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 Posted:   May 4, 2009 - 7:10 PM   
 By:   Jon A. Bell   (Member)

The CD is unusually skimpy for a recent Varese release...was this a case of the score still being recorded after the deadline for CD production?

I doubt it; the film's been finished since December. It's more likely the enormous re-use cost (still billed in 15-minute chunks, if I'm not mistaken.)

 
 Posted:   May 4, 2009 - 9:02 PM   
 By:   Accidental Genius   (Member)

It's more likely the enormous re-use cost (still billed in 15-minute chunks, if I'm not mistaken.)

Doesn't stop the major labels, whose CDs often clock in at 70+ so someone please explain to me why Varese's CDs are more than often really short. They've got less overhead presumably, less of a bottom-line expectation than the major labels, etc. And having had over 10 years' experience in music retail, I know their cost on a CD was always at least $1 to $2 higher than any other North American label.

Not to mention this is frickin' Trek!!! Pay the re-use, charge more for the CD and we'll pay it. Geeeeez. Oh, well, I guess they're okay (much like Speed Racer) with people downloading boots of the complete score. IMO.

Sorry for the Debbie Downer moment, but they really seem to be the biggest offender of this.

 
 Posted:   May 5, 2009 - 1:04 AM   
 By:   mastersofuniverse   (Member)

I've been listening to the score all day, well, 3 times at least, and an enjoying it quite a bit. The main theme isn't as grandiose...or as grand...as Goldsmith's or Horner's, but it is solid and melodic, works quite well and carries the CD along as a listening experience. Good, fun stuff.

The CD is unusually skimpy for a recent Varese release...was this a case of the score still being recorded after the deadline for CD production?


You are right, the CD is quite short, I read that there was a lot of score recorded for the film.
Its a bummer they didn't put all of it on.
I'm pretty sure after I watch the movie, there will be some cues that I will be wanting, which won't be on the CD!

 
 
 Posted:   May 5, 2009 - 10:46 AM   
 By:   scoresofscores   (Member)

It's more likely the enormous re-use cost (still billed in 15-minute chunks, if I'm not mistaken.) Doesn't stop the major labels, whose CDs often clock in at 70+ so someone please explain to me why Varese's CDs are more than often really short. They've got less overhead presumably, less of a bottom-line expectation than the major labels, etc. And having had over 10 years' experience in music retail, I know their cost on a CD was always at least $1 to $2 higher than any other North American label. Not to mention this is frickin' Trek!!! Pay the re-use, charge more for the CD and we'll pay it. Geeeeez. Oh, well, I guess they're okay (much like Speed Racer) with people downloading boots of the complete score. IMO. Sorry for the Debbie Downer moment, but they really seem to be the biggest offender of this.

Maybe people won't pay more. Can't blame Varese seeing that the score is all over the internet.

 
 
 Posted:   May 5, 2009 - 11:32 AM   
 By:   Chris Tilton   (Member)

The "main title" in the film is a reuse of "Enterprising Young Men" which means Giacchino very likely wrote something else for that moment (and it's a moment, not a full-fledged title sequence, which is another thing that's changed since Star Trek - The Motion Picture).

Jeff, have you seen the film yet? There were like 2 or 3 versions recorded for the Late Title Card (TM). I haven't seen the film yet, so I wonder which one they ended up using.

 
 
 Posted:   May 5, 2009 - 11:52 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Mine arrived from HMV.com last Friday.
I've been blasting through it over the weekend and really enjoying it. It's good old fashioned orchestral music, with some really good themes and action moments thrown in.
I like Giacchino's music and I really think he is a big hope for the future. I'm gonna enjoy following his career.
I'm sure Varese will be putting out an Expanded Edition further down the line (call me cynical, but Varese usually throw out an hour plus on their BIG scores, so maybe drip feeding us is a financial decision).
I'm also looking forward to how it all plays out against the film, which I hope to see at the previews on Thursday evening.

Stardust (Ilan Eshkeri)

 
 
 Posted:   May 5, 2009 - 12:22 PM   
 By:   Jostein_H   (Member)

It's been impressing me as well, so far. Love the themes he wrote, really enjoying the action music as well.

Probably the best thing he's done for an Abrams motion picture, along with that amazing Cloverfield suite.

 
 
 Posted:   May 5, 2009 - 12:25 PM   
 By:   Jostein_H   (Member)

Oh and Alexander Courage's theme sounds great, I bet he'd be proud to hear it.

Overall this is probably a better score, Star Trek or otherwise, than Nemesis. It baffles me to hear people say it doesn't sound like "Trek", it's written all over this music.

It's slick, it's fast, but unlike a lot of modern action scores it still retains an emotional core that is completely essential to a star trek score

 
 Posted:   May 5, 2009 - 12:36 PM   
 By:   meegle   (Member)

Just downloaded it from iTunes.

...meh.

Should'a gotten Speed Racer. Perhaps it's one the billion or so scores that just don't hold up on their own.

I think I appreciated how John Williams tried to use Vader's (Empire) theme in the prequels. If I remember right they existed as really slow versions of the ones heard in 1980 and 1983. I mention this because Giacchino had an opportunity (especially with a prequel/relaunch) to present themes established in the 40+ years of Star Trek in a rawer form. But oh well.

I'm sure that the score will serve the visuals.

Pardon my fanboy rant! wink

 
 
 Posted:   May 5, 2009 - 12:56 PM   
 By:   Jostein_H   (Member)

I completely disagree, i think it would have been wrong to use any of the other movie themes, especially Goldsmith's material.

A fresh approach was needed and that's exactly what was delivered. Also you have to give this more listens because it just keeps improving.

 
 Posted:   May 5, 2009 - 12:58 PM   
 By:   meegle   (Member)

I completely disagree, i think it would have been wrong to use any of the other movie themes, especially Goldsmith's material.

A fresh approach was needed and that's exactly what was delivered. Also you have to give this more listens because it just keeps improving.


I was really aiming for the 1966 theme here.

 
 
 Posted:   May 5, 2009 - 2:14 PM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

Picked this up at HMV on my way home and just gave it a spin. My thoughts:

THE GOOD:
1. It's original and doesn't rely from the past except the Courage theme. This is a good thing, and it actually displays something that I've wanted to hear for a while: a major score centred firmly around Giacchino's own style.
2. The new theme is okay (although hardly a Trek classic) and is given some very nice workouts.
3. The action music is pretty good. "Nero Sighted" is quite inventive, orchestrationally. The action music actually reminded me quite a bit of Nemesis.
4. "That New Car Smell" is a wonderful cue!
5. I can see how it might become kind of addictive.

THE BAD:
1. It doesn't have that "grab" factor of the other Trek movie scores. It's okay for US to listen to this over and over but film music is heard by most audiences ONCE and if it doesn't make an impact on its first go round then...
2. The Courage theme just doesn't quite gell, it seems a lot more forced than when it was incorporated by the other composers.
3. The first quarter is WAY too much like LOST to the point of distraction!
4. The end title which takes up a frustrating amount of album time sounds completely scatterbrained to me. It's all over the place.

I'm seeing the movie Thursday so I'll assess it again then, after I can properly assess the tone that Giacchino was going for. As an album... I don't know.

 
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