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 Posted:   Aug 18, 2004 - 5:48 PM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

John Barry is my top composer by a mile but I'm afraid I can't be with you. Starcrash the movie is embarrassingly poor. Starcrash the score is not crap. Some of it is OK. But it is bottom drawer Barry in my book. I personally think it's a rushed-together, autopilot, shallow, childish score. His poorest effort apart for the completely abominable Bells.

But I admire you! And I appreciate you supporting Barry.

Thank goodness that Barry duffers are few in number, and that most of his work is good to excellent.

Cheers

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 9, 2004 - 5:52 AM   
 By:   The Lektor   (Member)

Just a quick update to all who sent emails of concern to me.

I have finally STOPPED listening to Barry's STARCRASH score on a daily basis.

I am down to twice a week.

 
 Posted:   Sep 9, 2004 - 12:30 PM   
 By:   DeviantMan   (Member)

This score isn't junk. Barry just took a break from serious drama and psuedo-cartoonish action movies (007).

HOWARD THE DUCK is one of his all-time worst because he never had fun on that project. He just did it and got out, Silvester Levay's eletro-pop stuff suited the film better. Lucas is not a film score buff like Speilberg. If you recall, Speilberg recommended Lucas use Williams. Lucas has never been privy to any composer except to Williams on Star Wars only.

Barry got hired and then left DUCK.

For Starcrash, like I said, fun fluffy stuff for pop icon Caroline Munroe

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2014 - 12:31 AM   
 By:   Tango Urilla   (Member)

I just watched Starcrash.

Oh man, what a slice of cheese this is. It's like, oh, would you like some ham with your cheese? It's so, so bad. It's one of those movies where every actor's lines have been obviously re-recorded and dubbed over the soundtrack and where whole scenes that would ostensibly lend some coherency to the plot appear to be simply missing. It also has David Hasselhoff in heavy mascara, looking rather like a humanized Thundercat, and Caroline Munro, scrumptious, as always. Oh yes, and plastic toy spaceships.

But I gotta say, the most embarrassing thing in all of Starcrash is that Christopher Plummer is actually acting. It's as if somebody forgot to give him the memo: "Dude, you're not supposed to actually be acting in this kind of picture. Check your gravitas at the door. The only one who gets to do gravitas around here and get away with it is the composer."

When I saw this film at my local library with its cool retro cover art and spotted Caroline Munro and David Hasselhoff in the cast list, I decided I wasn't going to look up anything about it online; I was gonna go in cold. So you can imagine how positively shocked I was when Barry's name came up in the opening credits. It's not his greatest score by any stretch of the imagination, and you can clearly see why he maybe wasn't straining to exhaust himself creatively on this one, but it's still far, far better than the film deserves, and there are surprisingly some moments of true musical gravitas, for instance: the death of Marjoe or the suicide run of the floating city. #spoileralert

Perhaps the most interesting thing about the score is the similarities to the yet-to-be-composed Moonraker and Until September. You know, Moonraker may not exactly be in the higher echelon of James Bond films as far as quality's concerned, but when you compare it with Starcrash just the year before, it's actually completely understandable how Barry would be inspired to write his magnificent 007 space opus. I mean, you ever just imagine Barry sitting there, appearing deep in thought with a fist curled before his mouth as he watches the rough cut of a film like Starcrash, and picture what he must be thinking: "You gotta be ****ing kidding me. Oh well, I'll build them a gold-plated flusher for their toilet if they really want me to."

Anyway, with all the talent attached, Starcrash is at least enjoyably really bad. I won't necessarily go out of my way to find this score––at least not immediately––or watch Starcrash again any time in the foreseeable future, but I might seek out more films with Caroline Munro from the same time period. big grin

 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2014 - 12:39 AM   
 By:   WillGoldNewtonBarryGrusin   (Member)

I encountered this film as a ten-year-old and LOVED it because it gave me more space opera and therefore made the wait between more STAR WARS movies tolerable for me.

Also, STAR WARS and JAMES BOND had turned me into a film score fan, and to find out that Mr. 007 Barry had scored this film I was immediately hooked. It was the time when little record shops actually offered soundtrack LPs, and when I asked my father to look for STAR CRASH and he actually got a copy and brought it home I was ecstatic.

Therefore, I will not say a bad word about the film or the score.

Having bought the blu-ray a couple of years ago and re-watched the movie now I must snicker at it constantly. But still, I find it enjoyable, being able to watch it through the eyes of the ten-year-old I was.

The score holds up much better, of course, and the main themes are pretty, pretty good.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2014 - 1:08 AM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

Like Stephen (John Barry is my top composer by a mile ...) I find this score to be less inspired and consider the Main Theme to be one of his poorest compositions. But the score does contain a lot of interesting material and, if anything, the Main Theme is the worst part.

I did see some of the film many years ago during a Saturday morning TV broadcast and I recall seeing the VHS in a shop ... amazed to see Music by John Barry as the main credit on the cover. I haven't been tempted to buy the DVD.

I kept a cassette recording of the LP release for many years and struggled to match the tracks with the Silva CD release (similarly Game of Death) ... this recording ran slightly longer (40"?) than the CD but I suppose that could have been down to a number of factors.

I've never heard John Barry's score to Bells - but I'd like to! - so can't comment.

