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 Posted:   Dec 13, 2017 - 2:59 AM   
 By:   davefg   (Member)


Do you currently have a cost effective European distributor we can order directly from instead?


None. They used to have Colosseum Schallplatten, but they went out of business in 2015. What is this processing charge that you were taking about?

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 13, 2017 - 3:00 AM   
 By:   12-Mile Reef   (Member)


They just suddenly changed, no info about it, started suddenly they full prices listed policy and caused another massive expensive and major head-ache to all their EU customers.


I'm not sure if they did inform customers of the changes, however as I've said before the move towards releasing box-sets along with their shipping practices would indicate that they are focusing on the U.S. market rather than the world outside of the States.


Undoubtedly... I hate to jump on the varese hate bandwagon, I’ve bought and enjoyed hundreds if not more of their cds over the years, but the overall service has dropped so far below all the other labels recently it’s hard not to grumble. I’m well aware this is not a conscious thing and I understand how hard everyone works there so I’m very much hoping this is only a temporary blip for such a great label.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 13, 2017 - 3:05 AM   
 By:   12-Mile Reef   (Member)


Do you currently have a cost effective European distributor we can order directly from instead?


None. They used to have Colosseum Schallplatten, but they went out of business in 2015. What is this processing charge that you were taking about?


In the UK Royal Mail add a £7 or £8 processing fee (cant remember the exact figure) on top of any customs charges, no matter how small! I ordered from Colosseum a few times many years ago but it was always much more expensive than ordering direct from Varese in the States. Naxos is a huge global label, is there no way they can ship orders direct from Europe? I love getting CDs but if it does become possible for the labels to acquire download rights in the future it seems the only way to keep this viable for international buyers.

 
 Posted:   Dec 13, 2017 - 3:11 AM   
 By:   davefg   (Member)



Undoubtedly... I hate to jump on the varese hate bandwagon, I’ve bought and enjoyed hundreds if not more of their cds over the years, but the overall service has dropped so far below all the other labels recently it’s hard not to grumble. I’m well aware this is not a conscious thing and I understand how hard everyone works there so I’m very much hoping this is only a temporary blip for such a great label.


Doubt it. They were bought by Cutting Edge in 2013 and my guess is that Varese's new owners will face stiff penalties for not meeting repayments for the $100 million loan from Wood Creek Capital Management to purchase Varese and other film music companies. So Cutting Edge are looking at ways to cut costs across their divisions and we are now seeing the affects of such measures in Varese.

The last time that I bulk ordered from Varese was during their 30% off sale. The 30% off worked out as free shipping for me. As I rarely buy in bulk anymore, I mange to get the rare big order through without a problem.

Your suggesting regarding Naxos is definitely worth looking into. Varese are you listening?

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 13, 2017 - 4:42 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

"The last time that I bulk ordered from Varese was during their 30% off sale. The 30% off worked out as free shipping for me. As I rarely buy in bulk anymore, I mange to get the rare big order through without a problem"
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Even a future % sale for Europeans would be a big NO-NO now, if they (Naxos) are declaring the full value of each and every CD.
There would be NO SAVINGS, as it wouldn't even BE free shipping, cos the customs charges would kill you.

 
 Posted:   Dec 13, 2017 - 5:17 AM   
 By:   Lokutus   (Member)

Sure... it would be very good for all of us here... saving 10-15% on a CD and then having to pay additional 30-40% in customs charges.

Sticking to Intrada from now on.

 
 Posted:   Dec 13, 2017 - 5:33 AM   
 By:   davefg   (Member)


Even a future % sale for Europeans would be a big NO-NO now, if they (Naxos) are declaring the full value of each and every CD.
There would be NO SAVINGS, as it wouldn't even BE free shipping, cos the customs charges would kill you.

Sure... it would be very good for all of us here... saving 10-15% on a CD and then having to pay additional 30-40% in customs charges.

Sticking to Intrada from now on.


You are both right. I won't be ordering from Varese unless in the unlikely event that Naxos are no longer shipping CDs.

