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 Posted:   Jul 7, 2014 - 7:59 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)



To be fair, they couldn't include an alternate panel if they were unable to license any artwork for it. I imagine they did the best they could with the licensing restrictions they had to deal with. And when it comes to rejected scores, it probably gets even murkier.



Well, that may be true, but they could have included a panel of original artwork that reflected the mood/era/aesthetic of the music and film.

What they came up with looks like a $1.99 Springboard LP from the 1970s, which would be fine, except that it costs more than $1.99.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2014 - 8:06 PM   
 By:   John McMasters   (Member)

I scooped this up as quickly as my fingers could click. Two scores I've never heard by an authentic American genius. Thanks for a brilliant job, Intrada. A tremendous release in every way.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2014 - 8:30 PM   
 By:   RM Eastman   (Member)

Alex North= Bought blindly!!

 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2014 - 9:22 PM   
 By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)


I produced this CD for Intrada and the North estate. I am pleased to see the positive response; we were afraid this one would be totally ignored.

I was disappointed to see complaints about the artwork—then realized it's not six people complaining, but one person complaining six times...which always seems to be the case. You can complain if you want, but as a rejected score and an obscure documentary score made for a chemical company, please understand original motion picture imagery was not contractually available. In fact, just try to WATCH Decision for Chemistry—good luck! We actually went to a bit of trouble to get a reference copy of Decision for Chemistry on DVDR from the Monsanto collection at a University library so we could make sure we were doing the music editing properly. So it kind of sucks to go to all this trouble for something so obscure, and have one person be stridently negative about something over which we had no control. I truly have no objection to people expressing their opinion and maybe being disappointed by something like the lack of motion picture artwork, but at a certain point it's just obnoxious. Sorry that I had no interest in spending a year trying to negotiate motion picture artwork rights to something nobody has ever seen that nobody has any paperwork for, just to please one person who would then be cranky about something else.

Anyway, this was a fun project that Intrada bankrolled and the North estate approved. I hope people enjoy the music as much as I have!

Lukas

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2014 - 12:05 AM   
 By:   CindyLover   (Member)

We need more releases with the composer's picture on the cover!

Be careful what you wish for...

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2014 - 12:34 AM   
 By:   The CinemaScope Cat   (Member)

Sorry, I want to see stunning period graphics and images, not photos of aging goofy looking guys who wrote the music.

Assuming your post is not tongue in cheek, then it's not all about the music, it's about the pretty pictures? Personally if I could get some of my favorite scores on CD like Barry's Tamarind Seed or Tiomkin's The High And The Mighty, I couldn't care if they came in a plain brown wrapper!

 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2014 - 2:33 AM   
 By:   Ag^Janus   (Member)

Wonderful, two obscure Alex North works. I suspect more than the usual courage was needed to get these published.

May I complement Intrada and Mr Kendall on their fine taste. big grin

 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2014 - 3:12 AM   
 By:   JohnnyG   (Member)

Sorry, I want to see stunning period graphics and images, not photos of aging goofy looking guys who wrote the music.

Assuming your post is not tongue in cheek, then it's not all about the music, it's about the pretty pictures? Personally if I could get some of my favorite scores on CD like Barry's Tamarind Seed or Tiomkin's The High And The Mighty, I couldn't care if they came in a plain brown wrapper!



Ah, the Tamarind Seed!...


WE NEED A RELEASE OF THE TAMARIND SEED!!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2014 - 4:30 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

I produced this CD for Intrada and the North estate. I am pleased to see the positive response; we were afraid this one would be totally ignored.

I was disappointed to see complaints about the artwork—then realized it's not six people complaining, but one person complaining six times...which always seems to be the case. You can complain if you want, but as a rejected score and an obscure documentary score made for a chemical company, please understand original motion picture imagery was not contractually available. In fact, just try to WATCH Decision for Chemistry—good luck! We actually went to a bit of trouble to get a reference copy of Decision for Chemistry on DVDR from the Monsanto collection at a University library so we could make sure we were doing the music editing properly. So it kind of sucks to go to all this trouble for something so obscure, and have one person be stridently negative about something over which we had no control. I truly have no objection to people expressing their opinion and maybe being disappointed by something like the lack of motion picture artwork, but at a certain point it's just obnoxious. Sorry that I had no interest in spending a year trying to negotiate motion picture artwork rights to something nobody has ever seen that nobody has any paperwork for, just to please one person who would then be cranky about something else.

