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 Posted:   Dec 18, 2017 - 3:17 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Was the manuscript LATE DATE fully notated?
Or, was there jazz style notation for part of it, i.e. chord changes?
bruce


No scores exist....Leigh arranged everything "by ear" but then he is a Goldsmith expert. So modern scores and parts were completely notated


Amazing! !####!!!!!

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 6, 2018 - 4:59 PM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

After Oh-Deeing on the twelve (count 'em, TWELVE) CDs I got from Santa and the Oriental Majesties, I felt the need to de-tox by watching the next in line from the upcoming Tadlow Bozza K Jerry G release - "The Bride Who Died Twice".

Solidly good episode, with a fine line of irony between the natural and the supernatural. Some lovely touches throughout, almost poetic (the doves flying etc). Directed by Ida Lupino. Murky tale of true love thwarted in a dodgy political state somewhere south of the border (of the US of A), with more than a hint of morbid Cormanesque Poe-esqe poetry, all is-she-dead-or-isn't-she WTF-ery. I loved it.

And what an absolutely GREEEEAAAT score by Jerry Goldsmith. I've insisted for forty years that JG's best period was from '64 to '79. I keep pushing that first date back nowadays. He was writing incredibly good stuff from the very start. "The Bride Who Died Twice" is as good as any subsequent music he did. We're south of the border here, and as James Fitz has already pointed out, there's more than a hint of HOUR OF THE GUN. Not only that I'd say. Every borderline (geddit?) western from RIO LOBO through 100 RIFLES and anything with a guitar in it. Naturally, it's not as expansive as the big-screen scores, but it's just as brilliant and again one of its strong points might be in its economy of means. I'd rate this score as "brilliant". I still find it hard to believe that this guy Goldsmith was firing on all cylinders (creatively, intellectually) for so long.

I can't remember what I have to watch next. Maybe I'll have a rest and go back to my Xmas prezzies.

Back on track, I think that this second volume is going to be even better than the first, based on the four out of six episodes/ scores I've watched/ heard.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2018 - 5:43 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

All of you BookFace addicts (I'm not one - someone told me about this) will have seen the latest JamesFitz clips which are "up" (as they say in modern parlance) from "Late Date". Great little rehearsal of trying to get the prepared piano to sound right, plus a few other goodies. There's also a little violin piece from "Terror in Teakwood" (an episode I have yet to see), with music not by JG (and not by Mort Stevens either, Mr Audio!). Lucie does look nice when playing the violin. So my friend said. I've never looked at Bookface. Go there now. I guarantee you that from what I saw and heard right now, this new CD will be top-ho!

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2018 - 6:25 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Any nervous angular longhair stuff on here? I'm thinking stuff like "City of Fear" and Jerry's "Twilight Zone" jazz themes, comprising the best and important compositions of Jerry's career.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2018 - 10:42 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)



Goldsmith's score is a complete stand-out. With so many scenes without dialogue, the music very often takes centre stage, and it's terrific. Rather different from his other scores for the series, this is filled with low-end staccato piano (and also what sounds like prepared piano) and a myriad of percussion devices, from bongos (?) to strange clacking sounds. Immensely great. It reminded me a bit of some parts of CITY OF FEAR, but it also seemed to look ahead to some of the action/ suspense sequences from THE SATAN BUG.



Onya, the above is the middle section from my own little "review" of the episode "Late Date", which I posted here on December 17. I think you'd like it, but as far as I know it's the only one in that vein, so for a full CD it's only one out of six scores.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2018 - 10:45 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

Fish Man on youtube's offering of LATE DATE:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4_xF6QQ2D8



To Onya, from Zooba and Fish Man.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2018 - 10:56 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4_xF6QQ2D8

To Onya, from Zooba and Fish Man.


Oh yeah, Baby, that is indeed the sound! Let's see how today's kids can pull this one off.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2018 - 11:46 AM   
 By:   Tadlow   (Member)



Goldsmith's score is a complete stand-out. With so many scenes without dialogue, the music very often takes centre stage, and it's terrific. Rather different from his other scores for the series, this is filled with low-end staccato piano (and also what sounds like prepared piano) and a myriad of percussion devices, from bongos (?) to strange clacking sounds. Immensely great. It reminded me a bit of some parts of CITY OF FEAR, but it also seemed to look ahead to some of the action/ suspense sequences from THE SATAN BUG.



