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 Posted:   Jul 28, 2014 - 1:30 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)


What's the point of doing that? To make people buy twice the same score? Everyone of us knew it was coming after being tricked with "Star Trek" (2009)


Juanki, surely as a film score fan you know better than this? You must be aware that score releases to big movies like Into Darkness happen often before release date of the movie and as such can be incomplete or rushed in being put together. It was a given that Varese would do a deluxe version. And who knows, maybe as was the case with the previous Star Trek deluxe, the mixes of some of the tracks might be different from the album release.

 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2014 - 1:30 AM   
 By:   drivingmissdaisy   (Member)

I am sorry to say but this is extremely disappointing.

The important release was "Star Trek Into Darkness" and all of us already knew it was coming. Well, nice job Varese, you released a single edition last year only to become old a year later.

About the rest of releases, I can't comment because I know nothing about those movies.

I miss the days when Varese Club meant new (never available before) Goldsmith, Bernstein, Williams, Grusin, Newman, Silvestri...


Ok, you knew it was coming so does it make it less important it's now out? They never promised you that it would be 4 reissued/expanded releases. Let's be happy that Into Darkness finally is out. Sheesh.


Star Trek into Darkness isn't a highlight score for my tastes either. It being the high point of Varese announcement made the whole thing predictable and boring.


To each there own. I hope there is something in another batch in the future you may fancy! smile


I am looking forward to next time smile



Excellent! Now in the mean time pick up some goodies from Intrada that are 35% off!! Or another great label smile

 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2014 - 1:33 AM   
 By:   Juanki   (Member)


The important release was "Star Trek Into Darkness" and all of us already knew it was coming. Well, nice job Varese, you released a single edition last year only to become old a year later.


Which is why I waited till this deluxe edition happened before buying it. I saw a pattern with the last Giacchino Star Trek score.


What's the point of doing that? To make people buy twice the same score? Everyone of us knew it was coming after being tricked with "Star Trek" (2009)


The reason there are single disc versions of the new movie scores is because the average movie goer who will buy a film score won't shell out $25-30 for one. These limited editions are for us fans. So I seriously doubt labels who do this are tricking anybody.


They really tricked us with "Star Trek" (2009). It was a phenomenal movie (and score) and I guess the majority of users from this forum bought the regular release for one of these reasons:

1. Love to "Star Trek". Even no film music fans, usually like Star Trek music.

2. Giacchino's most impressive work to date. Fans of the composers who would buy everything from his.

3. They watched the movie and really liked what they heard.

It was also an award worthy score, got nominated for a Grammy (which always helps to get noticed).

In less that a year, Varese released the Deluxe Edition, making the old release unnecessary for everyone. The new edition was limited to 5000 copies so you better pay and buy or you'll miss it.

Now, the important thing. It was not completed. It lacked chorus. They tricked us.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2014 - 1:33 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

Was expecting Star Trek Into Darkness, which doesn't make it any less stellar a release, but was surprised with Reinhold Heil's "Haunt", excellent batch Peter!

Reinhold doesn't get enough credit as a good composer. Nuno Malo was composer of a great score for The Celestine Prophecy on Moviescoremedia.


Agreed! Will need to check out Celestine Prophecy.

 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2014 - 1:36 AM   
 By:   Juanki   (Member)

Most, if not all, of the gems of those composers have been released. (I know some folks will list titles, but you get the point I guess.)
I get your disappointment, but perhaps your expectations were a little to high.


There are A LOT to be released by those composers (in deluxe editions as well). And the thing is that Varese holds the rights.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2014 - 1:37 AM   
 By:   Mr. Popular   (Member)

Was expecting Star Trek Into Darkness, which doesn't make it any less stellar a release, but was surprised with Reinhold Heil's "Haunt", excellent batch Peter!

Reinhold doesn't get enough credit as a good composer. Nuno Malo was composer of a great score for The Celestine Prophecy on Moviescoremedia.


Agreed! Will need to check out Celestine Prophecy.


