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 Posted:   Dec 6, 2009 - 4:00 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

I'm a fan of the U.S. Marshals score (not so much the film) and I would love to have an expanded release with the Cemetery Shoot-Out among other cues.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2009 - 4:01 PM   
 By:   ScottDS   (Member)

How does Goldsmith's score to the sequel compare to this?

Three words: Star Trek Nemesis


By the same director as U.S. Marshals, no less. And Executive Decision. Another Goldsmith score I've not heard.


Actually, I think three more appropriate words would be Star Trek: Insurrection. smile

Play this for about 20 seconds:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43-KfAFAx5o

Then play this and skip to 3:50:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02iX82Dm8Ok

The funny thing about Executive Decision, US Marshals, and ST:N is that, not only were all three directed by editor turned director (turned back to editor) Stuart Baird but all three feature a scene with some kind of cabin depressurization.

And Executive Decision's score is pretty good IMHO, one of my guilty pleasures (as is the film itself). An expanded 2-CD edition is near the top of my wishlist.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2009 - 4:06 PM   
 By:   Michael24   (Member)

I'm a fan of the U.S. Marshals score (not so much the film) and I would love to have an expanded release with the Cemetery Shoot-Out among other cues.

Besides that one, my most-wanted cue is the whole action climax with Tommy Lee Jones chasing Wesley Snipes through the ship and then their fight on the net and in the cargo hold. When I first got the CD and saw that wasn't included on the track listing, I was crushed!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2009 - 4:53 PM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

If I hold anything against Marshals it's that Jerry would take the main fanfare from that score and use it with little variation in just about every other score since then.

To be fair, he really only "re-used" it in Star Trek: Insurrection, and even then it wasn't exactly the same. The military figure that crept into his action scores during the late 90's actually goes back as far as Extreme Prejudice (1987).

US Marshalls is an excellent score which is just a little repetative at times. There are some outstanding cues missing from the Varese CD. The film is disappointing.

 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2009 - 7:49 PM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)


Besides that one, my most-wanted cue is the whole action climax with Tommy Lee Jones chasing Wesley Snipes through the ship and then their fight on the net and in the cargo hold. When I first got the CD and saw that wasn't included on the track listing, I was crushed!


Yeah, that was a horrible omission from the Varese CD. There's got to be another half-hour's worth of Goldsmith cues in the film, most a lot more exciting than the low-key suspense tracks he chose for the album.

 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2009 - 12:51 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

...but JNH's music worked wonders in that film, which was clearly superior source material than Jerry had with Marshals, the one where Tommy Lee Jones first shows up in a chicken suit.

A chicken suit people! A chicken suit... But I agree:

James Newton Howard's Fugitive > Jerry Goldsmith's U.S. Marshalls

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2009 - 1:55 AM   
 By:   Marcato   (Member)


Besides that one, my most-wanted cue is the whole action climax with Tommy Lee Jones chasing Wesley Snipes through the ship and then their fight on the net and in the cargo hold. When I first got the CD and saw that wasn't included on the track listing, I was crushed!


Yeah, that was a horrible omission from the Varese CD. There's got to be another half-hour's worth of Goldsmith cues in the film, most a lot more exciting than the low-key suspense tracks he chose for the album.




sound like a clever move - the more people want unreleased music it seems that they are being heard and it will be released expanded


well at least some of the time big grin

 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2009 - 5:17 AM   
 By:   Thomas   (Member)

I hope an expanded Wyatt Earp is not too far behind


Now that could be something! My favorite JNH score by a country mile, and one of the best of the 90s. Although how much more music is there actually left? The original CD release is quite lengthy in itself. Is there much more in the film that isnt on the original release?

 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2009 - 3:51 PM   
 By:   Grozebear   (Member)

Finishing up disc two and all I can say is...Amazing.

Thank you so much La La Land/MV. This was/is a truly wonderful listening experience.

Always exciting to finally hear a complete score to one of my favorite films.

Next up...Innerspace!

 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2009 - 4:58 PM   
 By:   TM   (Member)

Great release! I can't congratulate LaLaLand enough for finally getting the ball rolling/continuing the trend of releasing expanded editions of here-to-for neglected A-list composers like Elfman and Newton Howard. Stellar work on making such amazing music available.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2009 - 6:21 PM   
 By:   rickO   (Member)

So, what did you think?

smile

MV

PS I figured since there was a thread on Innerspace and Panic I should start one The Fugitive (Harrison Ford was feeling left out... much like every year the Oscar noms are announced) wink


Okay, holy wow. I purchased Innerspace because Goldsmith is my all time personal favorite. I ordered Freud from Varese this morning for the same reason.

