

I work, as do many people, on a strictly cash-only operational basis. Sites that do credit card (or services like PayPal) only services, preclude me. And I can't know how secure really they're services are and who gets my personal informatio nand what happens to it.

Wait what?

How do you buy your copies of CDs then? Find Intrada releases in the stores? That's why you use a credit card for things, if someone ends up with your information you are not going to be responsible for paying back the money that was spent on your card without your authorization.

As for your other points, almost nothing is cloud exclusive but merely cloud optional. There are plenty of services that give you a cloud copy of your download purchase but you typically have a download copy you can access.

Though your hard drive can crash losing all your data, with backups easily available this is not a huge issue. It is easy enough to back up everything every couple of weeks.

 
 Posted:   Jun 12, 2014 - 3:25 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Wait what?

How do you buy your copies of CDs then? Find Intrada releases in the stores? That's why you use a credit card for things, if someone ends up with your information you are not going to be responsible for paying back the money that was spent on your card without your authorization.

Intrada, like LLLR, SAE, and others, do still take money orders.

If somebody ends up with my personal information, who knows what they can do with it or whom they can sell it to. The lack of paying the label back, is the least of a buyer's concerns.

Though your hard drive can crash losing all your data, with backups easily available this is not a huge issue. It is easy enough to back up everything every couple of weeks.

Well, I never have to back up commercially purchased CD's, especially at an annoying rate of every couple weeks. Even once a month is too much. Hell, I rarely ever have to back up old CD-R's.

 
 Posted:   Jun 12, 2014 - 3:47 PM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

Well once you have a backup started, the amount you have to back up each time you update it should be minimal unless you added hundreds of albums to your collection in a given week. I just plug in my external hard drive every few weeks and add anything new to it. Usually takes me about 10 minutes.

 
 Posted:   Jun 12, 2014 - 4:51 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

I was an LP guy who happily embraced CDs, and I've purchased some music downloads and been generally satisfied with them. But I draw the line at streaming.

I'm glad I've got my Silver Age grails and so forth safely on my own shelf. I don't want to find out month to month if I'm still allowed to play them.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 12, 2014 - 5:52 PM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

It's still easier to put a CD in a tray, and press the PLAY button! lol

 
 Posted:   Jun 12, 2014 - 7:06 PM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

It's still easier to put a CD in a tray, and press the PLAY button! lol

What? Not really. Especially if in the middle of playing you get in the mood for something else. All my CDs are archived at my fingertips in lossless quality and easily searchable if I want to find something else to play.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 12, 2014 - 9:45 PM   
 By:   sherrill50   (Member)

It's still easier to put a CD in a tray, and press the PLAY button! lol

What? Not really. Especially if in the middle of playing you get in the mood for something else. All my CDs are archived at my fingertips in lossless quality and easily searchable if I want to find something else to play.


This. +1.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 12, 2014 - 9:45 PM   
 By:   sherrill50   (Member)

[One click, triplicate post. Whaaat?]

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 12, 2014 - 9:46 PM   
 By:   sherrill50   (Member)

[triplicate post]

 
 Posted:   Jun 12, 2014 - 11:02 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

It's still easier to put a CD in a tray, and press the PLAY button! lol

Nope. My CD collection ate me. I didn't have enough room to keep them anywhere. Half the time, I didn't know where a CD I wanted was. Music I wanted to listen to went unheard because I didn't have the energy to dig for the disc in question. Boxes of CDs went into the attic, never to be played.

Now, they're all on my hard drive, and my iPod, and in my car. This is easier. By far.

 
 Posted:   Jun 13, 2014 - 1:25 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

Nope. My CD collection ate me. I didn't have enough room to keep them anywhere. Half the time, I didn't know where a CD I wanted was. Music I wanted to listen to went unheard because I didn't have the energy to dig for the disc in question. Boxes of CDs went into the attic, never to be played.

If you'll pardon the tone, this seems more to be a personal problem than a format problem.

That said, I've been unplugging from the Internet lately and buying a lot more books. It became obvious a while back that the promise made to my generation (in the 1990s) ain't ever gonna come to pass. And I'm tired of the way things are becoming "less" (streaming, downloads, etc) because, I suppose, I find high value in tactile sensation. I prefer waking up next to a woman and not a computer monitor with pornography on it. Or something.

Unfortunately, while this whole physical/digital download/streaming discussion brings up heavy emotions in me, they're vague and not specific enough to know who to damn and who to praise. So let's just say I don't like the road we're on, so I'll just refuse to acknowledge and participate in our current culture. If that makes me an individual or a crank, time will tell.

 
 Posted:   Jun 13, 2014 - 1:31 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

There's some very valid points here but at the end of the day it falls into the class of what I call, "Arguing with how the world works".

Thing is, you can. But the world always wins.

 
 Posted:   Jun 13, 2014 - 1:34 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

There's some very valid points here but at the end of the day it falls into the class of what I call, "Arguing with how the world works".

Thing is, you can. But the world always wins.


"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." - George Bernard Shaw

 
 Posted:   Jun 13, 2014 - 1:50 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

LOL! I have three thoughts:

1. Quotations aren't going to stop the world changing. (I don't mean that to sound harsh.)

2. Complaining to the Film Score Monthly Forum isn't, I'm sure, what GBS had in mind when he talked about unreasonable people changing the world.

3. The people who are actually 'changing' the world (not those trying to keep it the same), i.e. those pushing the world to streaming probably are the people GBS had in mind.

So, here's the challenge. If folks want to change the direction of how things are going, what are you going to do besides complain?

I don't mean that to sound harsh, but to quote Jeff Bezos responding to bricks-and-mortar booksellers complaining about Amazon: "Complaining is not a strategy".

Cheers

 
 Posted:   Jun 13, 2014 - 2:17 AM   
 By:   WillGoldNewtonBarryGrusin   (Member)

Pretty apocalyptic around here...

Streaming is a good option for some. And those who do not want to choose their own playlists because they do not know or care enough about music will flock to it. It´s like the casual listener in the days of radio - they just switched it on and listened to what it offered.

The others will still collect and determine for themselves what they want. And believe me, every corporate entity will not want to lose that market as long as there´s money to make from it.

 
 Posted:   Jun 13, 2014 - 6:07 AM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

Let's see.... I've owned LPs, 45s, 8-tracks, cassettes, CDs, CD-rs, digital files, and streaming subscriptions. And I've listened to these and the radio on transistor radios, mid- and high-quality stereos, Walkmans, car stereos, computers, iPods, iPads, and phones.

And you know what I got? Lots and LOTS of great experiences with music I own and music I rent.

I like me this new world just fine.

And I'm with Schiffy. Digital organization of music beats the living daylights out of thousands of CDs to store and file and organize and just plain lose track of.

Yep, this is a brave new world. And it's all mine!

 
 Posted:   Jun 13, 2014 - 6:18 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

I find high value in tactile sensation.

That's a good line.

 
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