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 Posted:   Sep 1, 2015 - 10:48 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

So...do you guys KNOW what Telemark actually is?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2015 - 11:22 AM   
 By:   jkannry   (Member)

needs must, when its food and toilet roll or a new soundtrack!! have to be realistic.

put 29.99 aside in case we ever get Fafdm!


If FAFDM ever comes out, I'll do without toilet rolls or food until I've saved up enough money to buy it!


What is FAFDM?

 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2015 - 11:23 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

lots of hills, south east norway.
and the film was based on the raid at the heavy water plant at Rjukan.

p.s For a Few Dollars More, one of chris' most sought-after scores. weirdly, made same year as Telemark. the early sixties, 1965!

 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2015 - 11:36 AM   
 By:   Chris Rimmer   (Member)

lots of hills, south east norway.
and the film was based on the raid at the heavy water plant at Rjukan.

p.s For a Few Dollars More, one of chris' most sought-after scores. weirdly, made same year as Telemark. the early sixties, 1965!


Cheeky beggar smile

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2015 - 12:40 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

lots of hills, south east norway.
and the film was based on the raid at the heavy water plant at Rjukan.


Correct. Telemark is a big county in South East Norway -- known for their hills and forests. Interestingly, I was at the bridge in Rjukan about 10 years ago (you know, the one they're trying to blow up in the movie and in real life) to bungee jump the 80 meters down! And I've got the footage to prove it:

https://www.facebook.com/tjhaga/videos/45324126277/?l=3952227162830859531

Take that, Kirk Douglas! wink

 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2015 - 2:40 PM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

so whats that thing in skiing when they talk about telemark?
i dont follow it but my ears pricked up once when the comentator said the name?

is it a technique for skiing long distances with explosives in your rucksack chased by german skiiers?!!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2015 - 2:46 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

so whats that thing in skiing when they talk about telemark?
i dont follow it but my ears pricked up once when the comentator said the name?

is it a technique for skiing long distances with explosives in your rucksack chased by german skiiers?!!


Yeah, that would have been something! But we have biathlon for that.

It's actually a ski event based on the ORIGINAL ski techniques of Telemark native Sondre Norheim -- the pioneer of modern skiiing. But it's evolved considerably over the years.

 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2015 - 2:58 PM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

oh ok. interesting. So sondre was the original hero of telemark.
good to know.

anyway, moving swiftly back to all things Malcolm "i use my battered oscar as a doorstop in my conservatory" arnold.

Always loved this film. especially the snowy landscapes, the forests and the feel of it.
in some ways it was a forerunner to Where Eagles Dare.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2015 - 3:22 PM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

oh ok. interesting. So sondre was the original hero of telemark.
good to know.

anyway, moving swiftly back to all things Malcolm "i use my battered oscar as a doorstop in my conservatory" arnold.

Always loved this film. especially the snowy landscapes, the forests and the feel of it.
in some ways it was a forerunner to Where Eagles Dare.



One of my earliest film memories is seeing that German soldier plastered to the train and going under it. It must have been shown on the telly at a fairly early stage as I never got to the pictures in the early sixties...

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2015 - 3:37 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I'm sorry for avoiding the actual topic time and again (HEROES is a fine film and score), but I also want to give a shout-out to the original Norwegian film of which HEROES is a remake of sorts -- KAMPEN OM TUNGTVANNET (OPERATION SWALLOW: THE BATTLE FOR HEAVY WATER) from 1948 with a modern score by Gunnar Sønstevold. Last year, they also made a TV series about it here in Norway -- one of our most expensive television shows. So it's apparently a story that keeps on givin'.

As for STAGECOACH, I've only seen the classic John Ford original, never the remake. But a fine Goldsmith score it is. There, I managed to say something on-topic.

 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2015 - 3:51 PM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

it is indeed a fascinating story.
from the net
"Ray Mears made a documentary titled "The Real Heroes of Telemark" as a response to the inaccuracies of the film, giving an account more focused on the outdoor skills that were required for the operation (spending months in the mountains and remote cabins)."

didnt know that. but then a little hollywood license is allowed, epecially when its Kirk, its richard harris, its the germans, its snowing, and its the early 60s!!