Do Intrada stock many Varese titles though? There's only one European option to buy Varese titles, from CSC, however he faces that same problems, shipping costs and the Taxman-making CDs pretty expensive, as we do. So there's no point to buy there. Does Varese care about its international customers?

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 13, 2017 - 5:45 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Intrada AND MovieMusic stock most of, if not all, the major soundtrack labels stuff, so they appear to be THE FUTURE for us Euro Folk.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 13, 2017 - 6:51 AM   
 By:   12-Mile Reef   (Member)

I'm really not trying to pile on Varese, as stated above I'm incredibly grateful for all of the amazing releases I've been buying from them for over 20 years, so Peter please do take this as honest feedback and pass it on if you can.

Varese titles are available from other retailers but are $5 more expensive as they don't supply them wholesale to Movie Music, Intrada etc. I believe they're the only label to do this. Perhaps they could allow third parties to sell them for the same rate to help us out a bit on this? That said the $5 surcharge is still a lot less than the charges we would incur ordering directly from Varese.

This never really bothered me in the past as in general I do like to order straight from the label if possible to support them directly. That said I do sometimes order some La La Land, Kritzerland, MMM etc as part of an Intrada order to save on shipping. Unfortunately the bottom line is this will all cut down massively on the Varese titles I order, probably limited only to those I deem as absolutely essential.

 
 Posted:   Dec 13, 2017 - 7:03 AM   
 By:   litefoot   (Member)

Intrada AND MovieMusic stock most of, if not all, the major soundtrack labels stuff, so they appear to be THE FUTURE for us Euro Folk.

Even Intrada I now struggle with because they charge a crazy 23 dollars for a single two CD set to be shipped to the UK.

What I do instead is have an annual, VERY cheap holiday to the US and have my CDs delivered to the hotel!

This does mean I miss out on the titles that sell out quickly, but you can't have everything.

 
 Posted:   Dec 13, 2017 - 7:04 AM   
 By:   ryanpaquet   (Member)

All is well in Canada btw.

I ordered the little box of horrors once the price dropped and it arrived in immaculate shape and no fees via FedEx. Also ordered 3 club releases on Black Friday and again it was fee free and delivered fast.

Much love Varese.

 
 Posted:   Dec 13, 2017 - 7:07 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)



Undoubtedly... I hate to jump on the varese hate bandwagon, I’ve bought and enjoyed hundreds if not more of their cds over the years, but the overall service has dropped so far below all the other labels recently it’s hard not to grumble. I’m well aware this is not a conscious thing and I understand how hard everyone works there so I’m very much hoping this is only a temporary blip for such a great label.


Doubt it. They were bought by Cutting Edge in 2013 and my guess is that Varese's new owners will face stiff penalties for not meeting repayments for the $100 million loan from Wood Creek Capital Management to purchase Varese and other film music companies. So Cutting Edge are looking at ways to cut costs across their divisions and we are now seeing the affects of such measures in Varese.

The last time that I bulk ordered from Varese was during their 30% off sale. The 30% off worked out as free shipping for me. As I rarely buy in bulk anymore, I mange to get the rare big order through without a problem.

Your suggesting regarding Naxos is definitely worth looking into. Varese are you listening?


And a certain member asked me in another Varese thread, "Whats wrong with a company saving money?" I rest my case!

 
 Posted:   Dec 13, 2017 - 7:10 AM   
 By:   johnjohnson   (Member)


Do you currently have a cost effective European distributor we can order directly from instead?


None. They used to have Colosseum Schallplatten, but they went out of business in 2015. What is this processing charge that you were taking about?