The winner of the 2010 ‘Breakout Composer of the Year’ Award handed out by the International Film Music Critics Association, Portugues composer Nuno Malo’s first major feature film score here gets its world premiere on CD. Written for the film version of James Redfield’s best-selling novel, The Celestine Prophecy, the awe-inspiring score is written for orchestra and choir, and features an abundance of beautiful themes and set-pieces. Ethnical instrumentation gives the score interesting colors. It’s a score that will remind listeners of the most beautiful of James Horner’s scores (among the 22 tracks on the album, “Heaven” is an emotional knock-out!).

In the words of producer and screenplay author Barnet Bain, “through the gift of Nuno’s talent, we can close eyes and relive the spiritual adventure, discovering – and being discovered by – more of who we really are.” This is the 12th entry in MovieScore Media’s acclaimed ‘Discovery Collection’ which has included scores by such esteemed film composers as Basil Poledouris, Michael Kamen and Dario Marianelli.

 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2014 - 1:38 AM   
 By:   Superman1701   (Member)


The important release was "Star Trek Into Darkness" and all of us already knew it was coming. Well, nice job Varese, you released a single edition last year only to become old a year later.


Which is why I waited till this deluxe edition happened before buying it. I saw a pattern with the last Giacchino Star Trek score.


What's the point of doing that? To make people buy twice the same score? Everyone of us knew it was coming after being tricked with "Star Trek" (2009)


The reason there are single disc versions of the new movie scores is because the average movie goer who will buy a film score won't shell out $25-30 for one. These limited editions are for us fans. So I seriously doubt labels who do this are tricking anybody.


They really tricked us with "Star Trek" (2009). It was a phenomenal movie (and score) and I guess the majority of users from this forum bought the regular release for one of these reasons:

1. Love to "Star Trek". Even no film music fans, usually like Star Trek music.

2. Giacchino's most impressive work to date. Fans of the composers who would buy everything from his.

3. They watched the movie and really liked what they heard.

It was also an award worthy score, got nominated for a Grammy (which always helps to get noticed).

In less that a year, Varese released the Deluxe Edition, making the old release unnecessary for everyone. The new edition was limited to 5000 copies so you better pay and buy or you'll miss it.

Now, the important thing. It was not completed. It lacked chorus. They tricked us.


This one may not have chorus either. And if so, it isn't the end of the world as I didn't notice it was missing the last time around until people brought it up

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2014 - 1:39 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)


They really tricked us. They tricked us.




Yes, what a scam! roll eyes

Speak for yourself please.

 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2014 - 1:40 AM   
 By:   drivingmissdaisy   (Member)


The important release was "Star Trek Into Darkness" and all of us already knew it was coming. Well, nice job Varese, you released a single edition last year only to become old a year later.


Which is why I waited till this deluxe edition happened before buying it. I saw a pattern with the last Giacchino Star Trek score.


What's the point of doing that? To make people buy twice the same score? Everyone of us knew it was coming after being tricked with "Star Trek" (2009)


The reason there are single disc versions of the new movie scores is because the average movie goer who will buy a film score won't shell out $25-30 for one. These limited editions are for us fans. So I seriously doubt labels who do this are tricking anybody.


They really tricked us with "Star Trek" (2009). It was a phenomenal movie (and score) and I guess the majority of users from this forum bought the regular release for one of these reasons:

1. Love to "Star Trek". Even no film music fans, usually like Star Trek music.

2. Giacchino's most impressive work to date. Fans of the composers who would buy everything from his.

3. They watched the movie and really liked what they heard.

It was also an award worthy score, got nominated for a Grammy (which always helps to get noticed).

In less that a year, Varese released the Deluxe Edition, making the old release unnecessary for everyone. The new edition was limited to 5000 copies so you better pay and buy or you'll miss it.

Now, the important thing. It was not completed. It lacked chorus. They tricked us.