 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2015 - 6:43 PM   
 By:   Joe Sikoryak   (Member)

Nice work! It will be a rare experience to hear anything from Mainstream that actually sounds good (though Intrada did a very nice clean-up of A PATCH OF BLUE in 1997).

Sounds like you haven't heard the Bernstein AVA Collection or The Trouble With Angels on Intrada CDs. The stereo LP masters are infinitely better than anything you might have heard on Vinyl. They're simply stunning, as is Stagecoach.

 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2015 - 6:43 PM   
 By:   Joe Sikoryak   (Member)

dp

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2015 - 7:17 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

I'm looking forwards to this, I've always wanted the Telemark score since seeing the film way back in the early 60's.

As for Stagecoach, for some reason I've never bought this on previous releases, so this is most welcome.

Thankyou Intrada.


okay chris - very impressive! - so how many years before it was made did you see it?!! ha ha.

i once met a norwegian called olaf who said he was in Heroes of telemark.
in one scene he was a patrolling german, in another a dead german.


Make that mid '60s. I hope Intrada's stereo reissue of Sir Malcolm Arnold's "The Heroes Of Telemark" is a direct improvement over that rather muddy sounding MP3 download, which was taken off a L.P..

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2015 - 7:42 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

INTRADA Announces:

THE HEROES OF TELEMARK
Composed and Conducted by MALCOLM ARNOLD

STAGECOACH
Composed by JERRY GOLDSMITH
Conducted by ALEXANDER COURAGE

INTRADA Special Collection Vol. 333


Intrada's latest release from the Mainstream catalog features two entire albums that were originally released on vinyl in the mid-60s. Stagecoach makes its first appearance on CD from the first-generation multi-channel album masters and The Heroes of Telemark makes its world premiere release on CD.

Arnold’s main theme for The Heroes of Telemark is characteristically broad and exuberant. Part fanfare and part processional, the theme presses forward with a majestic sweep. It is the score’s keystone, appearing in settings both grandiose and subdued, shifting from major to minor when appropriate, and surfacing in various guises within the pulse-pounding action and suspense sequences. The score was recorded at Cine-Tele Sound Studios in London under Malcolm Arnold’s baton and featured a pinched audio quality. The stereo imaging is minimal and the recording was originally locked down with an abundance of reverb, giving the overall album a very “wet” sound with limited clarity. Intrada located both the original stereo and mono album masters and determined the same audio limitations existed on the mono masters, though without the benefit of any stereo separation at all, so Intrada elected to use the stereo master.

The Heroes are nine Norwegian saboteurs -- Resistance Fighters who stopped the Nazis from gaining a vital ingredient for making the atomic bomb. Their lonely acts of courage succeeded where gliders full of crack British Commandos failed and a massive bombing raid by more than a hundred American Flying Fortresses could not knock out a fortress-like factory hidden ina distant Norwegian valley.

Moving from WW II Europe to the old west, Stagecoach was a remake of the famous John Wayne western and also featured an all-star cast, : Ann-Margret, Red Buttons, Michael Connors, Alex Cord, Bing Crosby, Bob Cummings, Van Heflin, Slim Pickens, Stefanie Powers and Keenan Wynn. Jerry Goldsmith was along for the ride as well, providing a score with more subtlety and depth than the usual genre fare. Goldsmith avoids spending much time on action scenes, which are largely unscored and does not squander his time on a plethora of themes or motifs for the overflowing cast. Instead he delivers a spare and spirited score of unexpected beauty. The featured musical colors are harmonica, mouth harp, guitar and accordion, evoking the intimacy of a lonely campfire while pulling against the scale of the screen and the bumpy ride in store for its occupants.

For the album re-recording session, Jerry Goldsmith newly recorded virtually every sequence from his brief film score save the closing bars of the final song, “Stagecoach To Cheyenne” by Lee Pockriss and Paul Vance, sung in the picture by Wayne Newton but on the album by The Bill Brown Singers. All previous CD releases were drawn either from vinyl or from 2-track mixes that omitted much of the orchestral detail in the score. Even the original LP was prepared from watered-down mixes. With this CD release of the score, every orchestral detail is at last available, newly mixed from the 1? masters made at the recording sessions in January 1966.