I did not intend on buying The Fugitive originally, but there was the 5 dollar off deal so I went ahead and did it. I am so happy I did! What a diverse and interesting score. Not one boring moment to be found. I finally hear the Newton Howard/Goldsmith similarity -- I could never pick up on that before.

It sounds like JNH sat down to write a very intricate score, full of well integrated samples and instruments. The tragedy theme is appropriately saddening but not sappy. The "pitter patter" electronica brings to mind danger and urban grit, all balanced nicely with the churning traditional brass and strings.

"No Press" reminds me of his theme for "E.R.", another 90s hit with JNH's name attached to it.

This is truly exciting music -- and La La Land's brings to the table their usual stunning quality.

-Rick O.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2009 - 6:42 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

My copy has the replacement score that was done for the DVD of the TV show.

 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2009 - 6:47 PM   
 By:   spielboy   (Member)


Now that could be something! My favorite JNH score by a country mile, and one of the best of the 90s. Although how much more music is there actually left? The original CD release is quite lengthy in itself. Is there much more in the film that isnt on the original release?


not too much.

there are a few other JNH scores that deserve more the expansion. OUTBREAK would be the first in my list.

 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2009 - 7:45 PM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)

Listened to disc #1 tonight, and WOW, what a release! eek The newly remixed sound is a revelation, and the additional cues really flesh out the listening experience. If only Howard were still writing these gritty, Goldsmith-style action ostinatos, instead of the streamlined, Zimmer-esque action music he's been doing for the last decade. frown Still, awesome release, and I can't wait to listen to disc #2.

But was there a licencing problem with adding pictures of Harrison Ford? Aside from the cover image, there's not one picture of Ford in the booklet.

 
 Posted:   Dec 8, 2009 - 1:50 PM   
 By:   theOzman   (Member)

Well, this is easily one of the best releases of the year! Having an expanded and corrected version of JNH score... well, one can easily hear why it was nominated for an Oscar. Kudos also for the liner notes, which are top notch, are detailed in just the right way, and should surly help set a standard toward how future soundtrack releases should be handled. A point by point analysis of the the tracks is always welcome and Jeff Bond should be given a nice handshake for his thought provoking and thorough dissections.

That's about it. Thanks for a fantastic release, LaLaLa-Land!!!

~ Oz

 
 Posted:   Dec 8, 2009 - 2:01 PM   
 By:   Erik Woods   (Member)

If only Howard were still writing these gritty, Goldsmith-style action ostinatos, instead of the streamlined, Zimmer-esque action music he's been doing for the last decade. frown

Eh? Would you call the following streamlined, Zimmer-esque action music?

The entire finale from The Water Horse
"Tooth And Claw" from King Kong
"The Final Three" from Hidalgo
"Curtis and Owen Battle" from Dreamcatcher
"Jim Saves The Crew" from Treasure Planet
"Just Do It" from Atlantis
Any of the action music from Dinosaur

-Erik-

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 8, 2009 - 2:41 PM   
 By:   Marcato   (Member)

If only Howard were still writing these gritty, Goldsmith-style action ostinatos, instead of the streamlined, Zimmer-esque action music he's been doing for the last decade. frown

Eh? Would you call the following streamlined, Zimmer-esque action music?

The entire finale from The Water Horse
"Tooth And Claw" from King Kong
"The Final Three" from Hidalgo
"Curtis and Owen Battle" from Dreamcatcher
"Jim Saves The Crew" from Treasure Planet
"Just Do It" from Atlantis
Any of the action music from Dinosaur

-Erik-



I think about some of the ATLANTIS music actual sounds like Zimmer - but besides that i cannot think of other scores by JNH that sounds like Zimmer

 
 Posted:   Dec 8, 2009 - 6:25 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

Maybe he's talking about his more recent output (I Am Legend and Defiance were a little Zimmer-heavy in the action music, especially the latter). But I don't know.

 
 Posted:   Dec 8, 2009 - 7:44 PM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)

Yep, I'm thinknig specifically of Howard's post-Batman Begins action music. Long gone are the crisp, brass ostinatos of his 90's work.

 
 Posted:   Dec 8, 2009 - 8:19 PM   
 By:   Erik Woods   (Member)

Maybe he's talking about his more recent output (I Am Legend and Defiance were a little Zimmer-heavy in the action music, especially the latter). But I don't know.

Well, he did say "streamlined, Zimmer-esque action music he's been doing for the last decade."

So, if we are talking post Batman Begins then again point you towards King Kong and The Water Horse.

-Erik-

 
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