Anyway, this was a fun project that Intrada bankrolled and the North estate approved. I hope people enjoy the music as much as I have!

Lukas


I appreciate your detailed response, but the lack of availability of original artwork is no excuse not to come up with appropriate original artwork. 1950s atomic imagery is everywhere. Packaging and aesthetics are important to some of us.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2014 - 5:29 AM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)

I truly have no objection to people expressing their opinion and maybe being disappointed by something like the lack of motion picture artwork, but at a certain point it's just obnoxious.



You are correct, sir.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2014 - 6:00 AM   
 By:   nerfTractor   (Member)

This is a real thrill. Always great to hear a familiar master tackle an unexpected genre. Documentary scores need our love, too!

 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2014 - 6:26 AM   
 By:   orbital   (Member)

1950s atomic imagery is everywhere.

What has "1950s atomic imagery" to do with "Sounder"? Bottom line: I don't think it's that simple.

Packaging and aesthetics are important to some of us.

Oh really? And you are telling this to Lukas Kendall?

lol

 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2014 - 6:36 AM   
 By:   AlexCope   (Member)

There's few surprises collecting soundtracks anymore, but this one came out of nowhere. I didn't even know these existed! Thanks to Lukas, Intrada, and the North estate. A wonderful surprise.

 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2014 - 6:42 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Sorry, I want to see stunning period graphics and images, not photos of aging goofy looking guys who wrote the music.

Assuming your post is not tongue in cheek, then it's not all about the music, it's about the pretty pictures? Personally if I could get some of my favorite scores on CD like Barry's Tamarind Seed or Tiomkin's The High And The Mighty, I couldn't care if they came in a plain brown wrapper!


The score is the most important thing for me so I would purchase a release regardless of the packaging. But I agree with OnyaBirri, the artwork is lacking in many ways. Over pixelated (sp?) images, dreary colors, inappropriate type. A plain brown wrapper with the title and composers name would have been better. We should be able to objectively discuss the product without hurting feelings.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2014 - 6:57 AM   
 By:   mrchriswell   (Member)

Packaging matters. Of course it does, especially at a time when buying physical music formats is in such decline. And it matters to collectors how their collections look on the shelf. No shame in that. Was licensing images from Sounder a problem? I mean, God bless Alex, but he was no Cary Grant in the mug shot department.

 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2014 - 7:06 AM   
 By:   Peter Greenhill   (Member)

Very interesting release. I'll be ordering this one, for sure!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2014 - 7:33 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)



What has "1950s atomic imagery" to do with "Sounder"? Bottom line: I don't think it's that simple.



You do a fold-out and place key panels in such a way that more than one can serve as the cover art. If the original art is not available, you do something in an appropriate style. With a fold-out, they could have done 3 covers and let the buyer decide. I have worked on reissues that have used this approach.

Bottom line: I don't think it's that difficult.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2014 - 8:31 AM   
 By:   Roger Feigelson   (Member)



What has "1950s atomic imagery" to do with "Sounder"? Bottom line: I don't think it's that simple.



You do a fold-out and place key panels in such a way that more than one can serve as the cover art. If the original art is not available, you do something in an appropriate style. With a fold-out, they could have done 3 covers and let the buyer decide. I have worked on reissues that have used this approach.

Bottom line: I don't think it's that difficult.


Bored now.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2014 - 8:55 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)


Bored now.


So am I. I will shut up as long as people refrain from telling us how impossible any other option would have been.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2014 - 9:26 AM   
 By:   Niall from Ireland   (Member)



What has "1950s atomic imagery" to do with "Sounder"? Bottom line: I don't think it's that simple.



You do a fold-out and place key panels in such a way that more than one can serve as the cover art. If the original art is not available, you do something in an appropriate style. With a fold-out, they could have done 3 covers and let the buyer decide. I have worked on reissues that have used this approach.

Bottom line: I don't think it's that difficult.


Bored now.


Great release Roger, thanks to you all at Intrada and to Lukas Kendall. I love the photo of the great Alex North on this cover. Releases like this one bring so much pleasure and joy to so many of us, your efforts are very much appreciated.

 
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