Mitch

 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2014 - 4:19 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

I posted my original comments ten years ago.

I still say it's one of the poorest scores by John Barry, but I'm enough of a sucker for John Barry's writing style to own the CD and play it from time to time. In other words, as I read my original comments, I'm thinking: I wouldn't be quite that harsh today. It's an unrefined creation for sure and I'm more likely to hide it than play to anyone I'm 'selling' John Barry to, but it does have some Moonraker-esque moments and the bottom line is it does get play time.

I also own the film on Blu-Ray and, again, I still say the film is BAAAAD, but, again, maybe I was too harsh ten years ago. I can watch it and have a good time, it's just I think I have a good time with it for all the wrong reasons.

Cheers

 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2014 - 8:51 AM   
 By:   jackfu   (Member)

Thanks, all! Somehow I had missed this one, but I like it. I'm not too crazy about composer's recycling, but this one has a familiar feel that is good. A little from The Deep, Game Of Death, King Kong, etc., but not bad. I think it's worth $8.99 for a download from Amazon. No such thing as too much Barry!

 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2014 - 8:57 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

Starcrash is rife with some of the greatest moments in film history, none greater than the Emperor Of The Galaxy, majestically commanding "IMPERIAL BATTLESHIP - HALT... THE FLOW OF TIME!" which always moves me to tears.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2014 - 10:12 AM   
 By:   thommy   (Member)

Starcrash, the movie is so cheesy it’s a delight to watch. Not saying it’s a good movie but if you know what you’re getting… that’s what it is and noboby does that better!
I agree that the main theme is not his strongest but still enjoyable ( put in game of death jumble the tracks around and you have a nice hour or so of music. ) The rest is bond in space to me. Hyperspace is my Bond78 track.
I often find that Barry was so good in action material that I love it although Barry himself probably did not. Buffalo hunt comes to mind, im blown away by the film version rewrite but Barry preferred his original take.
I can inmagine that for Barry to compose StarCrash it takes about five minutes with no emotional challenge at all. But I couldn’t come up with it, the flow, the brass, the drive. Its not a deep emotional score, but in terms of fun listening it really works for me.
When im in a hurry I put hyperspace on repeat and in no time im done and ready to go !

And maybe its just me, but if you imagine the Starcrach main title with strings you get the building blocks for Highroad to china.?

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2014 - 1:07 PM   
 By:   thommy   (Member)

I forgot to ask.
does anyone know the tracklisting of the lp vs cd of Starcrash .
The lp had different track names so i couldnt figure it out.

thanks in advance smile

 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2014 - 1:07 PM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

The score isn't one of Barry's best, but it's still Barry. And it has its moments — the “Launch Adrift” cue is a gorgeous piece of music by any estimation.

I caught a good portion of this film on television many, many years ago. I found it very silly, but entertaining.

 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2014 - 1:19 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

I want to remind everyone here that there was a brief window of time (about a year) where Starcrash was on Bluray and Star Wars was not.

That was a majestic time to be alive.

 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2014 - 4:51 PM   
 By:   Sigerson Holmes   (Member)

Before the dark times. Before the Empire.

 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2014 - 11:57 PM   
 By:   Thomas   (Member)

I've always thought the pairing of 'Starcrash' and 'Until September' on that Silva release from years ago very strange. I remember when I first bought it, 'Starcrash' was listened to much the lesser of the two. I can't say it's a bad score, but not a favourite. The less said about the film the better.

 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2014 - 2:02 AM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

Since Tango resurrected this after nearly 9 1/2 years lying neglected, let me just say that when I bought the CD with it and Barry's "Until September" many many years ago, I was never able to get past a few seconds of "Starcrash" -- it seemed like an assault on my ears. But I'm a bit more broadminded these days, so will try to force myself to listen to more of it and see if any of it grows on me!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2014 - 5:55 AM   
 By:   thommy   (Member)

Since Tango resurrected this after nearly 9 1/2 years lying neglected, let me just say that when I bought the CD with it and Barry's "Until September" many many years ago, I was never able to get past a few seconds of "Starcrash" -- it seemed like an assault on my ears. But I'm a bit more broadminded these days, so will try to force myself to listen to more of it and see if any of it grows on me!

Hi Ron,

I hope you'll enjoy it. Perhaps its an idea to start with track 2 of the starcrash score, escape into hyperspace and enjoy the ride from there. I think it's very worthwhile, some great tracks in the score.
I hope you will let as know what you think of Starcrash in 2014.
Happy listening or good luck smile

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2014 - 3:22 PM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)

I caught a good portion of this film on television many, many years ago. I found it very silly, but entertaining.

I'd have thought that was being extremely generous. I tried to watch the trailer and turned it off after about a minute. Of course, anything with Marjoe Gortner in it...

But then there's Christopher Plummer. What on earth was he thinking?

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2014 - 4:34 PM   
 By:   dan the man   (Member)

I saw this film when it opened in New York, MAY 1979, and the audience tore it apart, I didn't think to much of it, but I took the main theme melody with me from BARRY and hummed it all the way home.

 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2014 - 4:16 AM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

But then there's Christopher Plummer. What on earth was he thinking?

“Paycheck + paid trip to Italy.”

 
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