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 Posted:   Jul 29, 2010 - 10:17 AM   
 By:   Michael_McMahan   (Member)

I meant it's available for cheap on the secondary market. I sometimes forget that sealed cd's are a priority for some people. I do suppose it would make a poor gift for someone if it was not sealed....

 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2010 - 10:22 AM   
 By:   David Sones (Allardyce)   (Member)

I don't buy the out-of-print reasoning. It's still widely available. There are 21 copies of it on Amazon right now. Even if used, who cares. It's available. I've never been aware of any demand or justification for this particular release aside from desired expansion/remastering. Remastering may be enough of a reason, but I think some of us are just disappointed that the opportunity hasn't been taken to provide some cues that weren't previously included.

 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2010 - 10:37 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

The reasoning is simple: Silva believes they can make more money selling this than they paid to acquire and produce it. Can they? Well, I have no idea what they paid for it. Some big fans of the film or Fiedel will buy this for the remastering. More casual "Terminator" fans who don't own the earlier release or keep track of what is in print or out of print will spot this and buy it. Enough to justify the cost? Silva hopes so.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2010 - 11:42 AM   
 By:   nxbusby   (Member)

Well I dont usually care for negativity either but when you have places like La La Land, Varese and Intrada that are always putting out high quality product, then that by itself creates negativity when someone comes along and doesnt even try. If it aint broke dont fix it. And if its a little rusty around the edges, and you feel compelled to fix it, restore as much as possible. Dont cut corners. Lets face it, the above labels sets the bar very high and when other labels dont even try, it just makes them look even better.

 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2010 - 11:47 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

I see this as an unecessary roadblock.

Only if we assume the remaining material could be located or even exists. Roger Feigelson at Intrada just revealed that they've been sitting on a new release of "Link" in hopes of locating additional material, but have come up empty. I happen to know of several other CDs with the identical situation -- producers got the rights, wanted to expand, but no elements could be found (and typically, the response on this board was contempt).

 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2010 - 11:48 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

when other labels dont even try

I'd just like to know why you believe Silva has not tried here.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2010 - 11:55 AM   
 By:   Michael_McMahan   (Member)

I see this as an unecessary roadblock.

Only if we assume the remaining material could be located or even exists. Roger Feigelson at Intrada just revealed that they've been sitting on a new release of "Link" in hopes of locating additional material, but have come up empty. I happen to know of several other CDs with the identical situation -- producers got the rights, wanted to expand, but no elements could be found (and typically, the response on this board was contempt).


Schiffy, yours is a voice of reason.

However, I'll bet you missing elements were not at play here. This isn't some obscure Cannon production like Link or Red Sonja. We're talking T2 here. But since i'm really operating on assumption, I'll can it.

 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2010 - 11:57 AM   
 By:   David Sones (Allardyce)   (Member)

There's a phrase that gets said a lot in business these days: "Assume positive intent." Regardless of disappointment, people really should try to practice this approach more often. Though I wish T2 was being expanded, I'm certainly not going to assume that Silva doesn't care, didn't try, or is currently plotting the death of my goldfish. Why would I make such wide-ranging, unfounded assumptions? Because it doesn't make any sense to do so.

 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2010 - 12:33 PM   
 By:   DJS   (Member)

I think Chris should go activate the time machine again, find and add the extra tracks at any expense (or stop the production if they can't find the tracks..for the sake of the fans!), then come back to the present, update the track listing appropriately...all will be well.

There is too much extra music from this film they should locate rather than remastering the same tracks the fans have listened to for almost 20 years.

 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2010 - 12:33 PM   
 By:   DJS   (Member)

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2010 - 12:37 PM   
 By:   ahem   (Member)


Surely additional music can't have been too expensive to licence - there's no big orchestra to pay for starters!


Wasn't Shirley Walker involved?