Varèse as far as I know doesn't use the word COMPLETE in their labeling of CD's. I believe the Star Trek expanded was a deluxe. Keep in mind that the AFM tweaked their rules so if you release soundtracks under 15,000 it's a lot better then it used to be. I do not think the SAG-AFTRA, which is the chorus folks, have done a 15,000 agreement. They are a completely different union with completely different rules so maybe that is why some of the chorus is left off the Star Trek expanded from 2009. This is of course just a hunch. OR it could have been a decision that Michael Giacchino wanted in the expanded. Remember all those great 30 minute OLD Varèse albums from 15 plus years ago. It's because it was WAY too expensive to release much more than 30 or so minutes of music if the music was recorded in LA. Hope this makes sense smile

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2014 - 1:43 AM   
 By:   Mr. Popular   (Member)


The important release was "Star Trek Into Darkness" and all of us already knew it was coming. Well, nice job Varese, you released a single edition last year only to become old a year later.


Which is why I waited till this deluxe edition happened before buying it. I saw a pattern with the last Giacchino Star Trek score.


What's the point of doing that? To make people buy twice the same score? Everyone of us knew it was coming after being tricked with "Star Trek" (2009)


The reason there are single disc versions of the new movie scores is because the average movie goer who will buy a film score won't shell out $25-30 for one. These limited editions are for us fans. So I seriously doubt labels who do this are tricking anybody.


They really tricked us with "Star Trek" (2009). It was a phenomenal movie (and score) and I guess the majority of users from this forum bought the regular release for one of these reasons:

1. Love to "Star Trek". Even no film music fans, usually like Star Trek music.

2. Giacchino's most impressive work to date. Fans of the composers who would buy everything from his.

3. They watched the movie and really liked what they heard.

It was also an award worthy score, got nominated for a Grammy (which always helps to get noticed).

In less that a year, Varese released the Deluxe Edition, making the old release unnecessary for everyone. The new edition was limited to 5000 copies so you better pay and buy or you'll miss it.

Now, the important thing. It was not completed. It lacked chorus. They tricked us.


Using the word "tricking us" implies the label wants to rip off fans. I doubt that is the case. Seriously?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2014 - 1:44 AM   
 By:   Mr. Popular   (Member)


The important release was "Star Trek Into Darkness" and all of us already knew it was coming. Well, nice job Varese, you released a single edition last year only to become old a year later.


Which is why I waited till this deluxe edition happened before buying it. I saw a pattern with the last Giacchino Star Trek score.


What's the point of doing that? To make people buy twice the same score? Everyone of us knew it was coming after being tricked with "Star Trek" (2009)


The reason there are single disc versions of the new movie scores is because the average movie goer who will buy a film score won't shell out $25-30 for one. These limited editions are for us fans. So I seriously doubt labels who do this are tricking anybody.


They really tricked us with "Star Trek" (2009). It was a phenomenal movie (and score) and I guess the majority of users from this forum bought the regular release for one of these reasons:

1. Love to "Star Trek". Even no film music fans, usually like Star Trek music.

2. Giacchino's most impressive work to date. Fans of the composers who would buy everything from his.

3. They watched the movie and really liked what they heard.

It was also an award worthy score, got nominated for a Grammy (which always helps to get noticed).

In less that a year, Varese released the Deluxe Edition, making the old release unnecessary for everyone. The new edition was limited to 5000 copies so you better pay and buy or you'll miss it.

Now, the important thing. It was not completed. It lacked chorus. They tricked us.


Varèse as far as I know doesn't use the word COMPLETE in their labeling of CD's. I believe the Star Trek expanded was a deluxe. Keep in mind that the AFM tweaked their rules so if you release soundtracks under 15,000 it's a lot better then it used to be. I do not think the SAG-AFTRA, which is the chorus folks, have done a 15,000 agreement. They are a completely different union with completely different rules so maybe that is why some of the chorus is left off the Star Trek expanded from 2009. This is of course just a hunch. OR it could have been a decision that Michael Giacchino wanted in the expanded. Remember all those great 30 minute OLD Varèse albums from 15 plus years ago. It's because it was WAY too expensive to release much more than 30 or so minutes of music if the music was recorded in LA. Hope this makes sense smile


SAG AFTRA does not have the same deals for labels as AFM does.