Onya, the above is the middle section from my own little "review" of the episode "Late Date", which I posted here on December 17. I think you'd like it, but as far as I know it's the only one in that vein, so for a full CD it's only one out of six scores.


The bongos are actually roto toms....the clacking sound is a vibraslap...

 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2018 - 12:19 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

The Tadlow video of the "Late Date" recording is very exciting!

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2018 - 1:43 PM   
 By:   John Mullin   (Member)

"In the can"? I'm not sure how good the acoustics on this thing are going to be if they recorded it in a bathroom, guys.

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2018 - 8:29 AM   
 By:   davefg   (Member)

No love for what Morton Stevens contributed to this series?

Unreal:-(


Don’t think of these as “Thriller” releases. They are Jerry Goldsmith releases. These just happen to be from “Thriller.”


Sadly, no Morton Steven love here.

I understand why, since Mr. Goldsmith will sell CDS, where Mr. Stevens just won't.

Such is life.

Ford A. Thaxton


Since Goldsmith sells and sells well and Kickstarter campaign was a success, will you reconsider your decision James to drop your plans to re-record Legend?

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2018 - 11:35 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Well, a put up or shut up moment could be a crowdfunding for a disc of re-recorded Stevens efforts.

Though I'm holding out for the original recordings.

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2018 - 12:24 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Since Goldsmith sells and sells well and Kickstarter campaign was a success, will you reconsider your decision James to drop your plans to re-record Legend?

James never had plans to re-record Legend, so how could he drop them? He's always said he considers the Silva expansion (which he helped produce) to be sufficient and hasn't shown any interest in the other missing cues. I doubt he's going to go for a Kickstarter on this...even Black Patch/Face of a Fugitive has a better chance. smile

That said, if anyone ever does produce a new complete recording of Legend (especially if they find acoustic solutions for some of the more unpleasant synths) I will definitely buy it. Same goes for Under Fire.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2018 - 4:07 PM   
 By:   Tadlow   (Member)

No love for what Morton Stevens contributed to this series?

Unreal:-(


Don’t think of these as “Thriller” releases. They are Jerry Goldsmith releases. These just happen to be from “Thriller.”


Sadly, no Morton Steven love here.

I understand why, since Mr. Goldsmith will sell CDS, where Mr. Stevens just won't.

Such is life.

Ford A. Thaxton


Since Goldsmith sells and sells well and Kickstarter campaign was a success, will you reconsider your decision James to drop your plans to re-record Legend?


Goldsmith actually does NOT sell that well! Certainly not enough to warrant a pointless new recording of one of his own finest recordings. I would never be able to get anywhere near the genius of the original....and on average most Goldsmith CDS sell less than 3000 units....so an awful long way short of even partly covering the enormous recording costs! I do the Thriller albums because one of the highest costs in anty new recording, the preparation of brand new scores and Parts is done for the love of the project by Leigh Phillips. And because of the chamber orchestra line-ups the recordings costs are low....unlike what Legend might be with 80 piece orchestra, 50 voice choir, solo singers, banks of synths! I certainly would never attempt to do Legend....

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2018 - 4:10 PM   
 By:   Tadlow   (Member)

No love for what Morton Stevens contributed to this series?

Unreal:-(


Don’t think of these as “Thriller” releases. They are Jerry Goldsmith releases. These just happen to be from “Thriller.”


Sadly, no Morton Steven love here.

I understand why, since Mr. Goldsmith will sell CDS, where Mr. Stevens just won't.

Such is life.

Ford A. Thaxton


Since Goldsmith sells and sells well and Kickstarter campaign was a success, will you reconsider your decision James to drop your plans to re-record Legend?


Goldsmith actually does NOT sell that well! Certainly not enough to warrant a pointless new recording of one of his own finest recordings. I would never be able to get anywhere near the genius of the original....and on average most Goldsmith CDS sell less than 3000 units....so an awful long way short of even partly covering the enormous recording costs! I do the Thriller albums because one of the highest costs in any new recording, the preparation of brand new scores and Parts is done for the love of the project by Leigh Phillips. And because of the chamber orchestra line-ups the recordings costs are low....unlike what Legend might be with 80 piece orchestra, 50 voice choir, solo singers, banks of synths! I certainly would never attempt to do Legend....

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2018 - 5:46 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Goldsmith actually does NOT sell that well!

I guess it's all relative when it comes to this sort of thing. I'm sure Goldsmith sells a lot better than Morton Stevens. Are you saying he sells less well than Rozsa or Tiomkin? Or is the final point that almost nobody sells well enough to justify the great expense of new recordings?