INTRADA Special Collection Vol. 333
Retail Price: $19.99

http://store.intrada.com/s.nl/it.A/id.9838/.f

Two sensational '60's Mainstream albums, completely remastered from newly-discovered elements, together on one CD! Anthony Mann directs The Heroes Of Telemark with Kirk Douglas, Richard Harris, Michael Redgrave. Malcolm Arnold writes fanfare-like main theme in bright major key, identifies melody with Norwegian Commandos determined to prevent Nazis from gaining atomic bomb in October 1942. Their mission: destroy the Vermork Norsk Hydro plant in Telemark county of German-occupied Norway. Arnold fills exciting score with flourishes for ski runs, requisite military martial music, aggressive action sequences and soaring romantic material for "Anna". Yet no matter where Arnold goes, vibrant main theme and corresponding major chords stay close by. Dynamic finish is another asset to this vibrant, powerful score! Intrada premiere CD release mastered from recently located first-generation original 1965 album masters. Both mono, stereo versions of actual recording were pinched, aided little by excessive reverb. Stereo version, while genuine, offers minimal imaging. After auditioning both, Intrada chose stereo version, adding to Arnold's vastly under-represented catalog of film scores on CD. Stagecoach re-recording, oft-reissued, finally arrives on CD for first time from newly-discovered actual 1" recording session tapes made in January 1966 when Jerry Goldsmith re-recorded virtually all of his score for classic Mainstream album, save final bars of closing song "Stagecoach To Cheyenne" (sung in film by Wayne Newton, on album by The Bill Brown Singers). All previous releases (including actual OST versions) have been compromised in their mixes. Finally, hear all of Goldsmith's incredible detail as it was meant to be heard, from gentle marimba rolls behind solo guitar ("The First Born") to dazzling array of banjos, bass harmonica, percussion ("Escape Route"), from crisp muted trumpet with orchestra ("The Aftermath") and staccato xylophone figures ("A New Passenger And The Reward') to soft harmonica counter-melody above delicate guitar ("All Is Forgiven"). This is Stagecoach at last heard as never before! Spotlight goes to "Family History", one of legendary composer's most gentle, moving cues of all time. Interesting final detail: all previous reissues have odd edit that repeats half of "A New Passenger" for second time, then just stops. Having session master allows us to correct anomaly at last. Gordon Douglas directs Fox 1966 remake of classic 1939 John Ford/John Wayne western with large cast including Ann-Margret, Bing Crosby, Red Buttons, Van Heflin, many others. Flipper cover art designed by Joe Sikoryak offers beautiful reproductions of both original album covers. Informative notes on both productions by John Takis complete exciting package. Malcolm Arnold conducts his score, Alexander Courage conducts Stagecoach. Intrada Special Collection CD available while quantities and interest remain!


THE HEROES OF TELEMARK (Malcolm Arnold)
01. Main Title (2:56)
02. Stupid Fool (1:56)
03. Must Get To England (3:15)
04. German Army Band (1:05)
05. Love Theme ("Anna") (3:58)
06. Fall Astern (4:28)
07. Silent Night (1:54)
08. Listen (1:43)
09. Knute Skiing Away (2:50)
10. Ferry Leaving Harbor (4:22)
11. Destruction Of Plant (4:02)
12. Heroes Of Telemark And End Titles (2:44)
Total Time: 36:23


STAGECOACH (Jerry Goldsmith)
13. Main Title (2:30)
14. The First Born And Escape Route (2:51)
15. Stagecoach Theme (I Will Follow) (2:55)
16. The Aftermath (2:54)
17. A New Passenger And The Reward (3:36)
18. All Is Forgiven (2:44)
19. Family History (4:31)
20. Stagecaoch To Cheyenne (2:38)
21. No More Indians (1:02)
22. Get Out Of Town (Finale) (2:47)
Total Time: 29:06


I though Goldsmith's orchestrator Alexander Courage conducted the rerecording.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2015 - 9:26 PM   
 By:   Roger Feigelson   (Member)

INTRADA Announces:

THE HEROES OF TELEMARK
Composed and Conducted by MALCOLM ARNOLD

STAGECOACH
Composed by JERRY GOLDSMITH
Conducted by ALEXANDER COURAGE

INTRADA Special Collection Vol. 333


Intrada's latest release from the Mainstream catalog features two entire albums that were originally released on vinyl in the mid-60s. Stagecoach makes its first appearance on CD from the first-generation multi-channel album masters and The Heroes of Telemark makes its world premiere release on CD.

