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 Posted:   Nov 23, 2018 - 7:55 AM   
 By:   Dr. Nigel Channing   (Member)

Wow. Just wow. This looks incredible, and it will be mine.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2018 - 8:00 AM   
 By:   nz   (Member)

Wow!TWO Must-buys from JW on the same day!DONE!!!Thanks John!

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2018 - 8:33 AM   
 By:   Bond1965   (Member)

"That's nice but what I really wanted was..."

 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2018 - 8:35 AM   
 By:   Bus_Punk   (Member)

Good Lord, what a stupendous release, now the big problem is, how to afford it.

This is going to be expensive (but so worth it) £77 + P&P + customs (heaven knows how much that will be) I suppose it'll be around £130 mark for the set when all is added up.

I might just have to sell my car and start walking, it's either that or start sending out begging letters to everyone I know.

Possibly La La Lands greatest release ever smile


I’m in the same boat (or broomstick?!). I got stung importing the (fabulous) John Williams Dracula CD from Varese, and whilst I am over the moon excited about this release, I need to think very carefully about where to order it from. I just cannot afford the customs and ‘handling’ fees this time around. Are there any UK soundtrack retailers that are likely to stock this?

 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2018 - 8:44 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

I'll probably get it but damn! This boxset is really painful to look at. Its design is all over the place

Go blow smoke up your skirt somewhere else. It’s a handsome set.

 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2018 - 8:53 AM   
 By:   dtw   (Member)

Well, I used to consider myself a Williams completist, but with recent expanded editions I'm starting to get fatigued and become more choosy. Yes, I got the recent ET and the Superman IV and Superman II/III from LLL, and yes I got the Cowboys and Dracula from Varèse, but y'know, I think I'm gonna leave this and the Schindler to those with more dedication and deeper pockets. I've got the original releases, and they weren't silly-short ones, so I'm happy enough.

Very nice stuff though, and I hope everyone who DOES buy them gets lots of enjoyment from them.

 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2018 - 9:36 AM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

Incredible Release! The whole set looks so overwhelming. I can imagine this must have been quite an exhausting undertaking for our Wizard of Sound and Magic: Mike Matessino. Kudos to the LLL team.

 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2018 - 9:38 AM   
 By:   Accidental Genius   (Member)

While I completely get that this set is manufactured in the U.S., its reliance on the U.S.-only title of the first film is definitely a bummer for those of us from everywhere else. I know it's tough for Americans to get because you're so accustomed to the U.S. title of the film--hell, you grew up with it!--but for the rest of us the original title has so many more layers to it, story-wise, and the "sorcerer" moniker is completely pedestrian. Sorcerer? Snooze. Philosopher? Oooooh, hmmmm. The reason it was changed? The American marketers were worried kids in the U.S. wouldn't know what a philosopher was. Result: They certainly took that learning opportunity away from American kids, fulfilling their own prophecy. Silliness. So for non-American Potter fans that name change has over the years caused a whole lot of head-shaking, particular in a series that actually got kids reading again!

Feel free to troll if you will; I won't respond to it. I'm otherwise ridiculously excited about this set and will make my own cover art for the first disc when I transfer it to iTunes.

Over and out.

 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2018 - 9:41 AM   
 By:   Accidental Genius   (Member)

I'll probably get it but damn! This boxset is really painful to look at. Its design is all over the place

Are you looking at the product pics or just that flattened jpeg of the front text of the box? The jpeg doesn't at all capture the majesty of the actual slipcase artwork. Take a look again. And if the materials used are anything like for LOST IN SPACE or THE X-FILES, it's going to look, as someone else on here said, majestic.

 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2018 - 9:54 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

The American marketers were worried kids in the U.S. wouldn't know what a philosopher was.

Actually it's because of UK law that prohibits certain words in titling aimed at children. They had a similar issue with Teenage Mutant HERO Turtles.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2018 - 9:58 AM   
 By:   Martin B.   (Member)

The American marketers were worried kids in the U.S. wouldn't know what a philosopher was.

Actually it's because of UK law that prohibits certain words in titling aimed at children. They had a similar issue with Teenage Mutant HERO Turtles.


Don't you mean US law ?
That's certainly not an explanation that you can find on internet - just that philosopher didn't sound magical enough for US children.

 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2018 - 10:03 AM   
 By:   Mark Langdon   (Member)

I’m a huge fan of Jim Titus’ work (‘Dracula’ and ‘Schindler’s List are stunning!) but I don’t love these either, I wonder if they were restricted as to the the images they could use?

I assume they must have been, because surely... surely they would have used the Drew Struzan art created for the first two films if they could.

 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2018 - 10:03 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

While I completely get that this set is manufactured in the U.S., its reliance on the U.S.-only title of the first film is definitely a bummer for those of us from everywhere else. I know it's tough for Americans to get because you're so accustomed to the U.S. title of the film--hell, you grew up with it!--but for the rest of us the original title has so many more layers to it, story-wise, and the "sorcerer" moniker is completely pedestrian. Sorcerer? Snooze. Philosopher? Oooooh, hmmmm. The reason it was changed? The American marketers were worried kids in the U.S. wouldn't know what a philosopher was. Result: They certainly took that learning opportunity away from American kids, fulfilling their own prophecy. Silliness. So for non-American Potter fans that name change has over the years caused a whole lot of head-shaking, particular in a series that actually got kids reading again!

