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 Posted:   Jul 12, 2007 - 9:48 PM   
 By:   Morlock1   (Member)

As I said, I've never heard the score nor seen the movie. I was not talking about this movie in particular. I was merely saying that film scores can and do age.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 12, 2007 - 10:50 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

..I was merely saying that film scores can and do age.

And I'm saying that as popular culture continually gets revisited, reinterpreted and recycled, it is highly subjective to say what has and has not "aged." I'm sure there are film scores you think have aged well that others might laugh out loud at.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2007 - 4:00 AM   
 By:   follow me   (Member)



And I'm saying that as popular culture continually gets revisited, reinterpreted and recycled, it is highly subjective to say what has and has not "aged." I'm sure there are film scores you think have aged well that others might laugh out loud at.


That´s exactely what I think, too. Besides, I have a feeling that the art of filmscoring has not really developed any further during the last 15 years or so. That´s rather a stagnating art form today. I mean what should be so NEW and exciting in todays scores (something not present in older scores) that a 15 or even 30 years old score would seem dated or old-fashioned? The really inventive years were the sixties/seventies - now is rather an age of epigones.

 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2007 - 4:20 AM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

The movie as a memory in so much in my past- I'll grant it's dated.

But so much of the LeGrand score works for me as an Indy listen. I do like it. I'm not even an LeGrand enthusiast.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2007 - 8:52 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)



That´s exactely what I think, too. Besides, I have a feeling that the art of filmscoring has not really developed any further during the last 15 years or so. That´s rather a stagnating art form today. I mean what should be so NEW and exciting in todays scores (something not present in older scores) that a 15 or even 30 years old score would seem dated or old-fashioned? The really inventive years were the sixties/seventies - now is rather an age of epigones.


Completely agree with you about 60s and 70s scores. They still have a modern edgy sound. The scores for all these crappy action/adventure scores that are coming out these days sound dated the day they hit the theatre, IMHO...

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2007 - 10:23 AM   
 By:   Morlock1   (Member)



And I'm saying that as popular culture continually gets revisited, reinterpreted and recycled, it is highly subjective to say what has and has not "aged." I'm sure there are film scores you think have aged well that others might laugh out loud at.


I was not pretending to be objective. Of course it's subjective. I am fully aware of the fact that a lot of opinions on film scoring are directly related to the fact that I only became a serious film music fan 5-6 years ago.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2007 - 11:21 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Cheers!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2007 - 12:15 PM   
 By:   follow me   (Member)



Completely agree with you about 60s and 70s scores. They still have a modern edgy sound. The scores for all these crappy action/adventure scores that are coming out these days sound dated the day they hit the theatre, IMHO...


Exactely! That´s what I always think when hearing another one of these "modern" scores!

I would REALLY appreciate it if someone of the "those older scores sound so very much dated" - crowd would EXPLAIN to me PRECISELY what he/she thinks makes a score of the year 2007 so "new, inventive, up-to-date and modern" that it therefore causes older scores to sound "dated".

Cheers! smile

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2007 - 2:53 PM   
 By:   Alex Klein   (Member)

I was just last night watching THE TREASURE OF THE SIERRA MADRE. Great movie, one of my favorites. Steiner's score now seems like quite a bad film score. It doesn't help the film. It is loud, melodramatic, often doesn't fit what's on screen.


Am I the only one who caught this heresy?
I'm now wondering if this really is a film music appreciation message board.
Incredible.

Alex

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2007 - 3:56 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)



Am I the only one who caught this heresy?
I'm now wondering if this really is a film music appreciation message board.
Incredible.

Alex


It IS a film music appreciation board; it's just that none of us appreciate any scores that were composed prior to "Rush Hour 2."

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2007 - 6:12 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)



Am I the only one who caught this heresy?
I'm now wondering if this really is a film music appreciation message board.
Incredible.



It's heresy because he thought it was a bad film score? And note he said NOTHING about the quality of the music itself, just how it fits the film.