Arnold’s main theme for The Heroes of Telemark is characteristically broad and exuberant. Part fanfare and part processional, the theme presses forward with a majestic sweep. It is the score’s keystone, appearing in settings both grandiose and subdued, shifting from major to minor when appropriate, and surfacing in various guises within the pulse-pounding action and suspense sequences. The score was recorded at Cine-Tele Sound Studios in London under Malcolm Arnold’s baton and featured a pinched audio quality. The stereo imaging is minimal and the recording was originally locked down with an abundance of reverb, giving the overall album a very “wet” sound with limited clarity. Intrada located both the original stereo and mono album masters and determined the same audio limitations existed on the mono masters, though without the benefit of any stereo separation at all, so Intrada elected to use the stereo master.

The Heroes are nine Norwegian saboteurs -- Resistance Fighters who stopped the Nazis from gaining a vital ingredient for making the atomic bomb. Their lonely acts of courage succeeded where gliders full of crack British Commandos failed and a massive bombing raid by more than a hundred American Flying Fortresses could not knock out a fortress-like factory hidden ina distant Norwegian valley.

Moving from WW II Europe to the old west, Stagecoach was a remake of the famous John Wayne western and also featured an all-star cast, : Ann-Margret, Red Buttons, Michael Connors, Alex Cord, Bing Crosby, Bob Cummings, Van Heflin, Slim Pickens, Stefanie Powers and Keenan Wynn. Jerry Goldsmith was along for the ride as well, providing a score with more subtlety and depth than the usual genre fare. Goldsmith avoids spending much time on action scenes, which are largely unscored and does not squander his time on a plethora of themes or motifs for the overflowing cast. Instead he delivers a spare and spirited score of unexpected beauty. The featured musical colors are harmonica, mouth harp, guitar and accordion, evoking the intimacy of a lonely campfire while pulling against the scale of the screen and the bumpy ride in store for its occupants.

For the album re-recording session, Jerry Goldsmith newly recorded virtually every sequence from his brief film score save the closing bars of the final song, “Stagecoach To Cheyenne” by Lee Pockriss and Paul Vance, sung in the picture by Wayne Newton but on the album by The Bill Brown Singers. All previous CD releases were drawn either from vinyl or from 2-track mixes that omitted much of the orchestral detail in the score. Even the original LP was prepared from watered-down mixes. With this CD release of the score, every orchestral detail is at last available, newly mixed from the 1? masters made at the recording sessions in January 1966.