Colosseum Schallplatten still exists, they just don't sell Varese product.

http://www.colosseum.de/

 
 Posted:   Dec 13, 2017 - 7:31 AM   
 By:   litefoot   (Member)

Here's a list of EU websites that sell products from Intrada, LLL, Kritzerland and Varese. Prices vary.

https://www.musicbox-records.com/en/ (France)
http://www.elitesoundtracks.com/ (UK)
https://backtrackrye.com/ (UK)
http://www.soundtrackcorner.de/index.htm (Germany) Offering free worldwide shipping on purchases of 40 euros atm.
http://www.tarantula-records.com/shop/index.php (Germany)
http://www.beatrecords.it/ (Italy)
http://www.intermezzomedia.com/ (Italy)
http://www.rosebudbandasonora.com/catalog/ (Spain)

Obviously these stores have high markups for US stock, but you're far less likely to be hit by customs charges. Some of these stores operate on ebay and Amazon Marketplace too so it's worth having a look.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?merchant=A2JD5FBMBGAYR0&fallThrough=1
This is SAE's Amazon UK store. Titles are old ones but UK customers only pay £1.26 postage despite shipping from the US.

 
 Posted:   Dec 13, 2017 - 7:31 AM   
 By:   Doug Raynes   (Member)


Do you currently have a cost effective European distributor we can order directly from instead?


None. They used to have Colosseum Schallplatten, but they went out of business in 2015. What is this processing charge that you were taking about?


Colosseum Schallplatten still exists, they just don't sell Varese product.

http://www.colosseum.de/


Apart from the deal Varese used to have with Colosseum, going further back to the LP days, I believe Varese had some sort of distribution arrangement with Dress Circle in the UK. These European agreements certainly reduced the cost substantially for those of us importing from the US.

In those days however, records sold in vastly more substantial quantities than today. Any distribution arrangement now, with most CDs selling just 1000 copies, is hardly going to be profitable for anyone.

Incidentally, Varese shouldn't be castigated for sticking to legalities and rules concerning postal export procedures. What puzzles me is how other labels haven't been rumbled smile

 
 Posted:   Dec 13, 2017 - 8:54 AM   
 By:   jacky   (Member)

jacky, the box that the Haunting was in, was it big enough to hold a little box of horrors set? Or was the box/package you received only big enough for 1 maybe 2 CD's?

Thanks


HI, I still haven't received it, so I cannot tell you right now. This delay could mean that there will be an extra bill to the package for duties.

 
 Posted:   Dec 13, 2017 - 9:16 AM   
 By:   davefg   (Member)

Another possible solution would be for Varese to sell through Amazon.co.uk or SAE to sell Varese titles in their Amazon store. Varese seem to have quite a lot of club titles available for months and even years, which if I am not mistaken was not the case previously?! If they want to get a return on their investment, selling through Amazon.co.uk would certainly help in reducing their stock.

 
 Posted:   Dec 22, 2017 - 2:28 AM   
 By:   jacky   (Member)

jacky, the box that the Haunting was in, was it big enough to hold a little box of horrors set? Or was the box/package you received only big enough for 1 maybe 2 CD's?

Thanks


It is a small envelop wich contain only a small part of my order and just one cd has reached me the day before yesterday, and I was afraid of this but there was also an extra christmas bonus bill on it of almost 30 dollars! I have discovered that they have declared an amount containing the value of the Horrorboxset too, so somebody obviously placed an incorrect invoice on the package(!) I have refused the package with the high bill and returned the package back to you, in spite of how bad I want this Haunting cd and playing it on Christmas days! This is a real mess!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 22, 2017 - 5:49 AM   
 By:   Montana Dave   (Member)

Jacky, I've been following your posts on this absolutely terrible transaction of yours. Through no fault of yours, this has ended terribly for you, and I'm sorry. This exemplifies HORRIBLE CUSTOMER SERVICE from Varese, they should have 'eaten' their loss, apologized, and however and by whatever means necessary, 'made this right for you', which they did not. I personally had a problem at Intrada this year with a 'big box set' of something. Though no fault of mine and definitely, NO fault of theirs, they fixed the problem very quickly. I was extremely thankful to them for helping me out, and their customer service was and remains beyond magnificent! Varese isn't even in the same universe of customer care.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 22, 2017 - 6:57 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

I may still buy some of their product in the future, but with their current packaging issues and this Naxos sh!t, I WON'T be buying ANYTHING DIRECT from them EVER AGAIN.

And you're right Dave, this whole sorry episode (plus the Black Friday going on sale thing, while the 'loyal' early birds were still waiting for their stuff) reflects REALLY BADLY on the company.

 
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