-Joshua

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 14, 2007 - 8:08 PM   
 By:   Morlock1   (Member)



It IS a film music appreciation board; it's just that none of us appreciate any scores that were composed prior to "Rush Hour 2."


That's old. I don't have any scores prior to PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN. Or better ones, for that matter. Except for Trevor Rabin, naturally. That man deserves a nobel prize for his music. And that's why I don't like the score to TREASURE OF THE SIERRA MADRE in the film. Because film music SUCKED until recently.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 14, 2007 - 10:20 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)



That's old.


Of course it is! I was taking into account the fact that many of us appreciate older scores such as this one.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 14, 2007 - 10:50 PM   
 By:   Morlock1   (Member)

That's you're rebuttal? Taking a 100% cynical
post and responding to it seriously?

I love 'old' scores (if it's good, it often transcends the time-tag. As was said earlier, so many of those great 60's and 70's score sound remarkably fresh and current today). And I still believe that there are some that are all melodrama, no drama, grossly overscoring certain passages. That is mostly the system and director, obviously. But still, the score for that film does not help it, aside from reminding us that this is an old movie made in ridicules system, when otherwise, it is a terrific yarn as well as a fascinating and timeless character study. Just like there are terrible 80's synth scores that constantly detract from the films by reminding us of the pop culture of the time, instead of the timelessness of good story-telling.
I think that deifying Golden age scores as a rule is just as stupid as demonizing current scores as a rule.

Morlock- who, for the record, has not heard Steiner's score separated from the film, and believes that most important thing for a score to do is -as silly as it may seem- support the film it was written for.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 15, 2007 - 7:52 AM   
 By:   follow me   (Member)

I love 'old' scores (if it's good, it often transcends the time-tag. As was said earlier, so many of those great 60's and 70's score sound remarkably fresh and current today). And I still believe that there are some that are all melodrama, no drama, grossly overscoring certain passages.
Just like there are terrible 80's synth scores that constantly detract from the films by reminding us of the pop culture of the time, instead of the timelessness of good story-telling.
I think that deifying Golden age scores as a rule is just as stupid as demonizing current scores as a rule.


Obviously it makes not much sense to divide into "older scores" and "new scores" then. Besides, until now nobody dared to explain to me PRECISELY what makes today´s scores so much different from older ones. It is much better to distingiush between "good scores" and "bad scores".
There is only one slight problem now: who shall determine which is a "good score" and which one a "bad score". So we finally end up speaking about personal taste again...
I find many of today´s scores "bad ones" because they are basically NOT really much different from older (symphonic) scores but lack inventiveness, colours and melody - a "touch of genius" so to say many scores of the great older composers showed. Where´s a melody like "WINDMILLS OF YOUR MIND" in today´s scores?
As for feeling the film itself may have "aged": well, I found methods like the split screen boring when I first saw the film. I don´t know if this has anything to do with the age of the film (I guess there may well be films produced today that still use such things)- I just NEVER liked this particular effect. I always have thought that "Ocean's Twelve" (2004!) was a VERY BORING film concerning it´s story, style and music...

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 15, 2007 - 7:43 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Oh yes, let's hijack yet another thread with the revolutionary, never-before-discussed old times vs. new times topic! Lord knows we can't go a day without one....

Anyways, there have been several threads on both versions of the film. Here, for example:

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.asp?threadID=34840&forumID=1

and

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.asp?threadID=39644&forumID=1

...and others that are lost.

You'll find my opinions within.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 15, 2007 - 8:35 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Oh yes, let's hijack yet another thread with the revolutionary, never-before-discussed old times vs. new times topic! Lord knows we can't go a day without one....

You'll find my opinions within.


Don't participate if you're not interested.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 15, 2007 - 8:44 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Don't participate if you're not interested.

Don't worry, I won't.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 15, 2007 - 8:47 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Thank you, Ignatius. You do not supply the final word on these discussions, even if the voices in your head tell you otherwise.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2007 - 5:35 AM   
 By:   follow me   (Member)


You'll find my opinions within.


Thank you. But I guess I´m not really that much interested in your opinions.

 
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