INTRADA Special Collection Vol. 333
Retail Price: $19.99

http://store.intrada.com/s.nl/it.A/id.9838/.f

Two sensational '60's Mainstream albums, completely remastered from newly-discovered elements, together on one CD! Anthony Mann directs The Heroes Of Telemark with Kirk Douglas, Richard Harris, Michael Redgrave. Malcolm Arnold writes fanfare-like main theme in bright major key, identifies melody with Norwegian Commandos determined to prevent Nazis from gaining atomic bomb in October 1942. Their mission: destroy the Vermork Norsk Hydro plant in Telemark county of German-occupied Norway. Arnold fills exciting score with flourishes for ski runs, requisite military martial music, aggressive action sequences and soaring romantic material for "Anna". Yet no matter where Arnold goes, vibrant main theme and corresponding major chords stay close by. Dynamic finish is another asset to this vibrant, powerful score! Intrada premiere CD release mastered from recently located first-generation original 1965 album masters. Both mono, stereo versions of actual recording were pinched, aided little by excessive reverb. Stereo version, while genuine, offers minimal imaging. After auditioning both, Intrada chose stereo version, adding to Arnold's vastly under-represented catalog of film scores on CD. Stagecoach re-recording, oft-reissued, finally arrives on CD for first time from newly-discovered actual 1" recording session tapes made in January 1966 when Jerry Goldsmith re-recorded virtually all of his score for classic Mainstream album, save final bars of closing song "Stagecoach To Cheyenne" (sung in film by Wayne Newton, on album by The Bill Brown Singers). All previous releases (including actual OST versions) have been compromised in their mixes. Finally, hear all of Goldsmith's incredible detail as it was meant to be heard, from gentle marimba rolls behind solo guitar ("The First Born") to dazzling array of banjos, bass harmonica, percussion ("Escape Route"), from crisp muted trumpet with orchestra ("The Aftermath") and staccato xylophone figures ("A New Passenger And The Reward') to soft harmonica counter-melody above delicate guitar ("All Is Forgiven"). This is Stagecoach at last heard as never before! Spotlight goes to "Family History", one of legendary composer's most gentle, moving cues of all time. Interesting final detail: all previous reissues have odd edit that repeats half of "A New Passenger" for second time, then just stops. Having session master allows us to correct anomaly at last. Gordon Douglas directs Fox 1966 remake of classic 1939 John Ford/John Wayne western with large cast including Ann-Margret, Bing Crosby, Red Buttons, Van Heflin, many others. Flipper cover art designed by Joe Sikoryak offers beautiful reproductions of both original album covers. Informative notes on both productions by John Takis complete exciting package. Malcolm Arnold conducts his score, Alexander Courage conducts Stagecoach. Intrada Special Collection CD available while quantities and interest remain!


THE HEROES OF TELEMARK (Malcolm Arnold)
01. Main Title (2:56)
02. Stupid Fool (1:56)
03. Must Get To England (3:15)
04. German Army Band (1:05)
05. Love Theme ("Anna") (3:58)
06. Fall Astern (4:28)
07. Silent Night (1:54)
08. Listen (1:43)
09. Knute Skiing Away (2:50)
10. Ferry Leaving Harbor (4:22)
11. Destruction Of Plant (4:02)
12. Heroes Of Telemark And End Titles (2:44)
Total Time: 36:23


STAGECOACH (Jerry Goldsmith)
13. Main Title (2:30)
14. The First Born And Escape Route (2:51)
15. Stagecoach Theme (I Will Follow) (2:55)
16. The Aftermath (2:54)
17. A New Passenger And The Reward (3:36)
18. All Is Forgiven (2:44)
19. Family History (4:31)
20. Stagecaoch To Cheyenne (2:38)
21. No More Indians (1:02)
22. Get Out Of Town (Finale) (2:47)
Total Time: 29:06


I though Goldsmith's orchestrator Alexander Courage conducted the rerecording.


Yes, it says that at the top of the post you quoted.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2015 - 10:35 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)


I thought Goldsmith's orchestrator Alexander Courage conducted the rerecording.
-----------------
Yes, it says that at the top of the post you quoted.



It's the phrases "Jerry Goldsmith newly recorded virtually every sequence" and "Jerry Goldsmith re-recorded virtually all of his score" that are causing the confusion. Was Goldsmith in the studio while Courage was conducting?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2015 - 11:11 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

No matter which release of the re-recorded STAGECOACH I listen to, I always hear some low-level rumbling during the first 45 seconds of the Main Title, as if someone was intermittently breathing into a microphone. When I first heard it on the LP, I thought it might be a pressing issue, but hearing it now again on this release, it's definitely an anomaly in the master recording.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2015 - 11:33 PM   
 By:   Roger Feigelson   (Member)


I thought Goldsmith's orchestrator Alexander Courage conducted the rerecording.
-----------------
Yes, it says that at the top of the post you quoted.



It's the phrases "Jerry Goldsmith newly recorded virtually every sequence" and "Jerry Goldsmith re-recorded virtually all of his score" that are causing the confusion. Was Goldsmith in the studio while Courage was conducting?


Not sure why that would cause confusion. Goldsmith produced the recording and of course he was there calling the shots. Intrada rerecorded Jason and the Argonauts but that doesn't mean "Intrada" conducted it.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2015 - 11:44 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

Not sure why that would cause confusion. Goldsmith produced the recording and of course he was there calling the shots. .


All new information to me. The original LP had no producer credit, and what you just stated doesn't appear in any of the publicity blurbs.

 
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