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2018 - 6:00 PM   
 By:   JamesFitz   (Member)

Goldsmith actually does NOT sell that well!

I guess it's all relative when it comes to this sort of thing. I'm sure Goldsmith sells a lot better than Morton Stevens. Are you saying he sells less well than Rozsa or Tiomkin? Or is the final point that almost nobody sells well enough to justify the great expense of new recordings?

Yavar


I am saying that compared to when I started Silva Screen Records 30 years ago...and Tadlow Music 15 years ago...CD sales are now about 40% of what they were 10 years ago! And of course recording costs over that 10 year period have increased quote a lot. That is why very few labels now want to be involved in anything to do with such a small market as Classic Film Scores ! And yes, there are downloads and streaming...but revenue from this is nothing short of pathetic for small labels like mine ....and not worth the paper the royalty statements are printed on!!! Yes Goldsmith sells in comparison to other film composers quite well ...but nowhere near enough to cover costs.

The only way these recordings can sometime make a wee bit of dosh is by licensing for trailers, commercials etc... this is something I started at Silva and the only reason why some labels survive because they have "master rights". As regards money earners, the best Tadlow one is The Symphonic Jean Michel Jarre...because every year one of the tracks is licensed out to the French International Ruby Team for their use...

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2018 - 9:34 PM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)

Goldsmith actually does NOT sell that well!

I guess it's all relative when it comes to this sort of thing. I'm sure Goldsmith sells a lot better than Morton Stevens. Are you saying he sells less well than Rozsa or Tiomkin? Or is the final point that almost nobody sells well enough to justify the great expense of new recordings?

Yavar


I am saying that compared to when I started Silva Screen Records 30 years ago...and Tadlow Music 15 years ago...CD sales are now about 40% of what they were 10 years ago! And of course recording costs over that 10 year period have increased quote a lot. That is why very few labels now want to be involved in anything to do with such a small market as Classic Film Scores ! And yes, there are downloads and streaming...but revenue from this is nothing short of pathetic for small labels like mine ....and not worth the paper the royalty statements are printed on!!! Yes Goldsmith sells in comparison to other film composers quite well ...but nowhere near enough to cover costs.

The only way these recordings can sometime make a wee bit of dosh is by licensing for trailers, commercials etc... this is something I started at Silva and the only reason why some labels survive because they have "master rights". As regards money earners, the best Tadlow one is The Symphonic Jean Michel Jarre...because every year one of the tracks is licensed out to the French International Ruby Team for their use...




Very interesting info James. I first started buying the Silva records and CDs at the beginning 30 years ago. Thanks for hanging in there James, some of us really appreciate all of your efforts. smile

 
 Posted:   Jan 12, 2018 - 3:32 AM   
 By:   davefg   (Member)

Since Goldsmith sells and sells well and Kickstarter campaign was a success, will you reconsider your decision James to drop your plans to re-record Legend?

James never had plans to re-record Legend, so how could he drop them? He's always said he considers the Silva expansion (which he helped produce) to be sufficient and hasn't shown any interest in the other missing cues. I doubt he's going to go for a Kickstarter on this...even Black Patch/Face of a Fugitive has a better chance. smile

That said, if anyone ever does produce a new complete recording of Legend (especially if they find acoustic solutions for some of the more unpleasant synths) I will definitely buy it. Same goes for Under Fire.

Yavar


Sorry I meant Lionheart. According to a poster here James did have plans to rerecord it. However it is all academic now, as James has pointed out that Goldsmith does not sell that well.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 12, 2018 - 4:14 AM   
 By:   JamesFitz   (Member)

Since Goldsmith sells and sells well and Kickstarter campaign was a success, will you reconsider your decision James to drop your plans to re-record Legend?

James never had plans to re-record Legend, so how could he drop them? He's always said he considers the Silva expansion (which he helped produce) to be sufficient and hasn't shown any interest in the other missing cues. I doubt he's going to go for a Kickstarter on this...even Black Patch/Face of a Fugitive has a better chance. smile

That said, if anyone ever does produce a new complete recording of Legend (especially if they find acoustic solutions for some of the more unpleasant synths) I will definitely buy it. Same goes for Under Fire.

Yavar


Sorry I meant Lionheart. According to a poster here James did have plans to rerecord it. However it is all academic now, as James has pointed out that Goldsmith does not sell that well.


I never had any plans to do a new recording of LIONHEART. But if someone wants to give me $80,000 I will !

 
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