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 Posted:   Apr 4, 2018 - 2:38 PM   
 By:   foxmorty   (Member)

Easily the most disappointing scoring news of the year. JNH says in his concert program they will work together again so i had my hopes up. I can only conclude it's Blumhouse's tight purse strings. But if JNH really wanted to do it then he'd cut his fees. So I don't know.

But this is the pits. JNH rarely failed to not just deliver good but knockout scores for all of Shamalayan's movies. Blarg.

 
 Posted:   Apr 4, 2018 - 2:51 PM   
 By:   davefg   (Member)



I have it on good authority from a source who's worked with JNH before that the situation on AE is indeed the reason why they won't likely be working together anytime soon.


And what was this situation on AE?

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 4, 2018 - 2:51 PM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)

Easily the most disappointing scoring news of the year. JNH says in his concert program they will work together again so i had my hopes up. I can only conclude it's Blumhouse's tight purse strings. But if JNH really wanted to do it then he'd cut his fees. So I don't know.

But this is the pits. JNH rarely failed to not just deliver good but knockout scores for all of Shamalayan's movies. Blarg.


Hey, I could be wrong. What I was told in 2015 could no longer hold sway and they could have patched things up together. Only the two of them truly know!

However, Blumhouse is cheap as hell and keeps those budgets as threadbare as possible. The music budgets are probably especially laughable. I would be absolutely floored if any score to ever come out of a film produced by that single were of any quality whatsoever, and even more surprised if it actually had a music budget to afford JNH - nevermind an orchestral score!

JNH almost exclusively does "prestige" projects these days and probably doesn't need or want to lower himself to the standard of a Blumhouse-quality film...

As to the situation on AE, my "source" said that Shyamalan originally insisted the entire score be written for solo piano - nothing more. JHN protested lightly, Shyamalan relented, JNH went ahead and wrote what was basically an action/suspense score for unaccompanied piano - and as he predicted/warned, that approach did not work at all for this kind of film. So the score we do hear is a rushed last-minute extrapolation of that original piano score, hobbled together with much frustration in the eleventh hour by JNH & his team of orchestrators.

So I'm told!

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 4, 2018 - 3:06 PM   
 By:   John Mullin   (Member)

Sure, JNH wrote some great music for those movies... but they were terrible movies!

 
 Posted:   Apr 4, 2018 - 3:17 PM   
 By:   davefg   (Member)


As to the situation on AE, my "source" said that Shyamalan originally insisted the entire score be written for solo piano - nothing more. JHN protested lightly, Shyamalan relented, JNH went ahead and wrote what was basically an action/suspense score for unaccompanied piano - and as he predicted/warned, that approach did not work at all for this kind of film. So the score we do hear is a rushed last-minute extrapolation of that original piano score, hobbled together with much frustration in the eleventh hour by JNH & his team of orchestrators.

So I'm told!


Thanks for the info!

 
 Posted:   Apr 4, 2018 - 3:24 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Yeah, I'm not on the Shyamalan-hate bandwagon, sorry.

I really liked Sixth Sense (not sure about rewatch value),
LOVED Unbreakable,
found Signs engrossing and filmically brilliant despite some silly plot elements regarding water,
LOVED The Village (don't comprehend the hate towards it at all, honestly...the twist worked brilliantly for me),
and found Lady in the Water so completely nonsensical that Shyamalan's talents as a director were not enough to save his apparent inability to write a coherent story/script for this film. big grin

Didn't ever bother seeing Last Airbender, and from what I've heard of the film, even from Shyamalan fans, I'm not missing much but should check out the animated TV series it's based on. smile

And now for my shocking confession...I (and my wife) actually really loved the much-derided The Happening upon seeing it in theater. I know it was endlessly mocked, but I honestly thought it was clear enough that it was a dark comedy (with some terribly disturbing elements and clearly genuine environmental messaging, of course) and I'm kinda mystified that most people don't seem to realize Shyamalan was in on the joke. I mean, stuff with people making fun of Mark Wahlberg talking to the plants...clearly people didn't get that scene was supposed to be funny in the first place??

Also, the score for that was absolutely brilliant and one of my favorites of the entire collaboration. Amazing cello writing.

I never saw their final collaboration, After Earth, because honestly that score was pretty underwhelming and I have little love of Will Smith (beyond MiB) or especially his son Jaden...

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Apr 4, 2018 - 9:51 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

However, Blumhouse is cheap as hell and keeps those budgets as threadbare as possible. The music budgets are probably especially laughable.

Yes, I hadn't seen that this was Blumhouse. Their entire modus operandi (and it's been enormously profitable for them) is to produce movies for just a few million dollars (never above $10 million, and rarely approaching that). For comparison, a movie like "Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them" cost $180 million. Not that that went to Howard, of course, but he was certainly compensated well above what Blumhouse would be willing to pay.

And since Shyamalan won't be given the reigns of a big budget anymore, he and Howard may simply not be destined to work together anytime soon.

 
 Posted:   Apr 4, 2018 - 9:58 PM   
 By:   Khan   (Member)

However, Blumhouse is cheap as hell and keeps those budgets as threadbare as possible. The music budgets are probably especially laughable.

Yes, I hadn't seen that this was Blumhouse. Their entire modus operandi (and it's been enormously profitable for them) is to produce movies for just a few million dollars (never above $10 million, and rarely approaching that). For comparison, a movie like "Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them" cost $180 million. Not that that went to Howard, of course, but he was certainly compensated well above what Blumhouse would be willing to pay.