I think the score is perfect within the movie but unlistenable on CD.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2010 - 2:36 PM   
 By:   nxbusby   (Member)

hey I was just saying if its not broke, no need to fix it. Theres no difference between this and Disney/George Lucas releasing their movies over and over, and I sure do remember all the flack they got, especially Lucas received for continuing to release the same stuff over and over with little or nothing new. My other point being...if your going to release something and not make any improvements, maybe release something thats a bit harder to get than T2. You cant tell me theres not plenty of other things out there (even without getting expanded) thats not in need of a new cd release or a first time release. I like the score a lot, but every time a thread pops about this anyway, the score itself never gets very high praise outside of the main theme. All Im saying.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2010 - 4:34 PM   
 By:   Marcato   (Member)


Surely additional music can't have been too expensive to licence - there's no big orchestra to pay for starters!


Wasn't Shirley Walker involved?

I think the score is perfect within the movie but unlistenable on CD.



This is the Score Crew -


Terminator 2

Music composed, performed and produced by Brad Fiedel


Music mixed by Brad Fiedel and Ross Levinson


Supervising music editor: Allan K. Rosen
Asstistant music editor: Dan Garde


Assistant to Brad Fiedel: Ross Levinson


Special thanks to:
James Cameron and Lightstorm Entertainment, Mario Kassar and Carolco Pictures, Gale Anne Hurd, Stephanie Austin, B.J. Rack, Allan K. Rosen, Andrew Brent, Ian Eales, Tim Boyle, Michael Gorfaine, Sam Schwartz and Harry Shannon.




not a big deal - would not cost that much to expand the cd - BUT on the other hand - The fund for finding the missing music vs. the income for this CD that isn't good - yeah the music IS BAD.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2010 - 5:14 PM   
 By:   Marko   (Member)


Wasn't Shirley Walker involved?




She was for True Lies.

 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2010 - 5:36 PM   
 By:   MikeJ   (Member)

Shit.

What a terribly, terribly wasted opportunity.

And now Silva has picked up the rights it's presumably locked from anybody else having a go!

I'm annoyed.


Isn't Silva in your neck of the woods, John?

Have at them!!

big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2010 - 6:03 PM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

Isn't Silva in your neck of the woods, John?

Have at them!!

big grin


Yes it is - and I just might!

I can't believe that neither of Fiedel's Terminator scores - two of the greatest sci-fi scores ever written IMHO - have yet been given truly worthy soundtrack releases.

This would have been a GREAT opportunity to finally include the storm drain chase, or the shopping mall encounter and fight, but no. Hasta la vista score highlights!

 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2010 - 6:09 PM   
 By:   Timothy J. Phlaps   (Member)

I can't believe that neither of Fiedel's Terminator scores - two of the greatest sci-fi scores ever written IMHO - have yet been given truly worthy soundtrack releases.

What's wrong with the "definite edition" of T1?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2010 - 6:10 PM   
 By:   Marcato   (Member)

Isn't Silva in your neck of the woods, John?

Have at them!!

big grin


Yes it is - and I just might!

I can't believe that neither of Fiedel's Terminator scores - two of the greatest sci-fi scores ever written IMHO - have yet been given truly worthy soundtrack releases.

This would have been a GREAT opportunity to finally include the storm drain chase, or the shopping mall encounter and fight, but no. Hasta la vista score highlights!



What about THE DEFITIVE EDITION of T1 ?

 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2010 - 6:40 PM   
 By:   MikeJ   (Member)

I would love to see the Terminator scores get deluxe presentations. I have a feeling that this would be a much larger project than people expect to do properly, which is why it hasn't happened by now.

There are probably tons of alternate takes and the scores would have to be built from the ground up.

I'm just speculating, of course.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2010 - 7:24 PM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

I'll bet you missing elements were not at play here.

And you'd be correct according to my sources.


SILVA has had the rights for awhile and has been looking for the music masters, sadly they could not be located in the CANAL PLUS's archive of elements for the film.

Brad Fiedel was contacted by SILVA and he did not have copies of the complete score either...

Which means that SILVA had a choice, reissue the original album (and remaster it for better sound) or drop the project.

They choose the former since the VARESE release has been out of print for at least five or six years.

Given the film in question, it's a really good idea to have this title in their catalogue.

So that is that.



Ford A. Thaxton

 
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