 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2014 - 1:46 AM   
 By:   Juanki   (Member)

Ok guys, if you want to pay once again for the deluxe edition of a score (you already paid for the first edition) and the announcement claims that it's complete and when you play it, discover that it is not what you expected to hear (different from what you heard in the movie), it's ok.

By the way, the most embarrassing thing Varese did was "Chinatown" as a Club release with the same contents as a regular release.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2014 - 1:47 AM   
 By:   Mr. Popular   (Member)


They really tricked us. They tricked us.


Yes, what a scam! roll eyes

Speak for yourself please.


What some of our fellow fans fail to recognize is that Varese uses Universal for distribution. Deluxe Edition scores would never sell all that great to fans who see these movies, like the music but aren't died in the wool collectors like we are.

Universal, like all physical distributors, takes a cut of every sale. To put out a double CD edition of something like Star Trek would be expensive and may not sell as well as having a single CD edition for non-collectors to buy.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2014 - 1:48 AM   
 By:   Mr. Popular   (Member)

Ok guys, if you want to pay once again for the deluxe edition of a score (you already paid for the first edition) and the announcement claims that it's complete and when you play it, discover that it is not what you expected to hear (different from what you heard in the movie), it's ok.

By the way, the most embarrassing thing Varese did was "Chinatown" as a Club release with the same contents as a regular release.


First off, nobody here is most likely paying for two releases. Most know a deluxe is coming and will wait. Secondly, how is releasing Chinatown again embarrassing? So when Intrada or some other label decides to re-release something that isn't much different than the previous version that is embarrassing? LOL.

 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2014 - 1:49 AM   
 By:   Juanki   (Member)

This is of course just a hunch. OR it could have been a decision that Michael Giacchino wanted in the expanded.

Varese should had advertise it.

 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2014 - 1:50 AM   
 By:   drivingmissdaisy   (Member)

Ok guys, if you want to pay once again for the deluxe edition of a score (you already paid for the first edition) and the announcement claims that it's complete and when you play it, discover that it is not what you expected to hear (different from what you heard in the movie), it's ok.

By the way, the most embarrassing thing Varese did was "Chinatown" as a Club release with the same contents as a regular release.


I must be missing something, where in the description above that I posted does it state it's complete? Maybe my eyesight is failing me which I may need glasses. Thanks smile

 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2014 - 1:51 AM   
 By:   Juanki   (Member)

First off, nobody here is most likely paying for two releases. Most know a deluxe is coming and will wait.

Oh yeah. I am sure all of us took notice of this too late (after rebuying a few of scores).


Secondly, how is releasing Chinatown again embarrassing? So when Intrada or some other label decides to re-release something that isn't much different than the previous version that is embarrassing? LOL.


They should had released it as a Encore Edition, not as a Club one (more expensive also).

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2014 - 1:53 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

I just put Juanki on ignore, what a troll.

 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2014 - 1:54 AM   
 By:   CindyLover   (Member)

Ok guys, if you want to pay once again for the deluxe edition of a score (you already paid for the first edition)

Actually, no I didn't. As with the first movie, I found myself not getting it at once (and as with the first movie I'm glad I waited).

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2014 - 1:55 AM   
 By:   Mr. Popular   (Member)

Ok guys, if you want to pay once again for the deluxe edition of a score (you already paid for the first edition) and the announcement claims that it's complete and when you play it, discover that it is not what you expected to hear (different from what you heard in the movie), it's ok.

By the way, the most embarrassing thing Varese did was "Chinatown" as a Club release with the same contents as a regular release.


I must be missing something, where in the description above that I posted does it state it's complete? Maybe my eyesight is failing me which I may need glasses. Thanks smile


You didn't. Some seem to think that the label is cheating customers when they never announced anything more than a "Deluxe Edition". Fans buy deluxe editions. Average people buy standard editions. For labels the name of the game is selling the max amount of CDs and digital albums.

A single set appeals to fans and casual viewers alike. Some fans are happy with single editions. Some want more. According to friends of mine, STID has sold a lot of units for Varese. These units are not being bought by just the fan communities. If the labels started releasing deluxe editions and nothing else, these sales would drop because the price goes UP because of all the content being added.

 
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