Feel free to troll if you will; I won't respond to it. I'm otherwise ridiculously excited about this set and will make my own cover art for the first disc when I transfer it to iTunes.

Over and out.


I'm an American and I couldn't agree with you more. Dumbing down kids is the way we swing here in the States.

 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2018 - 10:06 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

The American marketers were worried kids in the U.S. wouldn't know what a philosopher was.

Actually it's because of UK law that prohibits certain words in titling aimed at children. They had a similar issue with Teenage Mutant HERO Turtles.


Don't you mean US law ?
That's certainly not an explanation that you can find on internet - just that philosopher didn't sound magical enough for US children.


US has the First Amendment. There is no such law prohibiting naming conventions.

 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2018 - 10:09 AM   
 By:   Accidental Genius   (Member)

The American marketers were worried kids in the U.S. wouldn't know what a philosopher was.

Actually it's because of UK law that prohibits certain words in titling aimed at children. They had a similar issue with Teenage Mutant HERO Turtles.


The word "philosopher"? Wouldn't "sorcerer" be worse, in that case? You meant U.S. law, I assume? That still makes no sense, to be honest.

 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2018 - 10:13 AM   
 By:   Accidental Genius   (Member)

The American marketers were worried kids in the U.S. wouldn't know what a philosopher was.

Actually it's because of UK law that prohibits certain words in titling aimed at children. They had a similar issue with Teenage Mutant HERO Turtles.


Don't you mean US law ?
That's certainly not an explanation that you can find on internet - just that philosopher didn't sound magical enough for US children.


It's not supposed to sound magical. The rest of the marketing around the book was magical enough. There are very specific story ideas for why it's a stone that belonged to a philosopher.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2018 - 10:18 AM   
 By:   Martin B.   (Member)

The American marketers were worried kids in the U.S. wouldn't know what a philosopher was.

Actually it's because of UK law that prohibits certain words in titling aimed at children. They had a similar issue with Teenage Mutant HERO Turtles.


Don't you mean US law ?
That's certainly not an explanation that you can find on internet - just that philosopher didn't sound magical enough for US children.


It's not supposed to sound magical. The rest of the marketing around the book was magical enough. There are very specific story ideas for why it's a stone that belonged to a philosopher.


Totally agree. Just putting down what the explanation for the title change is on the internet. Sorcerer makes little sense if you actually read the book. Just stupid US marketing.

But regardless I'm sure someone will quickly rustle up a cover with the correct title on it. Doesn't affect the quality of the music or of this set - just a minor niggle in what in all other aspects is a stunning release.

 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2018 - 10:19 AM   
 By:   dtw   (Member)

...plus "Philosopher's Stone" was a pre-existing phrase that actually means something.


BTW - commentary in Drew Struzan's book shows a real bitterness at being dropped; he thoroughly enjoyed doing the first movie's poster, and had worked up several comps for the second. Quote: "As you may suspect, something happened between comp and finish: Warner Bros. got a new head of worldwide marketing. And whenever you get a new guy, he wants to flush everything approved by the prior regime."

 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2018 - 10:32 AM   
 By:   Mark Langdon   (Member)

The American marketers were worried kids in the U.S. wouldn't know what a philosopher was.

Actually it's because of UK law that prohibits certain words in titling aimed at children. They had a similar issue with Teenage Mutant HERO Turtles.


No it isn't. The title of the book as written by J. K. Rowling is Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone. It was Scholastic, the US publisher, who decided to change the name to Sorcerer's Stone over there for the reason given above.

The change of title from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles to Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles in the UK is a completely seperate issue, and was not due to any law regarding not using certain words in titling aimed at children (there is no such law), it was done at the request of the British Broadcasting Corporation (who bought the UK broadcasting rights to the show) as they felt the word Ninja had connotations that were too violent for a kids show. The name was then also changed for marketing the toys and most other merchandise. However, the first film in 1990 was still called Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles here, as were the sequels and the video games. All of the recent TV shows, films, merchandise and toys use the Ninja Turtles title here since at least the 2003 TV series (though the old TV series still gets shown as "Hero Turtles" sometimes just because that's the version that is in distribution here.)

 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2018 - 10:33 AM   
 By:   Mark Langdon   (Member)

BTW - commentary in Drew Struzan's book shows a real bitterness at being dropped; he thoroughly enjoyed doing the first movie's poster, and had worked up several comps for the second. Quote: "As you may suspect, something happened between comp and finish: Warner Bros. got a new head of worldwide marketing. And whenever you get a new guy, he wants to flush everything approved by the prior regime."

Yeah, it was that kind of bull that lead to him going into semi-retirement. Indeed, that particular incident may well have been the straw that broke the camel's back.

 
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