And since Shyamalan won't be given the reigns of a big budget anymore, he and Howard may simply not be destined to work together anytime soon.


I'm sure that being reigned in, budget wise, has helped with the quality - The Visit and Split are both on the positive side on Rotten Tomatoes, and both are very profitable (not that profit is always a sign of quality).

 
 Posted:   Apr 5, 2018 - 8:32 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Take it for what it's worth, but a poster at FilmMusicReporter.com said:

I have heard it from JNH himself, at a composer talk, that he is working on Glass. He said it wont be as full composer, but that he will be doing something on the film.


IF true, I would assume J.N.H. is handling the Unbreakable stuff and the other guy is handling the Split villain stuff.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 5, 2018 - 10:55 AM   
 By:   jwb   (Member)

Honestly, JNH hasn't been doing his greatest work for a while now. But I have no doubt his theme from Unbreakable will make an appearance.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 5, 2018 - 12:32 PM   
 By:   nerfTractor   (Member)

Wow, this is indeed disappointing, especially if the "source" is correct about JNH and Shyamalan choosing not to work together longer term. As Yavar was saying, I nearly always admire what JNH brings to the table, regardless of the quality of the individual film, which I think we can agree has varied widely. But I had gotten used to thinking "Well, at least we'll get a dandy new Newton Howard score out of it." I hope they work it out (if there was actually a rift) or that Shyamalan finds a few shekels in future budgets to pay for his finest collaborator to rejoin the team.

 
 Posted:   Apr 5, 2018 - 1:42 PM   
 By:   Coco314   (Member)

No J.N.H. for this.
No Silvestri for the new Predator film.

Anything else? Geez.


well, No Joe Kraemer for the new Mission: Impossible film...

 
 Posted:   Apr 5, 2018 - 1:54 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

No J.N.H. for this.
No Silvestri for the new Predator film.

Anything else? Geez.


well, No Joe Kraemer for the new Mission: Impossible film...


Not quite the same though.
J.N.J. has a history of working with Shyamalan.
Silvestri scored both of the Predator films.

Meanwhile the M: I films have a history of composer switching.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 5, 2018 - 2:03 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Let me be the voice of dissent here, as usual.

I absolutely ADORE both THE VISIT and SPLIT. Shyamalan has really found himself again in this new indie landscape. Both films feature on my top 10 in the respective years.

I also thought the score to SPLIT was very interesting and gripping, especially in context of the movie. In fact, one of my favourites in the horror genre last year. I'm relieved that Shyamalan is keeping this semi-indie aspect also into the next one, including the composer. I'm sure JNH would have delivered (as he's almost always done for Shya), but the decision to NOT use a big-time Hollywood composer is a 'punky' move that I can really appreciate.

 
 Posted:   Apr 5, 2018 - 2:15 PM   
 By:   Coco314   (Member)

No J.N.H. for this.
No Silvestri for the new Predator film.

Anything else? Geez.


well, No Joe Kraemer for the new Mission: Impossible film...


Not quite the same though.
J.N.J. has a history of working with Shyamalan.
Silvestri scored both of the Predator films.

Meanwhile the M: I films have a history of composer switching.


It's true, but Fallout's director, Christopher McQuarrie, had worked with Kraemer on all his movies (including Rogue Nation and Jack Reacher, starring Cruise). And Giacchino did score two consecutive M:I films.

 
 Posted:   Apr 5, 2018 - 2:40 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)


Not quite the same though.
J.N.J. has a history of working with Shyamalan.
Silvestri scored both of the Predator films.

Meanwhile the M: I films have a history of composer switching.


If anything it's actually Silvestri that's the odd one out, having only scored the first two Predators but not, um...Predators...or the AvP films either if you count them. It isn't as if the Predator "franchise" doesn't also have "a history of composer switching" just because Silvestri scored two.

On the other hand, as pointed out, Joe Kraemer has scored not only the previous M:I film but also every Christopher McQuarrie movie since the year 2000. Now McQuarrie hasn't been as prolific a director as Shyamalan, granted.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Apr 5, 2018 - 2:46 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Silvestri[/bn] score the original two films, which is two out of three if you count that crappy ones from a few years ago.

AvP is a spin-off combo film and not strictly a Predator film.

No odd man out here.

 
 Posted:   Apr 5, 2018 - 2:58 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Scoring two films, to me, does not *quite* a trend make. (And he didn't score the latest one, even if you don't count the AvP films.) If it did, you wouldn't have said what you did about the M:I series because as was pointed out already, Michael Giacchino scored the exact same number of M:I films as Silvestri scored Predator films.

On the other hand, Kraemer scored *three* McQuarrie films -- all of them, besides -- over a 15 year period.

But I'm bored with this now...

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 5, 2018 - 3:57 PM   
 By:   Simon Underwood   (Member)


JNH almost exclusively does "prestige" projects these days and probably doesn't need or want to lower himself to the standard of a Blumhouse-quality film...


Yes, true, no composer would want to be associated with films like *squints* Academy Award Winning, Golden Globe-nominated, BAFTA-nominated, WGA Award Winning, multiple other critics circles and awards nominations and wins, $255 million grosser Get Out.

 
 Posted:   Apr 5, 2018 - 4:21 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Oh MAN do I hope Michael Abels gets more work because of that excellent debut score. I worry because it was ignored by various awards shows unlike other aspects of the film...

Yavar

 
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